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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 21, 2017 20:48:25 GMT -5
I considered most of the series mediocre, although I loved Matt Wagner's tale and thinks it ought to be canon. I loathed Rascal Prince. It seemed like Robinson trying to be cheap & nasty for its own sake, rather than genuinely add to our knowledge of the character. Did Bates ever discover the truth of Project Zarathustra? I see no indication he ever did (else either he or Gargunza would be dead). Think about it from Bates' point of view. He and his friends have established careers as superheroes. They investigate a flying fortress run by their arch-foe, and are killed by an unknown form of energy (I don't know for sure but I'd not be surprised if there was at least one 50s Marvelman story in which he survives an A-bomb, so it clearly couldn't be that). He barely survives, and comes to earth and finds that Gargunza has blasted the entire population with some sort of hypno-ray, because nobody remembers them! Even the newspaper reports have been erased, and the paper Mike and Dicky work at doesn't even exist! No wonder he felt the need to be KM full-time ... how utterly terrifying that must have been! Moore never said that Johnny knew the truth and we never see him inside the Zarathustra bunker, except during the actual experiment, being programmed. The thing is, most serial killers and violent monsters are the product of systematic abuse and trauma, over a long period of time. Johnny isn't going to turn mean just because he is a kid with these powers. He had a a programmed personality that was deferential to Miracleman and he worshipped him as a father figure. Now, if you established that the real Johnny Bates had been badly abused, before being kidnapped for the experiment, you have a foundation upon which to build. Then, you could see Kid Miracleman becoming worse without that guidance, especially if he was plagued by memories of the abuse and trauma from the nuclear explosion. That's another thing we never really see; how badly was Kid Miracleman hurt by the explosion? I would suspect there would be some physical pain and burns, probably memory loss, at first. Perhaps he goes into hiding, paranoid that someone (Gargunza?) was out to get the family. He possibly over-reacts to situations, perhaps the paranoia is fed by traumatic memories from before. I could see that kind of mental imbalance fueling an adolescence that became more and more depraved, especially when he realized that rules didn't apply to him. Maybe, at first, he starts going over the line out of fear; but, slowly, starts to see that he has no limits and builds his own internal morality, leading to his pursuit of power. I have to wonder if Gaiman was planning to explore any of that; perhaps in The Dark Age.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 22, 2017 17:52:10 GMT -5
Miracleman: The Apocrypha #2 This, of course, is an homage to the John Byrne Man of Steel cover. Once again, Gaiman and Buckingham provide the framing, and this one is more than a bit ironic, as Miracleman muses about the death of comic book heroes, in the wake of the Age of Miracles. The obvious irony is that those books still exist, while Eclipse would soon go under and Miracleman would be frozen in time, the Silver Age (still) uncompleted. The first story, "Prodigal," is from Kurt Busiek and Christopher Schenk. It features the story of a survivalist youth who becomes obsessed with the Miracles. He leaves his community to experience the world. Although life is easy, he finds himself missing the manual labor he did, as he felt he accomplished something, rather than went through the motions of watching machines, which do the real work. There are many things he lieks; but, that element, a concrete result of his labor, gnaws at him. he returns home and is accidentally shot by a friend, who is standing guard duty. It's one of the better tales, so far, as it examines a fundamental point about this utopia; personal achievement and self-sufficiency. This brings to mind Busiek's work on Astro City, which would soon follow. Stefan Petrucha and Broderick Macaraeg provide the next tales, "Stray Thoughts." A young girl, named Penny, is on a weekend visit to Olympus, spending time with Miraclewoamn. We soon learn that it is a sort of robot and that Miraclewoman creates them to act out ideas she doesn't have time to test. Penny accidentally seets a vast quantity loose on the world, which creates trouble. Miraclewoman goes to shu them down and Penny is killed accidentally. We then see the larger truth... This one gets pretty abstract and weird and isn't quite as clever as it wants to be. The last story, "The Janitor," is from Dick Foreman, Alan Smith, and Pete Williamson, and concerns a janitor, on his daily routine, at Olympus. We see him work and moan amongst wonders that would astound people; but, he just complains. Miracle Babies are an annoyance, Miracle Dog is going to hurt someone, rushing to and fro, some of the statues are obscene, and if foreigners weren't bad enough there are aliens. he goes through his day and heads home, when he sees a Ford Popular in the street. he never thought he'd see another. It's a bloody miracle! This is probably my favorite tales, so far, as it is a nice light-hearted piece that is satisfyingly amusing. There are no great philosophical messages or terrifying what-ifs; just a 9-5 guys doing his job, dealing with the hassles of work, and witnessing a miracle. So, another batch of stories and 2 out of 3 are pretty good. The third isn't bad; just a bit abstract. Still nothing earth-shattering here; but, the level of entertainment is higher. I would have liked some more humorous takes on this material. As the 90s got oh so grim and gritty, I found myself more and more looking for stuff to make me smile. The Janitor obliges.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 23, 2017 15:10:17 GMT -5
