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Post by Farrar on Jan 5, 2017 21:12:42 GMT -5
What's odd is nothing seems an "improvement," just "different." Did he ink the originals as well?Seeing those panels with Jimmy reminded me of how ill-suited Adams' hyper-realistic style was for a couple of those World's Finest stories he did. I agree; not an improvement. And yes, Adams inked the WF panels. The first two originals in the link are from Brave and the Bold #81; GCD credits the story's inking to Giordano and Colletta. The examples look like Colletta to me. |
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Post by MWGallaher on Jan 5, 2017 22:50:16 GMT -5
What's odd is nothing seems an "improvement," just "different." Did he ink the originals as well?Seeing those panels with Jimmy reminded me of how ill-suited Adams' hyper-realistic style was for a couple of those World's Finest stories he did. I agree; not an improvement. And yes, Adams inked the WF panels. The first two originals in the link are from Brave and the Bold #81; GCD credits the story's inking to Giordano and Colletta. The examples look like Colletta to me. The story goes that Adams was so upset to find out that this had been inked by Colletta that he and Giordano gave all the pages a quick inking overhaul to rescue the work. This was the first and last time that Adams was inked by Colletta--he had enough pull to prevent this from happening again. |
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Post by Farrar on Jan 7, 2017 14:23:25 GMT -5
I agree; not an improvement. And yes, Adams inked the WF panels. The first two originals in the link are from Brave and the Bold #81; GCD credits the story's inking to Giordano and Colletta. The examples look like Colletta to me. The story goes that Adams was so upset to find out that this had been inked by Colletta that he and Giordano gave all the pages a quick inking overhaul to rescue the work. This was the first and last time that Adams was inked by Colletta--he had enough pull to prevent this from happening again. Thanks for the info, MW--I've read that somewhere too awhile back, and I should've associated it with the dual inking credit for this issue (I'd wondered if it meant Giordano did touch ups). Speaking of Giordano, I loved his inking of Sekowsky on the mod Wonder Woman issues. The art looked so vivid.  Later on in the run, though, in one issue (#195) I thought the art looked -- not right  Years later, when I got back into comics, I realized this was inked by Wally Wood! |
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Post by Randle-El on Jan 12, 2017 11:52:36 GMT -5
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Post by james on Jan 29, 2017 20:27:47 GMT -5
Neal Adams is probably my favourite inker. I don't know how he does it, but everything he inks instantly becomes more life-like and realistic; it's as if he captures light and shadow with his brush and tells them what to do. Ironically, while he's a great inker and a superb penciller I don't like when he inks his own work. Case in point just about everything he's done recently. |
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Post by james on Jan 29, 2017 20:32:05 GMT -5
Not sure if this should be a new thread but what pencilers need a good inker,or shouldn't ink their own work? For me numero uno is JRJR. Man I loved his art on Iron Man and Spider-Man but have hated his work over last 10 years or so. Then it hit me, Bob Layton inked his Iron Man, and Jim Mooney inked a lot of his Spider-Man. Two great inkers. Am I off base?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 21:32:10 GMT -5
Not sure if this should be a new thread but what pencilers need a good inkker,or shouldn't ink their own work? For me numero uno is JRJR. Man I loved his way Iron Man and Spider-Man but have hated his work over last 10 years or so. Then it hit me, Bob Layton inked his Iron Man, and Jim Mooney inked a lot of his Spider-Man. Two great inkers. Am I off base? Frank Miller. John Byrne. Carmine Infantino.
These 3 were ones I thought of instantly. I felt their pencils look too sketchy when they inked themselves.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 18, 2018 9:48:22 GMT -5
Not sure if this should be a new thread but what pencilers need a good inker,or shouldn't ink their own work? For me numero uno is JRJR. Man I loved his art on Iron Man and Spider-Man but have hated his work over last 10 years or so. Then it hit me, Bob Layton inked his Iron Man, and Jim Mooney inked a lot of his Spider-Man. Two great inkers. Am I off base? JR JR changed his style around the 1990's. It's Almost like 2 different artists the way it looks. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 23:33:09 GMT -5
I will be attending Gem City Comic Con this weekend and two of the guests include Bob Wiacek and P. Craig Russell, two of my favorite inkers, and I hope to be able to talk inking with both of them. To be honest, trying to ink terrifies me at times. I sometimes work so hard to get pencils just right and the idea of destroying them with my poor inking skills is terrifying and intimidating. After watching several of the sketching videos on SyFy and seeing a lot of artists who ink their own stuff keep the pencils loose and do a lot of the finishes in ink, I have been toying with that, and I plan to ask both about how they approach inking their own stuff and others stuff. I've been looking at a lot of their stuff over the past few days as I sift through which books I wanted to bring for them to sign, trying to puzzle out what they bring as opposed ot other inkers that makes me like their work so much.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 23, 2018 5:48:42 GMT -5
All I really know about inking is that Alfredo Alcala makes everyone's art looks better, Gil Kane often does too, and that no one should ink Mignola but Mignola.
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 23, 2018 7:07:44 GMT -5
All I really know about inking is that Alfredo Alcala makes everyone's art looks better, Gil Kane often does too, and that no one should ink Mignola but Mignola. Not sure I understand the Gil Kane reference. To the best of my knowledge, he never inked anyone but himself (and was far from his own best inker). Cei-U! I summon the confusion! |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 23, 2018 8:31:32 GMT -5
Gil Kane started as an inker, didn't he?
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Post by shaxper on Mar 23, 2018 8:40:02 GMT -5
All I really know about inking is that Alfredo Alcala makes everyone's art looks better, Gil Kane often does too, and that no one should ink Mignola but Mignola. Not sure I understand the Gil Kane reference. To the best of my knowledge, he never inked anyone but himself (and was far from his own best inker). Cei-U! I summon the confusion! He did some guest inking on the late Bronze Age Batman titles that was very impressive. That's where I took note. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 9:25:16 GMT -5
Personally, I've think that the Penciller and the Inking should be done by one artist alone and that's should end the suspense of it.
If the Penciller can't do the inking and has to go another artist - that's fine with me.
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 23, 2018 9:35:26 GMT -5
Not sure I understand the Gil Kane reference. To the best of my knowledge, he never inked anyone but himself (and was far from his own best inker). Cei-U! I summon the confusion! He did some guest inking on the late Bronze Age Batman titles that was very impressive. That's where I took note. Can you please list specific issues because I don't recall that at all, nor do my Batman or Detective indexes (complete through the post-Crisis #400 and 566, respectively) back you up. Cei-U! I summon the skepticism! |
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