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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 20, 2017 23:40:28 GMT -5
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Post by shaxper on Mar 21, 2017 7:12:16 GMT -5
Ooh, I hope you guys get into Marada The She Wolf! Looking forward to listening...
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 21, 2017 9:21:37 GMT -5
Ooh, I hope you guys get into Marada The She Wolf! Looking forward to listening... We get into it a little in the second episode, though not in much detail to be honest. |
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Post by shaxper on Mar 21, 2017 9:23:15 GMT -5
Ooh, I hope you guys get into Marada The She Wolf! Looking forward to listening... We get into it a little in the second episode, though not in much detail to be honest. Well there isn't much to say beyond what it was originally intended to be. I just find that fascinating. Glad you went there. |
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Post by shaxper on Mar 21, 2017 12:35:43 GMT -5
Holy geez, I love Ben's accent! Always strange to see someone as fluent in English as I am sounding so brilliantly exotic. 4:08 -- I love that we're still talking about Life with Archie! And I do agree with Ben's point about Ms. Grundy's health not being dependent upon Archie's love life. 5:13 -- "shaxper's a good influence"  Dear God, I've been doing it all wrong. 5:23 -- I'm naming my desert island "The Classic Comics Forum" and inviting you both along. 6:47 -- Yeeeeees! 7:41 -- Yep. That's Grant Morrison in a nutshell. 9:45 -- X-Factor as an experiment in character assassination. Fascinating. Cyclops as the everyman of the team. That helps to explain why I struggled with Jim Lee giving him a hulking physical prowess in the '90s. 11:34 -- Wait...who called Jim Lee's era "The Golden Age"? 14:20 -- Great discussion on diversity and inclusion. 14:30 -- Ben just detoured into discussing an episode of Deep Space 9. This is the best podcast ever. 22:58 -- An icon of the feminist ideal soon relegated to male eye candy by Esteban Maroto. 24:15 -- I could never stand Maroto because all he was ever interested in drawing was T&A. Ruined many a good story that way. 32:00 -- I'm so into everything you're saying about the treatment of female characters in comics. Wow. And yes, rape can be a powerful topic worthy of expression in art, but it can also be a means of devaluing a female character's worth. (pausing at 39 minutes in) |
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 21, 2017 12:59:23 GMT -5
Oh, your post reminded me in a roundabout way to post these supplements, which we discuss towards the end of this first episode.
The "Sonja & The Wizard" show starring Frank Thorne and Wendy Pini, from 1978:
And Wedny Pini's appearance as Red Sonja on the Mike Douglas Show in 1977. I've timed it just to show her brief bit, but the whole segment is an interesting historical curiosity:
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 21, 2017 15:15:55 GMT -5
11:34 -- Wait...who called Jim Lee's era "The Golden Age"? That was a Marvel promotional campaign at the time, with buttons and stuff... It coincided with the launch of the new X-Men #1, and the taking over of Uncanny by John Byrne and Whilce Portacio. I don' think I'd call it a golden age myself... although I had really enjoyed Lee's pencils at first, especially after the so-so end of the Silvestri era and the fill-in artists who followed, I found it to become too flashy and self-referential in Adjectiveless X-Men. Plus the scripts were not up to par (and degenerated when Chris left the book). A company calling an era a golden age is like it calling an issue a collector's item, right?  *Edit* After several weeks, my neurons started working again... That promotional campaign was called "Glory Days", not "Golden Age". My apologies. |
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Post by Confessor on Mar 22, 2017 4:32:29 GMT -5
Great stuff! I cait to hear Roquefort Raider's dulcet tones -- if he doesn't sound even a little bit like Batroc ze Leaper, I'm going to be awfully disappointed.  |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 22, 2017 5:38:23 GMT -5
Great stuff! I cait to hear Roquefort Raider 's dulcet tones -- if he doesn't sound even a little bit like Batroc ze Leaper, I'm going to be awfully disappointed. I der say zayre eez leetle chence ov zat, my friend! |
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Post by shaxper on Mar 22, 2017 10:24:57 GMT -5
40:30 -- Chicken and the egg. How much did Frank Thorne's cosplay show encourage these women to become comic creators, and how much did their passion for comics that would subsequently lead to them becoming creators also lead them to participate in the shows?
