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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 8, 2017 13:30:38 GMT -5
Wolverine's healing factor is magic. It does whatever the plot demands of it. Heck, back in the '80s, it reconstituted Logan's entire body from a single drop of blood... adamantium and all!!! Whoa! I didn't know that. X-Men annual #11, in case you're interested in all the details. (Nice art by Alan Davis, too!)
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Post by badwolf on May 8, 2017 20:14:44 GMT -5
Whoa! I didn't know that. X-Men annual #11, in case you're interested in all the details. (Nice art by Alan Davis, too!) Yeah but wasn't it aided by the magical crystal, though?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 9, 2017 5:03:36 GMT -5
X-Men annual #11, in case you're interested in all the details. (Nice art by Alan Davis, too!) Yeah but wasn't it aided by the magical crystal, though? Yes, an alien crystal boosted the healing factor. That's how Wolvie grew back in a matter of seconds, with all his memories still intact. I can't fathom how the adamantium got back, though! Ah, the joys of comic-book science! It's an ever-stimulating exercise!
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Post by shaxper on May 9, 2017 9:55:37 GMT -5
As noted previously, The Last Stand continuity seems erased right from the start, as Xavier is alive and in his own body. My No-Prize explanation is that the film starts in "a" continuity, but not the one from The Last Stand. While that's certainly possible, I doubt the writers were thinking anything that complex. This film was originally supposed to be a direct sequel to Last Stand that got heavily revised somewhere along the way in order to primarily feature the First Class cast. I have little doubt there was an explanation offered in the original script that got cut in order to give more screen time and attention to the younger cast. He might have lost his claws. I honestly don't remember. I think my brain is trying to pretend those final twenty minutes didn't happen. Heheh. I meant more that it was weird the government wasn't already aware of the "threat," and less that it was weird they weren't alarmed by it until now. Point taken. But as no focus nor attention was given to showing just how destructive and short-sighted humans could be, it came off as an odd explanation. If Xavier'd added a line about the devastation of narrow vision, I might have bought it. Wow. And yet Viper has a miraculous contraption that just nullifies his healing factor entirely. The script does whatever the hell it pleases, apparently. It definitely would have gained him a more secure seat of power. Yeah, it's a very Marty McFly solution. I assume they have him returning to the exact moment after he went back in time, only now in a corrected timeline. But then that raises the question of what happened to the other Logan who had been inhabiting that body up until the point in which he returns. I originally assumed the reason Stryker got him at the end was to explain how he'd still end up being the same Wolverine in the new timeline, but then we see it's actually Mystique. Point taken. Thoroughly agreed. Dinklage always commands total respect, believability, and suspension of disbelief from the audience. He could play Andre the Giant and I'd never question it.
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Post by shaxper on May 9, 2017 9:58:36 GMT -5
See, for some reason I thought Wolverine returned to "our" present, only with the positive effects of the changes that were made. That would account for the X-Men not looking that different at least. But why would the Logan from 2023 be returned to 2017?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 14:30:17 GMT -5
I agree with thwhtguardian - Wolverine returns to our present, not the original future time he was sent back from. What's that? No sense, you say? Here's how I think it goes - the anchor point, ie "now" as far as the film universe goes, is our now, ie 2017. In DoFP, they're showing a timeline which results, in a few years time, from developments which basically come of age "now" - ie the Sentinels have their basis in Trask's work in the past, but they don't go apeshit and kill everyone until around "now". In the future, Wolverine is sent back into the past to change the timeline, which he does and the changes ripple through into "now", which is where Wolvie comes awake again.
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 9, 2017 19:05:07 GMT -5
I agree with thwhtguardian - Wolverine returns to our present, not the original future time he was sent back from. What's that? No sense, you say? Here's how I think it goes - the anchor point, ie "now" as far as the film universe goes, is our now, ie 2017. In DoFP, they're showing a timeline which results, in a few years time, from developments which basically come of age "now" - ie the Sentinels have their basis in Trask's work in the past, but they don't go apeshit and kill everyone until around "now". In the future, Wolverine is sent back into the past to change the timeline, which he does and the changes ripple through into "now", which is where Wolvie comes awake again. That was my feeling as well, that the things that went wrong came to a head "now" which resulted in that bleak future, so when Wolverine helped to mend that wrong he went back to flashpoint. It isn't incredibly logical but it fits with the time we saw him go back to, that looked like it could have taken place right after an X2 that didn't end with Jean's death rather than years in the future.
