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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 8, 2017 10:56:24 GMT -5
Sure; sexbots and infiltratorbots are obviously going to need to look totally human. Soldierbots or heavy lifting bots, not so much. Except that because humans relate to other humans better, making even soldiers or heavy lifting replicants, both of who may well have to work alongside real human beings in the same jobs, is totally sensible. A military unit half made up of infantrymen that don't get along with or relate well to the other is never gonna function to the best of its abilities. As I say, it's already established that the Tyrell Corp's big selling point is that its creations are so human-like that they are "more human than human" and, as far as I'm concerned, it's easy to see why very human-like androids would be a good selling point. Another point of a technical nature is that Replicant technology is clearly biology-based; these are not robots, they are synthetic people with improved characteristics. It might just be too difficult to significantly alter the human body to produce highly specialized models. I mean, it's simple enough to select the best alleles leading to the development of very strong muscles, probably even chimpanzee-strong. It is easy to alter a few genes to reduce sensitivity to pain. It is not that hard to make a human body the best a human body can be, which is essentially what Replicants seem to be all about. But adding, say, two other arms to a combat unit? You'd need to find a way to redesign the human skeleton, because those arms have to attach somewhere and find some leverage point if they are to be of any use. That implies getting the lower thoracic vertebrae to adopt a more anterior identity (equivalent to the transition between the neck and thoracic ones) without sacrificing their current identity,...otherwise we may end up with a human with two torsos. That, in turn, would bring about major problems of balance, as the body would be far too top-heavy for our normal hips and legs... and so on. In short, there aren't that many ways to make a functional human body. Regarding the price of models... Surely we see the same thing today? Items based on a common technology can vary wildly in price. The owl from the first movie might have been the iPhone X of replicant pets, while the snake was a CeWaal U9.
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Post by rberman on Nov 8, 2017 14:13:19 GMT -5
Sure; sexbots and infiltratorbots are obviously going to need to look totally human. Soldierbots or heavy lifting bots, not so much. Except that, because humans relate to other humans better, making even soldiers or heavy lifting replicants -- both of who may well have to work alongside real human beings in the same jobs -- as human-like as possible is totally sensible. A military unit half made up of infantrymen that don't get along with or relate well to the other half is never gonna function to the best of its abilities. As I say, it's already established that the Tyrell Corp's big selling point is that its creations are so human-like that they are "more human than human" and, as far as I'm concerned, it's easy to see why very human-like androids would be a good selling point. I could see that going either way. People might be more comfortable with say, K2SO from Rogue One or C3PO. They interact as if they are people but are clearly nonhuman. I could imagine a comfort in that gap. Even K has his little drone that he instructs like a team leader. Soldiers might feel better about leaving disposable replicants to expire on the battlefield, rather than running to save them, if they looked more like Baymax or Number 5 and less like Ryan Gosling. Certainly it would be easier to feel good about denying human rights to androids that don't look human. We're led to believe that Lieutenant Joshi is right that if the line between humans and replicants is blurred, society will fall apart... so why make replicants so similar to humans in the first place? It would be nice to have heard a group of characters debate Joshi's concern at a bar or something, but almost every scene in the movie is just two people talking. The order of non-Joi related events is (SPOILERS!!): 1. K kills Sapper Morton and discovers the buried box. 2. Rachel's bones reveal her pregnancy. Joshi assigns K to find and kill the child. 3. Luv plays K the recording of Deckard and Rachel talking. 4. K sees the date on the tree and, researching DNA of children born that day, find the duplicate record of a boy and a girl. 5. K is shot down in San Diego and rescued by Luv's orbital missiles. 6. K visits the orphanage and finds the horse. 7. K visits Ana at the memory center. 8. K reports that he has finished his assassination assignment, but he flunked his leveling test. 8. K learns about the radiation trace and finds Deckard in Las Vegas. 