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Post by Confessor on Feb 16, 2017 5:02:09 GMT -5
^^ I thought there were only those two. Led Zep having clearing ripped off the light & heavy band name concept from Iron Butterfly.
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Post by berkley on Feb 16, 2017 5:06:26 GMT -5
Lyrically, absolutely. Musically, I just don't hear it, but that's probably down to me not being a musician. Same with I'm a Loser: lyrically, yes, if only in the sense of writing something (anything!) other than simple boy-girl love songs, but musically I don't hear the Dylan influence there.
Never thought of that idea of Dylan's "4th" referring to the four Beatles - good one!
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Post by berkley on Feb 16, 2017 5:24:58 GMT -5
^^ I thought there were only those two. Led Zep having clearing ripped off the light & heavy band name concept from Iron Butterfly. Maybe I was misremembering a more hazy idea of simple contrast in general: then Vanilla Fudge would count. Also, in a completely different way, Blue Cheer.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 16, 2017 11:04:12 GMT -5
Yesterday was the 52nd anniversary of the death of Nat King Cole. Originally an accomplished jazz pianist Cole transitioned to one of the most popular and crooners of the 50s and early 60s. He was one of the first black entertainers to host a television variety show. Cole ended the show after a year due to sponsors balking at advertising on a show hosted by a black man.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 16, 2017 11:36:17 GMT -5
Yesterday was the 52nd anniversary of the death of Nat King Cole. Originally an accomplished jazz pianist Cole transitioned to one of the most popular and crooners of the 50s and early 60s. He was one of the first black entertainers to host a television variety show. Cole ended the show after a year due to sponsors balking at advertising on a show hosted by a black man. One of the greatest singers ever. Ever. Nat King Ciole had a voice like velvet and a simply masterful skill at "swinging" the vocals by deliberately singing just slightly behind the beat. I like some of the Nat King Cole Trio's jazzier stuff too, but his later solo recordings are just gorgeous. He simply blows other contemporary crooners like Dean Martin, Andy Williams, Pat Boone, and even Sinatra into the weeds. The only other crooner who comes close to equaling Cole's consummate skill as a singer and interpreter of the Great American Songbook would be Tony Bennett, in my opinion. My fiancee and I are having a Nat King Cole song play during our first dance at our Wedding in the summer.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 17, 2017 6:09:08 GMT -5
50 Years Ago Today-Songs Unstuck In The Time Stream
There were 2 songs on the charts at this point, both somewhat off from their proper temporal position. One was a visitor from the past, the other a harbinger of the future.
The Casinos was a 50's doo-wop group from Cincinnati, never achieving any national radio play. That is until they recorded their version of a John Loudermilk country song first released in 1962 by Don Cherry. Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye seems to be the long delayed last gasp of doo-wop music that was so popular in the late 1950's. It peaked at #6 in March and was in the top 40 for 13 weeks. It was the only hit for The Casinos but the song itself stayed popular, becoming a #1 country hit for Eddie Arnold and a Top 5 country hit for Neal McCoy in 1996
Buffalo Springfield's For What It's Worth in retrospect would have been a commentary on the rise of the counter-culture that reached national prominence with 1967's Summer Of Love. That same summer also saw anti-war and civil rights demonstrations boiling over to new levels. Member Stephen Stills wrote the song in November 1966 and it was a commentary on the police curfew against teens hanging out at the Sunset Strip. The single was released January 1967 and peaked at #6. For What It's Worth became an anthem for 1967 but was really a forewarning.More about Buffalo Springfield when we anniversary their 2nd album release later in 1967.For What It's Worth was the only top 40 hit by Buffalo Springfield. But that hardly mattered for they were one of many groups that became mainstays for the FM rock airwaves. We'll see this repeated quite often as 1967 was a year that began to divide the Rock marketplace between AM and FM oriented performers.
Buffalo Springfield was quite an important group for it's time. Besides the 3 albums they released, it's members went on to later form influential bands. Stephen Stills along with fellow member Neil Young formed Crosby,Stills & Nash with Young soon joining. Richie Furay formed Poco along with member Jim Messina who also had a long partnership known as Loggins and Messina.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 17, 2017 23:16:59 GMT -5
There is so much music on Youtube that's unavailable via retail or the library systems. And some of it could get deleted at any time, gone for who knows how long. And it just occurred to me-Can I download YouTube content but only in mp3 format? I have an mp3 player and I also don't need the video portion taking up memory space on a smart phone. It's just the music I'm interested in So, of course you can google any question on earth and get your answers. There's plenty of apps you can install that will do the trick. I also found this online converterSimplistic to use, took only a minute to convert and download an entire album. The only drawback on album conversion is that it was done as one file, no separation of tracks. I know if I really needed to there are apps that would split the file. So, has anyone else done this and if so, what do you use? Of course, the audio quality all depends on the source material
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 19, 2017 1:20:02 GMT -5
A 1967 Rarity-Bob Seger
Bob Seger, for reasons only known to him, is not happy with the early music he recorded. He therefore has not allowed 6 of his first 7 albums to appear in the CD format. (Actually 3 of those 6 appeared but very briefly). Some of those songs are on greatest hit compilations and some songs have been played on his live albums. Otherwise, you'll have to scour the rare vinyl section to find those LPs.
