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Post by shaxper on Mar 13, 2017 19:36:13 GMT -5
IMHO, Atari Force is one of the best space opera comics ever produced, which is funny considering it's video game origins. I actually got the first two mini-comics from the Atari games themselves, even going so far as to nag my mother beyond the point of aggravation to buy Berserk for me so I could get the second comic. She relented as much to shut me up than anything (but to my credit, I didn't just chunk the game to the side afterwards, I played the helluva out of it, fun and frustrating). Sadly, no stores in my local area ever carried the rest of the games that carried the later minis so I never got them. As for this iteration, the characters you all seem to hate is the main reason why I think this is one of the best 80s comics. The interaction between them that Conway develops and explores is interesting and entertaining. Martin's singular obsession with the Dark Destroyer that breaks the remnants of his family (the reasoning behind this obsession is explored later on). Chris may come off as sullen and over-brooding, but his father is literally a Founder of this new society, a Saviour of Earth who abandons him for reasons Chris has never understood (but soon will) so I don't blame him much for the whining here in the beginning. In fact, his foster relationship with Dart after the O'Rourkes adopt him is one of the more touching relationships of the series, a necessary grounding for Chris in showing that he can still be appreciated and part of a loving family. As for Dart, frankly, she's one of the strongest female lead (yes, lead) characters ever, one that many fans have probably never heard of let alone read which is a damn shame. How Morphea's race considers the aspects of family leaves her, an empath, feeling ostracized and she finds a surrogate family in Babe, who was wrongfully taken from their own home and family. Pakrat may seem a stereotype, but he's fleeing the rigid confines of his family's tradition of law enforcement, a tradition personified strongly by his brother Rident. So you see, the major theme, as I see it, of this series is Family. What can tear it apart, what can bring it back together, how it withstands the pressures and failures of it's members. Conway has set up an intriguing mix and blend of characters and relationships that explore this theme against the backdrop of eye-popping sci-fi aided by the awesome gifts and talent of Lopez. Speaking of, Lydia Perez, her memory and fate, plays a major role in this family drama and has a very personal touch for myself as well. It's somewhere around #10-13, I forget which specific issue (time fades all memories) that the...circumstances of her death are more clearly explored. Seeing what really happened to her, how strongly that affected Martin (her 'true' love if you will), the future of their family and directed his future path, for some reason that really resonated with me. In fact, after reading that particular issue, I couldn't sleep that night, kept having nightmares and such. This series is one of the absolute handful of few to ever have such an effect upon me. The Dark Destroyer may be a corny name but he's far from trivial. He's one of the better realized villains within comics and his 'connection' to our heroes is something both frightening and dramatically moving. And I'm glad this series has a finite ending, it's fitting given the nature of the overall conflict and the themes involved. Thus, it is a terrific story complete unto itself, fulfilling and exciting. What more do you want? This all sounds extremely compelling. The problem is, Dart aside, none of what you've described is evident as of the first three issues. I hope I'll see what you see as my reading progresses.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 13, 2017 20:44:13 GMT -5
Atari Force (1984) #4 "Families" writer: Gerry Conway pencils: Ross Andru inks: Jose Garcia Lopez letters: Bob Lappan colors: Tom Ziuko Synopsis: Dart returns home after having lost Blackjak. As she reunites with her family (never mentioning this loss), Chris takes the opportunity to once again feel sorry for himself. Meanwhile, Martin finally finds tentative evidence that there is someone out there causing all the conflict across the universe (but it doesn't make much sense). He returns to New Earth to visit the O-Rourke-Singhs, and tensions between him and Chris abound while Chris mistakes Dart's efforts to cheer him up as being something romantic. Morphea rescues Babe from his slaver and begins to feel like a mother to him, Pakrat talks his way out of being apprehended by his brother aboard the Atari research station, and Martin further confirms his theory with visual proof, accidentally revealing New Earth's location to the mysterious nemesis in the process. Thus, he decides it's time to assemble a new Atari Force. --- So we're finally here, and much of what String discussed in terms of strong characterizations and relationships is beginning to take hold as well. I wonder how much of this is triggered by the return of Ross Andru, who comes back in time to draw his Atari Force, reintroduced into this new series: Kind of leaves you wondering what happened to Dr. Orion, though... Anyway, Andru does far more than provide a nostalgia factor, here. His grand sci-fi visuals are back: and, seeming to take this project more seriously than the mini-comic, he pours on style throughout the rest of the issue as well (even if this proved to be a totally misleading tease of an intro). Helfer explained here that the mini-comic was produced in the Marvel method, with Andru given the freedom to do his own layouts based upon the plot. I wonder if that remains true here, as we suddenly see equal emphasis among the team members (primary attention no longer given to Dart), and a lot more sympathy for these characters surfacing in the visuals as well. Essentially, much as Garcia Lopez' art has been