43:00 -- I did not know Red Sonja and Belit actually met!
45:30 -- What does Ben mean about the three legged goat and unicorn better fitting Sonja than Conan? I'm intrigued.
50:00 -- Drop the mic. Ben just proved the Red Sonja franchise is broken beyond redemption.
52:00 -- Geez. Did Marvel ever tell Roy anything?
52:30 -- I think we need a full podcast episode on Shooter himself.
Can't wait for part two!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 22, 2017 11:48:25 GMT -5
45:30 -- What does Ben mean about the three legged goat and unicorn better fitting Sonja than Conan? I'm intrigued. I view the Sonja stories, especially the ones drawn by Thorne, as more fanciful and magical than the Conan ones; closer to pure fantasy than to the quasi-historical vision of Robert Howard. Thorne's style definitely influences my perception. The goat is from SSoC #23... Sonja actually meets a three-legged talking goat! And unlike the flying horses that J.M. DeMatteis introduced in an issue of Conan, I didn't find the beast out of place at all. |
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Post by The Captain on Mar 23, 2017 17:44:26 GMT -5
I really liked this episode, because it is the first one where I am familiar with the title/character/issues being discussed. A couple of years back I picked up the entire Marvel Feature/Red Sonja run, but I wasn't impressed with it after reading it. You guys really hit on a lot of the elements of the book that I didn't like.
And I had to laugh at the comment about how Red Sonja was drawn like a blow-up sex doll. When I read it the first time, there was something off-putting about how she was depicted, but I could never pin down what it was until I heard this mentioned. As I think about it, her lips were always pouty and frozen in that perpetual "duckface" that sex dolls have, and now someone else has confirmed it.
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Post by MDG on Mar 27, 2017 5:40:18 GMT -5
Listened this weekend and enjoyed it very much, even though I don't think I've ever read a Red Sonja story--only read a handful of Conans. Had to laugh, though, at the very comic-book-fan attitude of saying at the top of an exhaustive examination of the character that her first two appearances were the best and it was downhill after that. You're right about the Kubert look to some of Thorne's art; I have a Tomahawk (or maybe Son of Tomahawk) page by him that looks very much like Kubert, especially the inking technique. My favorite Thorne work is Danger Rangerette.  |
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 28, 2017 15:12:37 GMT -5
Just have to add my praise to all of the above. The two episodes I've heard have been great: professional-sounding, non-geeky and fun and informative at the same time. Excellent insights by you, Crimebuster , you shaxper and vous, Roquefort Raider !* I've never been an Archie aficionado, so the back-and-forth between Shax and Scott was very interesting. So was the prelude Shax gave about the CBR exodus, et. al. As for Sonja, what a great, incredibly informed conversation about a series that is probably forgotten or overlooked by most fans. I loved the comment about the difference between the slickness of the covers and Thorne's superb interior art. He was clearly in the Kubert vein, as you both pointed out, and as proved by Thorne's work on Tomahawk, another unrecognized great run, IYAM. And, yeah, the "blow-up doll" description nailed what I never could quite put into words about those Sonja eyes and lips. I howled at that one. Well done. And kudos to both of you for your comments about the traditional treatment of female characetrs in comics. Bravo! I'm working backwards, I guess, so I'm really looking forward to the Crimebuster episodes, Crimebuster! (If that doesn't sound too timey-wimey.) You've set the bar very high, gentlemen. Plus it's great to attach voices to the "faces" we see on the boards! Thank you, Scott, Shax and RR! *I also have to say how gobsmacked I was by listening to RR's commentary in English. I am in awe of the bilingual. It pains me whenever I hear Americans so obstinate about making English. You are as articulate in spoken English as you are in written. I love the "pardon the pun" you tossed in at one point. I am lucky if I can tell you "My pencil... is on... the table" in French. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 20:52:28 GMT -5
Still slowly catching up and just got to the Red Sonja episodes tonight. Great job guys. RR's accent reminded me of so many of my great uncles who had emigrated from Quebec to New England, it was like travelling through a time tunnel, but I can guarantee none of them ever talked about comic books. Very well done, articulate conversation and solid production values.
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