I don't know why he's displeased. They are good, foot-stompin' rock records and were very popular in the Detroit area. In fact he did have 1 national hit from his first album (1969) when the band was known as The Bob Seger System
But his followup material didn't get played outside of the midwest and he spent years on the road, slowly building up a following and finally achieved breakthrough fame with 1977's Night Moves
But '69's Rambling Gambling Man was not his first recording. In 1967 he released a single on the Cameo-Parkway label under the name Bob Seger and the Last Heard. It was getting lots of airplay in Detroit but right after it's release his record label folded and and therefore there was no marketing support. It therefore just missed the Billboard Top 100 , peaking at #103. The song was Heavy Music and he has since covered it on his live performances.
Here is the rare 1967 single version
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Post by Confessor on Feb 19, 2017 4:37:49 GMT -5
^^ It's a similar problem of digital availability with most of Brewer & Shipley's albums. Only 1969's Weeds and 1970's Tarkio have ever been re-issued on CD or made available from digital vendors. The other five LPs that the duo made between 1968 and 1976 can only be found in the used vinyl bins.
Unlike Bob Seger, I don't think that this is due to the duo's dislike of those albums, I think it's more a case of no enterprising record label having bothered to re-issue them. Now, the two aforementioned albums which have been re-issued are their two biggest sellers, admittedly, but still, plenty of much more obscure stuff has appeared on CD over the years.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 19, 2017 5:12:19 GMT -5
^^ It's a similar problem of digital availability with most of Brewer & Shipley's albums. Only 1969's Weeds and 1970's Tarkio have ever been re-issued on CD or made available from digital vendors. The other five LPs that the duo made between 1968 and 1976 can only be found in the used vinyl bins. Unlike Bob Seger, I don't think that this is due to the duo's dislike of those albums, I think it's more a case of no enterprising record label having bothered to re-issue them. Now, the two aforementioned albums which have been re-issued are their two biggest sellers, admittedly, but still, plenty of much more obscure stuff has appeared on CD over the years. Re Brewer and Shipley I see their debut album, in full, is available on YouTube. Weeds and Tarkio Road are there as well. I already own Tarkio and will download those previous two. Their next 2 albums, Shake Off The Demon and Rural Space are available as separate tracks. Only selected songs from their final 2 albums are currently on YouTube. I used to own Rural Space. For many years it was widely available in the $1.99 album cut-out bins during the 1970's.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 19, 2017 6:36:02 GMT -5
^^ It's a similar problem of digital availability with most of Brewer & Shipley's albums. Only 1969's Weeds and 1970's Tarkio have ever been re-issued on CD or made available from digital vendors. The other five LPs that the duo made between 1968 and 1976 can only be found in the used vinyl bins. Unlike Bob Seger, I don't think that this is due to the duo's dislike of those albums, I think it's more a case of no enterprising record label having bothered to re-issue them. Now, the two aforementioned albums which have been re-issued are their two biggest sellers, admittedly, but still, plenty of much more obscure stuff has appeared on CD over the years. Re Brewer and Shipley I see their debut album, in full, is available on YouTube. Weeds and Tarkio Road are there as well. I already own Tarkio and will download those previous two. Their next 2 albums, Shake Off The Demon and Rural Space are available as separate tracks. Only selected songs from their final 2 albums are currently on YouTube. I used to own Rural Space. For many years it was widely available in the $1.99 album cut-out bins during the 1970's. Yeah, there is a "best of" CD that came out too, which includes some tracks from those other, un-reissued albums, but the albums in their entirety have never been re-released. The lack of digital releases for Shake Off The Demon and Rural Space are especially puzzling, since the former was a reasonably big seller, since it was still riding on the success of Tarkio and "One Toke Over the Line", while Rural Space was, as you say, a cut-out bin favourite for years. Myself, I have a full collection of Brewer & Shipley's '60s and '70s albums on vinyl, so I probably wouldn't buy CDs of their stuff anyway. Nevertheless, it's still puzzling why such a popular counter-culture act of the early '70s should be so woefully under-represented on digital formats. Here's my stash...
