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Post by tingramretro on Mar 23, 2017 16:17:40 GMT -5
I sometimes think I'm the only person around here who still enjoys modern comics.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 23, 2017 16:21:29 GMT -5
I sometimes think I'm the only person around here who still enjoys modern comics. I read far more modern comics than I do old comics. It's just that almost none of them are superhero comics. |
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Post by berkley on Mar 23, 2017 16:31:04 GMT -5
I'd turn the question around and say it's only a small minority of comics that contain what I consider the definitive version of any given character. Most of them have been around so long and written by so many different people, there isn't any real continuity at this point, if there ever was.
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Post by zilch on Mar 23, 2017 19:53:47 GMT -5
Pretty much everything post-Crisis at DC and post-Secret Wars at Marvel. My take on DC Post-Crisis is they are two different universes, both enjoyable on their own terms. This, however, ends at Flashpoint. Marvel, on the other hand, stops at Secret Wars. With the exception of Hickman's magnum opus on FF, little about the current MU has me reading (except for maybe Ms. Marvel and Champions... two bright spots) |
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Post by chadwilliam on Mar 23, 2017 20:54:51 GMT -5
I can't help but wince whenever a story tries to convince me that the Earth 2 Superman or Earth 2 Batman are supposed to be the same guys introduced in Action 1 and Detective 27 respectively. Really? The same squinty eyed guy who wrapped machine guns around a bunch of bad guys necks seconds before chucking them one by one out a window is doomed to become the slipper wearing, newspaper reading guy living a mundane, squeaky clean life in the pages of Superman Family? Should Batman's tombstone really read 'Killed by some guy named Jensen or something like that to get the All-Star Super Squad off their asses'?
It also doesn't help that in recent years, the Earth 2 Superman became a character to trot out every time DC wanted to take a swipe at the Siegel family. "You're claiming that the Superman from Action 1 should belong to you? Well here he is, going crazy in Infinite Crisis wanting to destroy the universe and being beaten to death by a little kid - Enjoy!" |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 23, 2017 21:01:58 GMT -5
Definitely the Crossing, and the 'Teen Tony' era of Iron Man. While I haven't read it, I suspect the 'Cap was always a Hydra Agent' will be tooWhy? If you had read it, you'd know that there is a sound premise behind it which neither contradicts nor invalidates any previos Cap story, and that it's obviously intended to be an arc with a very definite end point. It's seldom a good idea to make judgements based on incomplete information. That's why I said 'I suspect' It's a terrible idea that I have no interest in support with my purchasing dollars... I'll probably read it out of morbid curiousity at some point. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 23, 2017 21:08:58 GMT -5
It doesn't matter how much retconning they do to make it fit. It destroys the soul of the character. No, it doesn't. That's rather the point. Because they haven't actually retconned anything. There's no possible way Cap can be a lifetime Hydra agent and it not be a retcon. That just doesn't make sense. Just like it didn't make sense when they decided Tony Stark had been working for Kang for 20 years.. it's just a set up for a story and will likely be soon forgotten. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 23, 2017 21:10:50 GMT -5
I sometimes think I'm the only person around here who still enjoys modern comics. I've been increasingly frustrated and displeased with Marvel over the last 10 years or so. There's plenty of modern comics I do like, but few of them are Marvel... really Ms. Marvel and Champions are the only ones I get based on the story and not a combination of Nostaligia and hope that at some point they'll do their great characters justice again. |
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Post by berkley on Mar 23, 2017 21:25:37 GMT -5
For modern comics, I don't consider continuity to be a factor. Clearly writers use it willy-nilly, according to their story's requirement. I wonder why they even bother to explain why a hero or a villain isn't dead anymore (although in Echo's case, I don't think they even did). This actually gives me a bit of hope, because I think it leaves open the possibility that a new writer could ignore the stuff I don't care for and go back to build on the stuff I do like. The current group-think at the Big-2 makes it extremely improbable that anything of the sort will happen, but I like to think that if someday writer with enough clout came to Marvel's editorial board or whoever decides these things and said, "I have a great idea for an Eternals series that builds on the original concept. Only problem is, that means it isn't going to be part of the MU. But I really want to do it and I think you'll be impressed once you see what I've come up with." - they might give the go-ahead. After all, isn't that more or less what happened with that Omega the Unknown miniseries by Jonathan Lethem from a few years ago? In that case, I was against it because I thought they should have given Gerber and Skrenes the opportunity to finish their story before passing it on to someone else, but the situation would be different with the Eternals since Kirby isn't around any more. Not that I know of any writer who has shown any appreciation for or interest in the Eternals, but you never know, there could be someone one of these days. Same with the New Gods at DC, or all kinds of other things. |
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 24, 2017 3:02:42 GMT -5