9. Deckard is captured by Niander and tempted; K is left for dead and brought to the replicant army. 10. K kills Luv, rescues Deckard, and takes Deckard to Ana. It's not clear what the race to Deckard/the child consisted of, since only K had clues. K found Deckard in Las Vegas because the radiation signal from the wooden horse was distinctive. K only knew about the horse because of Ana's memory implanted within him. Similarly, K's memory of the horse is the only path to look up children born on Ana's birthday. So unless others have that memory too, only K or Ana could lead anyone to Deckard through that route. Luv is the one who helped K to learn about Deckard from the memory sphere of the interrogation in the original BR movie. So it's possible that Niander was using K as a stalking horse to locate, get close to, and distract Deckard. This is exactly what happened, whether Niander orchestrated K's interest in Deckard or not. It also seems like there would be easier trails to the replicant army than finding Deckard after 30 years, if he's even alive. If I were Niander, I would somehow (Trojan programming? bribery?) get the Blade Runners to bring each captured replicant by my office for a little chat. (Or get Luv to locate and bring some in. Evidently Luv can murder multiple staff in the police station with impunity, so why not?) Eventually, one of the captured replicants would lead to the replicant army. Evidently, the replicants are roaming the streets of LA as hookers as well, so there are some easy targets for Luv. Time was running out for K since he was going to become a target for flunking his psych exam. (I guess flunking meant both that he would be fired and that he would be retired?) Niander has no deadline that we know of. The main precaution K took was deleting Joi from his apartment. But whatever tech "Mystery Orbital Missile Person" (Luv) was using to track him in the first place was presumably still operational. Did K fake Deckard's death? The black car would be found crashed in the bayou, with dead Luv inside, bullet holes in the interior (K shot on his approach), and no Deckard chained to the seat. "K rescued Deckard" seems like a reasonable guess. And even if Deckard's body was assumed to have been washed away, checking on K's recent movements would lead right to Ana just from the first time K went, let alone the second. (I bet they have security cams everywhere on that site, even though apparently people can just waltz right in the front door and get an audience with a medically fragile genius.) I'm picking on BR2049; most movies don't stand up under this level of scrutiny. The original Blade Runner certainly doesn't (Exactly how many skin jobs are walking the streets, again? How are the Replicants both superhuman and super-short lifespan while being medically indistinguishable from humans except with the Voight-Kampf test?). It's just fun to think about a movie that encourages thinking.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 8, 2017 14:21:36 GMT -5
Concerning Ana's condition...
I can't decide whether I prefer it to be a sham, established by the Replicant army to keep her secluded out of harm's way, or whether it's real and a product of imperfect human/replicant compatibility. Either way works for me.
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Post by rberman on Nov 8, 2017 18:38:15 GMT -5
Concerning Ana's condition... I can't decide whether I prefer it to be a sham, established by the Replicant army to keep her secluded out of harm's way, or whether it's real and a product of imperfect human/replicant compatibility. Either way works for me. Yeah, everybody's motivations are murky, and since a sequel seems unlikely, they will probably stay that way. Are we to understand that when Rachel died, Deckard thought it was best to hide his daughter in an orphanage/slave labor camp? From which she was then rescued by some replicants who posed as adoptive parents but then abandoned her, saying that they were going off-world and that she was too sick to come along? That kind of serial abandonment would mess a kid up, but despite spending her whole adult life in one room, Ana is well-adjusted and has excellent emotional insights that allow her to craft beautiful memories. And what are we to make of her memories being in K's head? We're told that doing that is forbidden. It seems more like she recognizes the memory as hers, rather than that she is the one who put the memory there. Obviously there's some mechanism for extracting real memories from laypeople, since Rachel had the spider memory and piano training belonging to Tyrell's niece. Who put Ana's memory in K, and why? Niander? The cops? The replicant resistance? It seems like someone is playing a long game with K as a pawn, which fits the chess theme of the original BR. Speaking of which, I don't recall seeing chessboards in BR2049, but Gaff's nursing home has a Nine Mens' Morris board visible on a table. That's a pretty specific bit of set dressing that seems purposeful, but I haven't been able to think of a meaning.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 9, 2017 7:34:57 GMT -5