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 19, 2017 15:47:56 GMT -5
What Are Your Firsts? Tell this thread about your roots, secret origins, the things that broke your cherry 1-What was the first pop song you remember being a favorite? 2-What was your first favorite radio station? 3-What was the first single/ albums/CD you bought (any of the formats that applies) 4-What was the first concert you attended? For myself, being so old as to remember when Helen Of Troy won that beauty pageant, I wish I had kept a diary since so many recollections are quite murky. But the first song I recall as a favorite when I heard it on the radio was this, from June 1960 As I mentioned before, my first favorite radio station was WABC-AM from New York City 77.0 on the dial and the home of he DJs Cousin Brucie, Dan Ingram and more. It's radio signal was one of the most powerful in the USA and at nights it could be heard throughout most of the east coast My first single I purchased is fuzzy. I can only pin it down to a few contenders. Odds on it was a Beatles single but I couldn't tell you which. But it's easier to remember the earliest non-Beatles single and it either one of these three (or maybe I purchased them together) And yes, Gary Lewis was the son of movie star Jerry LewisMy first album purchased was definitely from the Beatles when I noticed you get more for your money buying those rather than the individual singles. From late 1964 Never bought an album on reel-to-reel tape or 8-track cartridge. Avoided albums on cassettes as well unless they were ridiculously cheap. And strangely enough I have no clue as to my first CD purchase, whether it was a new release or old favorite My first concert is also murky. I know I did not go to any concerts during the 1960's. The first I specifically recall (but sure it wasn't the first I attended) was rather special. It was the summer of 1971 at the original Forest Hills, NY Tennis Stadium. The Who performed there the nights of July 29 and 31- the beginning of their North American tour. The internet tells me these were the songs played: "Love Ain't For Keeping""Pure and Easy" "My Wife" (John Entwistle)
"I Can't Explain" "Substitute" "Bargain" "Behind Blue Eyes" "Won't Get Fooled Again"
"I Don't Even Know Myself" "Baby Don't You Do It" (Holland-Dozier-Holland) "Pinball Wizard" "See Me, Feel Me" "Water" "My Generation" "Magic Bus" "Naked Eye" As you can see, 5 songs (bolded) came from their classic album Who's Next which was not due to be released until 2 weeks later so these were the first time most in the audience had ever heard those songs. I'll never forget the audience's reaction hearing Won't Get Fooled Again. They got the longest ovation of the concert for that number. OK, it's your turn
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 20, 2017 12:25:12 GMT -5
1-What was the first pop song you remember being a favorite?
As I write elsewhere, I was oblivious to the Beatles in February of '64, but when kids in school were singign their songs before class, I realized I'd better saddle up quick or be left in the dust. I didn't have a radio, so I relied on the songs that were played on the bus ride to and from school when the driver let us listen to WABC and we'd all sing along.
But I have measles to thank for my really getting knowledgeable about rock 'n' roll in late April/ early May 1964. My mother brought a radio into my sickroom and tuned it to an easy listening station, which I immediately changed to W-A-Beatle-C. For the next week, I was all alone listening to Cousin Brucie (who played an hour of oldies from 7-8, IIRC), Chuck Leonard and Charlie Greer, etc., etc. I fond my new favorite station on Sunday night WMCA, when 'ABC ran PA programs. I was in heaven even though I was sick. The songs I vividly remember: "Do You Wanna Knowa Secret?" by the Beatles (and all the songs that they had on the charts at the same time); "Ronnie" by the Four Seasons;""World Withot Love" by Bobby Rydell (not the Peter and Gordon version); "Suspicion" by Terry Stafford; "Goin' to the Chapel;" "Just Like Romeo and Juliet; "Needles and Pins; "My Guy;" and many others.
2-What was your first favorite radio station?
WABC and WMCA
3-What was the first single/ albums/CD you bought (any of the formats that applies)
Singles:Didn't have a record palyer till 1967. Remember buying "Light My Fire." May have been the first single. Bought "Vanilla Fudge," their first album. Got Temptations' "Wish It Would Rain" album as a gift in '68.
4-What was the first concert you attended?
It was a 50s rock and roll revival at South Mountain Arena in West Orange, NJ. I think it was 1970 or '71. I remember seeing Chubby Checker, Gary U.S. Bonds, and Shirley and the Shirelles among others. Those 50s revival shows were big then.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 20, 2017 17:45:12 GMT -5
4. First: - Concert my parents took me to in the 80's: Lyle Lovett
My Dad's favorite LL album was "Pontiac". Also, Miranda July is one of the coolest people I have ever met. 😸 - Concert I went to with my friends: The MelvinsI love me some Lyle Lovett. And that's a great song.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 20, 2017 17:54:24 GMT -5
1-What was the first pop song you remember being a favorite?
As best I can say...Roger Miller "Chug-a-lug"
2-What was your first favorite radio station?
I have no idea. I never was a radio fan.
3-What was the first single/ albums/CD you bought (any of the formats that applies)
I don't think I ever bought a single. First album would probably be...I dunno...Let's say Stevie Ray Vaughan "Texas Flood".
4-What was the first concert you attended?
My Dad was involved in the County rodeo when I was a little kid...so I know I saw Buck Owens. And probably a few others. The first I went to on my own was Quiet Riot with Whitesnake opening for them.
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