Miracleman Apocrypha #3 This one parodies FF #5. This came out in May of '92, according to Mike's Amazing World of Comics, with MM #23 coming out in August. So, this was the last Miracleman for 3 months. Of course, it was a year between MM #23 and 24. and it's been nearly 25 years since we last saw a "new" Miracleman. How about that Marvel/Neil/Mark? Our first story, "Wishing On A Star," is from Steve Moore and Alex Ross. Ross is still a rookie, at this point. he had produced 5 issues of Terminator: Burning Earth, for Now Comics, and the cover to Clive Barker's Hellraiser, for Epic/Marvel. Marvels is over a year away. A group of teenagers are watching a meteor shower, in the desert, making wishes. one wishes for a return of the space program. We see Miracleman fly over Cape Canaveral and encounter an astronaut, sitting on an empty gantry... MM makes a deal to launch Cal into space; but not interfere with the flight itself. The ship launches successfully but has a misfire and cannot break Earth orbit. Cal is unable to fix it and the ship plummets back to Earth. He refuses help from MM, that it has to be his mission, his destiny. The girl of the wishing group sees the giant streak of light and makes her wish... A small tale of the human spirit and the need to achieve for one's own self-worth. If there is a theme in these tales, this is it; that mankind has lost the desire to achieve, since MM does everything for them. Utopia is not something to strive for, as it brings and end to striving. Next is "A bright and Sunny Day," from Fred Schiller and Val Mayerick. The story features Kid Miracleman meeting up with a professor, a particle physicist who was altered in an accident; he lives years in minutes. KM accompanies him as he shows him the people he has left behind and desperately wants to return to. KM assures him the MM can help and tries to contact him; but, he doesn't come. KM ends up spending the last moments with the prof. as he dies. Finally, MM shows up. The narration says this is the turning point in their relationship. This is a quiet tale that places Johnny Bates into the hero role, as he tries to help the professor and stays with him to the end, so that he is not alone. Miracleman is the callous person who ignores cries for help. Nothing more is said, as to whether this is a Bates cult story or something else. It's certainly not actual history, as these tales are all fiction and this would be an odd para-reality program, from Gargunza, except as a ost-awakening mindf@#$ for MM. However, it does present an idea for how KM is pushed away from MM, setting him on a path to monster. The last story, "Gospel," is from Steven Grant and Darrick Robinson. A young man delivers a parcel to a man named Tamblyn, in a community that shuns the wonders of the new world. it is a rejection of a manuscript and we learn of its content. Tamblyn preaches an alternate gospel of how Miracleman was evil and corrupt, who looked down upon mortals. Only Kid Miracleman saw the truth. He saw MM and Miraclewoman seel the Earth to the alien Warpsmiths and fought back. He was defeating the monster when the aliens interfered. and he was banished. The remaining gods live a life of corruption and decadence, while the faithful remain apart and pure. The messenger starts to interrupt,as he was in London, but thinks better of it. He gets out of this community as fast as he can. Tamblyn dies within a year and his daughter and wife move into the city and wait for Johnny Bates' return. More of the fantasy world of the Bates cult. This adds to the paranoia that this modern group of Satanists will somehow bring the release of Kid Miracleman, plunging the world into darkness again. That clash seems inevitable, given that KM was left alive, but trapped. The seed is nourished as we saw the retrieval of DNA from Dicky Dauntless/Young Miracleman. The Silver Age brings back Young Miracleman; would The Dark Age bring back Kid Miracleman? I still wonder if we will ever find out... The book ends with Miraclewoman pulling MM out of his reading, laughing that the whole mess began with comic books, as they inspired Gargunza's vision. We pull back and end with a comic book image of Miraclewoman, triumphant over other women... The image brings to mind some of the kinkier Wonder Woman imagery, from the Golden Age comics; something Melinda Gebbie continued in the Cobweb stories, in Tomorrow Stories, from Alan Moore's America's Best Comics line. Notice how Miraclewoman stands with her foot on a conquered female, who kneels subserviently to her, as others lie prone and beaten. Very much an image of domination to match those of Marston and Peters, or fetish artist Eric Stanton (who did the kinkier Wonder Woman parody, Blunder Broad). This ends this diversion. Nothing really groundbreaking here, just a group of stories. Most are well done, in their own right, even if many seem like they are old hat. Mostly, they are character pieces. In the grand scheme of things, the Apocrypha are seen as the lightest element, even when compared to the reprints of the Mick Anglo material. (such as the Miracleman 3D special, which reprinted the Marvelman Special, that ed to Marvel Comics' legal threats).