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Post by senatortombstone on May 16, 2017 22:27:54 GMT -5
Yeah but wasn't it aided by the magical crystal, though? Yes, an alien crystal boosted the healing factor. That's how Wolvie grew back in a matter of seconds, with all his memories still intact. I can't fathom how the adamantium got back, though! Ah, the joys of comic-book science! It's an ever-stimulating exercise! I have this issue, but have never read it; I shall have to check it out. So Roquefort, which chronology is easier to chronicle, the X-men movie franchise or the Marvel Conan comics?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 17, 2017 4:46:36 GMT -5
Yes, an alien crystal boosted the healing factor. That's how Wolvie grew back in a matter of seconds, with all his memories still intact. I can't fathom how the adamantium got back, though! Ah, the joys of comic-book science! It's an ever-stimulating exercise! I have this issue, but have never read it; I shall have to check it out. So Roquefort, which chronology is easier to chronicle, the X-men movie franchise or the Marvel Conan comics? It's a toss-up. With the X-Men we can blame inconsistencies on alternate realities, and with Conan on inaccurate chroniclers. Those Nemedians were drunk half the time, don't you know!
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Post by shaxper on May 17, 2017 20:45:09 GMT -5
I have this issue, but have never read it; I shall have to check it out. So Roquefort, which chronology is easier to chronicle, the X-men movie franchise or the Marvel Conan comics? It's a toss-up. With the X-Men we can blame inconsistencies on alternate realities, and with Conan on inaccurate chroniclers. Those Nemedians were drunk half the time, don't you know! At least Conan had Roy Thomas -- a true stickler for getting it all right. I'm not sure the X-Men franchise had anyone on-board all that worried about continuity.
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Post by shaxper on May 18, 2017 13:10:13 GMT -5
Deadpool (2016) Directed by Tim Miller Produced by Simon Kinberg, Ryan Reynolds, and Lauren Shuler Donner Written by Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick Budget: $58 million Box office: $783.1 million It's an interesting contrast that, in an age in which comic book characters are grossing more money than ever at the box offices, the majority of kids aren't actually reading comics. As a high school teacher, I regularly see female students wearing classic heroes on their shirts and bags for the geeky cool look, and I'll occasionally see a male student wearing an Avengers or Batman shirt, but, generally speaking, there isn't that much of an interest ...with the exception of Deadpool. Long before any announcement was ever made about this film or before any test footage had been leaked, Deadpool was on more teen shirts than Tap-Out, and virtually any student who ever tried to connect with me over my love of comics inevitably went to Deadpool first. Me? I stopped caring about modern Big Two comics back when Deadpool was still an empty shell of a Spidey rip-off costume in the pages of X-Force, so I had no idea what was going on with the character and (once the film was announced) no interest in seeing him on the screen. Then I heard the soundtrack. Angel of the Morning? Wham!? I was already laughing. So I reluctantly went to see the film, and I definitely wasn't disappointed. It's an odd film and definitely an unexpected success. Stuck in production hell for over a decade, bounced between companies, and finally only made on a shoe-string $58 million budget because there was overwhelming response to leaked test footage, this is a film that beat the odds in even getting made, and yet it proved to be Fox's most profitable Marvel film ever and (I suspect) will have long lasting ramifications for the industry as a whole. The approach this film takes is what makes it special. It isn't trying to fit the mold. Fox has always struggled with how to do superheroes, often playing it too conservatively real-life, sometimes going too far in the opposite direction, and generally seeming fearful of the genre. Deadpool, in contrast, doesn't even try. It marches to its own tune much like the character, and finds success in offering what the Marvel films won't, instead of attempting to replicate what they do. I firmly believe it's why Logan (also an R rated film) got made and was given the leeway it was given. Whether or not the X-Men film franchise ever finds firm ground again, I've no doubt Fox will continue to find success with these offbeat un-Marvel comic films. As for how this ties into the X-Men franchise, there's a definite temptation to say it doesn't. Simon Kinberg and Lauren Shuler Donner aside (and, from all accounts I read, they were neither particularly involved in this film nor betting on its success), no one involved in the making of Deadpool was involved in the making of any of the X-films. It feels very much like its own entity. And yet we're given Colossus and Negatonic Teenage Warhead (WHO??? I'd never heard of this character before), shown the X-mansion twice (although it actually looked like two different X-mansions???) and repeatedly hear Colossus inviting Deadpool to join the X-Men. It's forced, it's shameless, and it will be out of continuity in no time, but that does firmly establish Deadpool as being within the X-Men Universe, though as Mr. Pool says while being dragged away by Colossus in the beginning: "McAvoy or Stewart? These timelines get so confusing." That's definitely the weirdest