No, it doesn't. That's rather the point. Because they haven't actually retconned anything. There's no possible way Cap can be a lifetime Hydra agent and it not be a retcon. That just doesn't make sense. Just like it didn't make sense when they decided Tony Stark had been working for Kang for 20 years.. it's just a set up for a story and will likely be soon forgotten. And you are continuing to prove my point for me. This is what I meant about judging based on no information. Because this is not not what the story is saying. Marvel are not actually claiming that Cap was a lifetime Hydra agent-until a few months ago, when his personal history was rewritten by a villain using a Cosmic Cube, something which the characters are unaware of but which the readers have known since day one because we basically saw it happen. There is no retcon, all past stories are still pefectly valid from our POV, nobody is trying to tell the readership "Cap was actualy this all along", and it's fairly obvious it's a storyline with a definite ending in mind. But a horde of outraged readers who haven't actually read the book in years have picked up on a headline and decided "Marvel have retconned Cap! The bastards!" Despite the fact that, unlike DC, Marvel actually aren't known for doing that kind of thing. I was actually trying to avoid spoilering the story, but since it appears I'm the only one reading and enjoying it anyway, what the hell... |
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 24, 2017 3:04:43 GMT -5
I can't help but wince whenever a story tries to convince me that the Earth 2 Superman or Earth 2 Batman are supposed to be the same guys introduced in Action 1 and Detective 27 respectively. Really? The same squinty eyed guy who wrapped machine guns around a bunch of bad guys necks seconds before chucking them one by one out a window is doomed to become the slipper wearing, newspaper reading guy living a mundane, squeaky clean life in the pages of Superman Family? Should Batman's tombstone really read 'Killed by some guy named Jensen or something like that to get the All-Star Super Squad off their asses'?
It also doesn't help that in recent years, the Earth 2 Superman became a character to trot out every time DC wanted to take a swipe at the Siegel family. "You're claiming that the Superman from Action 1 should belong to you? Well here he is, going crazy in Infinite Crisis wanting to destroy the universe and being beaten to death by a little kid - Enjoy!" He didn't go crazy or want to destroy the universe. |
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 24, 2017 9:22:35 GMT -5
I sometimes think I'm the only person around here who still enjoys modern comics. I read many modern comics, mainly from Image and Dark Horse. i just don't read Marvel and DC any more. |
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 24, 2017 9:23:58 GMT -5
There's no possible way Cap can be a lifetime Hydra agent and it not be a retcon. That just doesn't make sense. Just like it didn't make sense when they decided Tony Stark had been working for Kang for 20 years.. it's just a set up for a story and will likely be soon forgotten. And you are continuing to prove my point for me. This is what I meant about judging based on no information. Because this is not not what the story is saying. Marvel are not actually claiming that Cap was a lifetime Hydra agent-until a few months ago, when his personal history was rewritten by a villain using a Cosmic Cube, something which the characters are unaware of but which the readers have known since day one because we basically saw it happen. There is no retcon, all past stories are still pefectly valid from our POV, nobody is trying to tell the readership "Cap was actualy this all along", and it's fairly obvious it's a storyline with a definite ending in mind. But a horde of outraged readers who haven't actually read the book in years have picked up on a headline and decided "Marvel have retconned Cap! The bastards!" Despite the fact that, unlike DC, Marvel actually aren't known for doing that kind of thing. I was actually trying to avoid spoilering the story, but since it appears I'm the only one reading and enjoying it anyway, what the hell... So he was Comic Cubed into a Hydra Agent? Okay, still glad I don't read Marvel anymore.  |
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 24, 2017 9:44:38 GMT -5
And you are continuing to prove my point for me. This is what I meant about judging based on no information. Because this is not not what the story is saying. Marvel are not actually claiming that Cap was a lifetime Hydra agent-until a few months ago, when his personal history was rewritten by a villain using a Cosmic Cube, something which the characters are unaware of but which the readers have known since day one because we basically saw it happen. There is no retcon, all past stories are still pefectly valid from our POV, nobody is trying to tell the readership "Cap was actualy this all along", and it's fairly obvious it's a storyline with a definite ending in mind. But a horde of outraged readers who haven't actually read the book in years have picked up on a headline and decided "Marvel have retconned Cap! The bastards!" Despite the fact that, unlike DC, Marvel actually aren't known for doing that kind of thing. I was actually trying to avoid spoilering the story, but since it appears I'm the only one reading and enjoying it anyway, what the hell... So he was Comic Cubed into a Hydra Agent? Okay, still glad I don't read Marvel anymore. Fine. Whatever. I'm enjoying it, that's all I care about. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 24, 2017 11:01:28 GMT -5
I sometimes think I'm the only person around here who still enjoys modern comics. I still enjoy a fair number of super hero comics these days though I dropped Batman and Detective shortly after Rebirth. |
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