flooring me, he has a clear bias towards Dart, and I wonder if that was getting in the way of my getting to like these other characters. A few examples: Andru gives more panel space to the relationship between Martin and Dr. Morphea, and it really begins to WORK for the first time. I feel an uneasy bond here: It's not coming from Conway's script. It's Andru's pencils and Garcia Lopez's inks bringing it to life. Or even a panel like this one: There's nothing in the dialogue that makes Pakrat any more likable than before, and Garcia Lopez isn't doing anything particularly noteworthy with the inks, but Andru gives him a face (and appropriate panel space) to make this guy endearing for the first time. In contrast, Andru fails to work much magic with this scene: And so, left to Conway's dialogue alone, we're told how Morphea feels towards Babe, but we don't feel it ourselves. Then, finally, you've got exchanges like this one: and here's where a true marriage of art and writing take off. There is SO MUCH happening in these five panels, from the obvious affection Dart feels for Chris, the tension between Chris and Martin, and Chris's confusion about Dart, to the more complex layers revealed earlier and later in this story when you stop to absorb them -- Dart has just lost the man she loves and is burying this beneath an effort to cheer up others. It makes Chris' misunderstanding about her intentions all the more tragic: if only he knew what she was actually going through. And then there's the complexity of Martin, who proves to be every bit as manipulative and deceitful as Chris believes him to be -- the man still singularly obsessed with his mission and coming here under false pretenses in order to further that mission. Conway is beginning to truly layer some of these relationships, and Andru is doing a heck of a job bringing those layers to visual life. And wow, was that one heck of an ending to the issue, both in terms of art and writing: We're FINALLY getting somewhere, both in terms of plot and characterization. Important Details:- 1st appearances of O'Rourke and Singh in volume 2 continuity - Martin confirms his theory about a mysterious villain causing all the chaos in the multiverse and decides to assemble a new Atari Force as a result. Minor Details:- Martin has managed to confirm, after sending out a series of probes across the multiverse (seriously -- what were the chances he was EVER going to find something across an expanse that limitless) that a ship is out there where one shouldn't be and somehow deduces that his theory of an evil agent causing all the wars in the multiverse are confirmed by this. Is this clumsy logic on Conway's part, or are we supposed to see the theory as the work of a wild and desperate imagination? - Roquefort Raider pointed out earlier on that Conway's grasp of a "multiverse" is shaky at best. I didn't struggle with the idea of moving through the multiverse, as I think that's just efficient shorthand for "moving between universes within the multiverse", but the idea that this enigmatic nemesis is causing fighting across Earth Two's universe reveals a real lack of consideration of scale. Could a villain in a single ship really affect change on that scale? Seems like Conway and Martin are really describing events in one or two sectors of one universe within the multiverse. Still not a perfect series by any means, but characterization is becoming a lot more complex and far more endearing, and we're finally getting around to a plot as well. Grade: A-
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 14, 2017 5:25:40 GMT -5
Am I the only person who really liked Blackjak?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 14, 2017 5:38:47 GMT -5
Dr. Orion will show up eventually, shaxper!
If Garcia Lopez can't pencil an issue, Andru is a really good second choice. His sense of design is flawless and he draws characters the way they're supposed to look, particularly the ones who don't wear costumes. (By that I mean that when Andru draws, say, Mary Jane Watson, she looks like Mary Jane Watson. When Todd McFarlane does, she looks like a generic red-headed bombshell).
Christopher will actually grow into a more likeable character over time. Morphea is another one who will grow into her own, particularly as her difference from other members of her species is highlighted.
The one aspect I definitely enjoyed upon re-reading the series was how New Earth is not the eden we might have been expecting. Humans are prone to do the same mistakes over and over, it seems.
The problem of scale you rightfully highlight, something pretty common to many SF comics and films, will show up again. I often think that many writers just have no idea how big things actually are, an opinion comforted by the character profiles found in the early issues! In an upcoming issue, there's a certain bomb that... but that would be telling.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 14, 2017 5:54:35 GMT -5
Am I the only person who really liked Blackjak? Yes
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Post by Confessor on Mar 14, 2017 8:31:41 GMT -5
Am I the only person who really liked Blackjak? No, I liked him too. He wasn't my favourite character in the book -- that would be a joint position held by Dart and Pakrat -- but I thought he was a pretty good character.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 14, 2017 8:34:32 GMT -5
Man, keepin' up with this thread is like trying to keep up with the Super Chief! We're at issue #4 already. I still haven't gotten round to re-reading issue #1 yet!
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Post by shaxper on Mar 14, 2017 9:01:24 GMT -5
Man, keepin' up with this thread is like trying to keep up with the Super Chief! We're at issue #4 already. I still haven't gotten round to re-reading issue #1 yet! I get more done on the weekend. Reviews will definitely slow to a crawl now. And Pakrat? Really?? He must get a lot better in later issues.