part about having a film that shows the X-Mansion but never shows any X-Men. While Deadpool quips that it's because they couldn't afford to hire any, the larger question in my head while watching this film was "Who the hell lives in that mansion?" After all, we have the old X-Men film continuity at least partially wiped away at this point, and the new X-Men continuity still stuck in the 1970s. We had (and have) no idea what the present day X-men of the revised timeline actually looks like. That made this tie-in exceptionally awkward from my standpoint. In terms of the story itself, it's laugh-out-loud brilliant and also packs more heart and substance than any Marvel film (with the possible exception of Guardians of the Galaxy), and yet it has its share of problems. After the first scene is over (which, to be fair, takes nearly half of the film as we jump back and forth between flashbacks and fourth wall breaks), I'm not all that invested in the plot. Francis makes for an extremely generic villain, and nothing about the minor obstacles Deadpool faces in pursuing him are all that interesting. The climactic battle (once AGAIN sacrificing everything else to give attention to a unique setting -- is it Shuler Donner inflicting this upon all of these films?) holds no particular excitement beyond our wondering how Deadpool will explain all of this to his girlfriend. And his girlfriend -- the emotional core of this film -- actually really annoys me. It's the worst kind of playing to fanboys. Here's this super hot stripper everyone wants who will go home to only you and love you no matter what happens to your health or your appearance, having no other particular interests, relationships, nor convictions in her life, your entire relationship made up of wild sex and her keeping up with your pop culture references. Geez. If that's what love is, we're all screwed. And please...I just have to put it out there -- how does throwing her from the top of the aircraft carrier somehow get her to the ground more safely than falling off of the aircraft carrier on her own? I need a little help with this climactic moment in the film. ...and, like, couldn't he have just gone to a plastic surgeon instead of pinning all his hopes on Francis? Or gotten help via some crazy far out X-Men technology? So it had flaws, but it was charming, it was different, it had heart, and it opened up a whole new path forward for Fox. Continuity Issues: Well this clearly isn't the same Deadpool from X-Men Origins: Wolverine, even going so far as to show the Deadpool action figure from that film while he monologues about worst wrong turns in your life. Besides, that Deadpool was at least two decades older than this one, fighting on Team X in the 1970s. Still, much as I hated what they did with the character in the second half of XO:W, I enjoyed Wade Wilson's wise cracks there nearly as much as I did here. Adaptation Issues: I have never read a comic starring a post-Liefeld Deadpool, and I know even less about Negasonic Teenage Warhead. Grade: A-
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Post by Cei-U! on May 18, 2017 15:15:54 GMT -5
Deadpool may be my favorite X-film, if only for its opening credits. I've never read a Deadpool comic and I doubt I ever will, but this movie entertained the bejeezus out of me.
Cei-U! I summon the belly laughs!
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Post by shaxper on May 18, 2017 15:49:06 GMT -5
Deadpool may be my favorite X-film, if only for its opening credits. I've never read a Deadpool comic and I doubt I ever will, but this movie entertained the bejeezus out of me. Cei-U! I summon the belly laughs! The opening credits were definitely the film's finest moment, and it sustained that level of awesomeness for at least the first half. Then they tried to introduce a plot, and that worked, but not as well.
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Post by badwolf on May 19, 2017 9:28:56 GMT -5
Obviously this isn't true from the comments above, but my impression after watching the film was that Deadpool is a superhero for people who hate superheroes. I don't mind a little poking fun at the genre, but everything about Deadpool seemed mean-spirited and cynical to me.
I'm not saying I didn't laugh at all -- Stan's cameo was gold -- but mostly it was unpleasant.
BTW, Negasonic Teenage Warhead was from Grant Morrison's X-Men stint. She briefly appeared before dying and was later revived as a mental projection by Joss Whedon in Astonishing. I'm not sure we ever found out what her powers actually were, but the movie version seems to share nothing more than the name.
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Post by shaxper on May 19, 2017 9:38:43 GMT -5
Obviously this isn't true from the comments above, but my impression after watching the film was that Deadpool is a superhero for people who hate superheroes. I don't mind a little poking fun at the genre, but everything about Deadpool seemed mean-spirited and cynical to me. Cynical, yes. I'm not as sure about mean-spirited. One of the fun things about Deadpool is that he can be so cynical in his observational humor and still champion Wham! as great music. Actually, that was the one part that did make me a little uncomfortable. I know Stan had no trouble photographing himself nude with a comic book back in the day, but he's taken on a more saintly grandfather image in the mainstream pop culture. Having him spin at a strip club seemed....wrong. And I just learned that the name was taken from a song:
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