Concerning Ana's condition... I can't decide whether I prefer it to be a sham, established by the Replicant army to keep her secluded out of harm's way, or whether it's real and a product of imperfect human/replicant compatibility. Either way works for me. Yeah, everybody's motivations are murky, and since a sequel seems unlikely, they will probably stay that way. Are we to understand that when Rachel died, Deckard thought it was best to hide his daughter in an orphanage/slave labor camp? From which she was then rescued by some replicants who posed as adoptive parents but then abandoned her, saying that they were going off-world and that she was too sick to come along? That kind of serial abandonment would mess a kid up, but despite spending her whole adult life in one room, Ana is well-adjusted and has excellent emotional insights that allow her to craft beautiful memories. And what are we to make of her memories being in K's head? We're told that doing that is forbidden. It seems more like she recognizes the memory as hers, rather than that she is the one who put the memory there. Obviously there's some mechanism for extracting real memories from laypeople, since Rachel had the spider memory and piano training belonging to Tyrell's niece. Who put Ana's memory in K, and why? Niander? The cops? The replicant resistance? It seems like someone is playing a long game with K as a pawn, which fits the chess theme of the original BR. Speaking of which, I don't recall seeing chessboards in BR2049, but Gaff's nursing home has a Nine Mens' Morris board visible on a table. That's a pretty specific bit of set dressing that seems purposeful, but I haven't been able to think of a meaning. I got the impression that Ana’s relatively harmless transgression of using real memories in her work was a small gesture of defiance against the world. Confined in a bubble as she was, it was probably one of the few opportunities she had of not following strict rules. I also don’t think that K was the only person to have that particular memory. I would assume that many Replicants shared memory packages (as it’s more economical to build fake childhood out of an assortment of individual moments than to build a whole life from scratch each time). But of course, that’s just speculation on my part.
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Post by lobsterjohnson on Jan 19, 2018 14:54:58 GMT -5
I'm going to watch this tonight. I'm pretty excited based on the positive things I've heard about it.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 21, 2018 14:17:15 GMT -5
I saw it at the cinema when it came out, but I got excited some weeks back when I saw it for pre-order on Amazon. I pulled the trigger, but it's not out 'til mid-February, I don't think.
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Post by rberman on Jan 21, 2018 16:20:30 GMT -5
I saw it at the cinema when it came out, but I got excited some weeks back when I saw it for pre-order on Amazon. I pulled the trigger, but it's not out 'til mid-February, I don't think. I received my hard copy from Amazon already.
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Post by Warmonger on Jan 21, 2018 16:52:33 GMT -5
I saw it at the cinema when it came out, but I got excited some weeks back when I saw it for pre-order on Amazon. I pulled the trigger, but it's not out 'til mid-February, I don't think. It’s already out in the U.S. I bought the 4K Blu-Ray and it looks amazing.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 21, 2018 18:54:40 GMT -5
You lucky ducks. It's not released here in the UK until 5th February. So, another two weeks yet.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 22, 2018 17:34:12 GMT -5
I look foward to not seeing it in 3D, which was the only format available at the nearby cinema. It wasn’t Villeneuve’s baby and I found it distracting at times.
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Post by String on Jan 22, 2018 19:33:59 GMT -5
Wow, very impressed with this film. Everything about it, the cinematography, the acting, the music, the mood, all of it stays with you after seeing it. The dynamic between K and Joi was very good and emotional.
I even checked out the three mini-films that served as a bridge from the first film to this sequel: Blade Runner 2202: Blackout, Blade Runner 2036: Nexus Dawn and Blade Runner 2048: Nowhere to Run. They were interesting, the last two providing a little more insight into the characters of Wallace and Morton.
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Post by lobsterjohnson on Jan 22, 2018 20:36:19 GMT -5
I liked it quite a bit too. {Spoiler}{Spoiler: Click to show} I watched it in two parts - the people I was watching with didn't want to sit through the whole thing in one go - so after the first part I'll admit I wasn't too impressed. The reveal of "K is Deckard's son" seemed way too obvious. I was glad to be proven wrong when that turned out to be a red herring. The real answer to the mystery was much cleverer. A little off-topic, but I was very disappointed to read that a planned 1/10 scale model of K's flying car was cancelled. That would have been pretty cool.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 12, 2018 0:34:18 GMT -5
I finally got my DVD of Blade Runner 2049 last week and re-watched it last night. I think I enjoyed it even more the second time round. What a beautiful, moving film it is. Such a great piece of art.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 15, 2018 10:58:25 GMT -5
I liked the opening scene, I like the virtual wife, and I thought everything else was almost laughable (I adore Incendies, Enemy, Arrival...). The geography of this world made no sense to me, so the whole plot advanced very akwardly IMHO, huge disappointment
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