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Post by Randle-El on Mar 14, 2017 10:20:17 GMT -5
Thanks for doing a review thread on this series. I've never read it, but have always been interested in it due to it being one of the few examples of Jose Luis Garcia Lopez doing actual sequential work as opposed to the licensing and character reference artwork that he's known for. I've seen him do the single issue of Superman or Batman here and there, but this seems to be one of the only series that he did something approaching an actual run. Good stuff.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 14, 2017 10:24:47 GMT -5
Thanks for doing a review thread on this series. I've never read it, but have always been interested in it due to it being one of the few examples of Jose Luis Garcia Lopez doing actual sequential work as opposed to the licensing and character reference artwork that he's known for. I've seen him do the single issue of Superman or Batman here and there, but this seems to be one of the only series that he did something approaching an actual run. Good stuff. The reason for that is because Garcia-Lopez is and was incredibly slow and couldn't keep up with the deadlines of a regular book. So he tended to concentrate on single stories, covers, and stuff with long lead times. He was also so good at the licensing and character reference artwork and those things paid far better than actual comics that it made sense for him to do them.
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 14, 2017 10:27:48 GMT -5
And Pakrat? Really?? He must get a lot better in later issues. As a kid, I as definitely with Confessor on this one. Pakrat was my favorite character, followed by Blackjak, and then Dart. I just re-read the entire series last night, and my order would be different now, as Dart is far and away the best character in the series. Much as I love some of the other characters, it's really not even close. Blackjak would still be second, though. And I have a soft spot for [character names redacted for spoiler reasons].
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 14, 2017 10:50:36 GMT -5
Thanks for doing a review thread on this series. I've never read it, but have always been interested in it due to it being one of the few examples of Jose Luis Garcia Lopez doing actual sequential work as opposed to the licensing and character reference artwork that he's known for. I've seen him do the single issue of Superman or Batman here and there, but this seems to be one of the only series that he did something approaching an actual run. Good stuff. Did you get a chance to read the Twilight miniseries? Garcia-Lopez positively shines in that one. (And the script by Howard Chaykin has a strong Heinlein vibe, which doesn't hurt at all!)
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Post by Randle-El on Mar 14, 2017 22:29:19 GMT -5
Did you get a chance to read the Twilight miniseries? Garcia-Lopez positively shines in that one. (And the script by Howard Chaykin has a strong Heinlein vibe, which doesn't hurt at all!) Nope, not familiar with that one. First thought that came to my mind when you mentioned it was "JLGL and Howard Chaykin did a comic adaptation of that vampire series???" :-) I'll have to look into it. The reason for that is because Garcia-Lopez is and was incredibly slow and couldn't keep up with the deadlines of a regular book. So he tended to concentrate on single stories, covers, and stuff with long lead times. He was also so good at the licensing and character reference artwork and those things paid far better than actual comics that it made sense for him to do them. That's interesting about the speed part. I always associate inability to keep up with deadlines with the younger generation of artists. In the 80s and 90s when the tightly pencilled, heavily rendered and detailed style of art became fashionable, it seemed to have deleterious effects on the ability of artists to make deadlines and/or stay on a book for an extended run. Was JLGL always a freelancer, or was he ever on staff with DC as an employee? The licensing art that he did seems like the type of thing they would keep you on long-term employment for.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 14, 2017 22:35:24 GMT -5
Did you get a chance to read the Twilight miniseries? Garcia-Lopez positively shines in that one. (And the script by Howard Chaykin has a strong Heinlein vibe, which doesn't hurt at all!) Nope, not familiar with that one. First thought that came to my mind when you mentioned it was "JLGL and Howard Chaykin did a comic adaptation of that vampire series???" :-) I'll have to look into it. The reason for that is because Garcia-Lopez is and was incredibly slow and couldn't keep up with the deadlines of a regular book. So he tended to concentrate on single stories, covers, and stuff with long lead times. He was also so good at the licensing and character reference artwork and those things paid far better than actual comics that it made sense for him to do them. That's interesting about the speed part. I always associate inability to keep up with deadlines with the younger generation of artists. In the 80s and 90s when the tightly pencilled, heavily rendered and detailed style of art became fashionable, it seemed to have deleterious effects on the ability of artists to make deadlines and/or stay on a book for an extended run. Was JLGL always a freelancer, or was he ever on staff with DC as an employee? The licensing art that he did seems like the type of thing they would keep you on long-term employment for. He was exclusive to DC for most of his career. I don't recall if it was staff or contract. But the licensing and art guide work kept him pretty busy.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 15, 2017 6:49:42 GMT -5
Hoping to dig my issues of AF out this evening and start re-reading and commenting. They're in a long box right on the bottom row of my collection (cause the title begins with "A") with four or five rows of boxes piled on top of them. It's like a major logistical operation trying to get to that box -- man, I wish I'd invested in drawer boxes!
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