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 23, 2017 15:47:50 GMT -5
There is one other piece of apocrypha I wanted to cover; the story from Warrior #4. This is a glimpse at the far future, where Marvelman and Aza Chorn have left the fight with Bates and have come to Silence, MM's Fortress of Solitude. They hope to use time-travelling equipment to alter things. The equipment was built by BlacK Warpsmiths. They warp trough time and arrive in 1963. The Marvels are having a snowball fight and MM puts a stop to it, reminding them they are supposed to be investigating Gargunza's Sky Fortress. A rip in space occurs and streaking out comes the future MM, who slams into his past self. Aza Chorn breaks off their fight, as he has collected the energy. They move forward in time to 1982, and we see the reborn Marvelman. he has flown to the moon, in joy and runs smack dab into his future self. Again they battle and again Aza breaks it off when they have enough energy. We return to the future, where Kid Marvelman is killing Marvelman... Kid Marvelman turns to Aza Chorn and the energy is released, witnessed in a flash, in the past. Our story ends, with Marvelman returning to Liz, in 1982, and a scene of destruction, at Silence. This is a very intriguing tale, especially when you consider that this is the 4th issue of Warrior. Marvelman had only recently been reborn. In issue 3, he has his meeting with the adult Johnny Bates and realizes that he has grown up as Kid Marvelman, not Johny, and that the power has corrupted him. We know nothing of Gargunza and his experiment, or that Kid Marvelman will be locked away, for a time, only to be released at the worst moment. At the time, Johnny was about to attack Mike Moran, in 1982, and we wondered about Johnny's greater power. here, we see that he is far more powerful than Marvelman and the key to defeating him lies in the past and fights between future and past Marvelman. The art is provided, on separate pages, by Steve Dillon, Paul Neary and Alan Davis. One can only imagine how readers were affected by this, at the time. First, marvelman is reborn and his past is a lie. Then, Kid Miracleman is alive and he is twisted. Now, we see that they will battle in the future, and Kid Marvelman is far more powerful than Marvelman and the alien Warpsmith. Can he be defeated? What lies ahead? How does this future happen? We are also left to wonder if this was the originally conceived ending and that the publication circumstances of Marvelman led to some alterations and sidetrips, both at the end of Red King Syndrome and throughout Olympus. The basic confrontation is there, though we see in Miracleman #15 that this story is now an apocrypha, one of several, as the basic plot is recounted, after the Firedrake attacks Johnny. Then, we see other apocrypha, including the chess match between Miracleman and Johnny. I will have to consult Kimota to see if Alan Moore mentions revising the ending. So, next up The Silver Age, which ends up more than a little tarnished, as well as tardy.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 24, 2017 21:40:29 GMT -5
Miracleman #23 BWS doing the covers, Gaiman and Buckingham do the interior. The year, we are told, is 2003 AD; or, as some recon, 19 EM (Era of Miracles). it's 19 years since Miracleman reshaped the world. We open with some Miracle Kids playing superhero games... One of them is called Mist; so, we can probably assume that this is the daughter of Rachel, from "Winter's Tale," during The Golden Age. She calls the others that it is time for the awakening. We see these kids acting out stereotypical Marvel super-battles and we also see that they can change between multiple bodies, like the Qys. In some scary irony, one of the kids was knocked through both towers of the World Trade Center. The kids watch and we see Young Miracleman, lying on a bed... We learn that Mors took DNA samples from tissue that was frozen at the time of the bomb, as the bodies hit infra-space, freezing them in time. It is 40 years since that day. Dicky wakes up and MM speaks to him through a door, then comes in. He tells Dicky what happened. he seems to take it rather well, all things considered... Miracleman tries to ease Dicky into things; but, Winter shows up, still in the form of a toddler, and tells Dicky that she is MM's daughter and is nearly 21. MM takes DD out to meet the others. Dicky takes it all in and speaks like he is caught in an old b & w movie. Then, when he leaves the group, we see the truth... Dicky relates his origin, as told in the original Marvelman comics. Much like Captain Marvel Jr, he was given a portion of Marvelman's power, to save his life, after Nazis nearly kill him. MM tells him the truth, about the alien ship, Gargunza, the para-reality programming; everything. We learn that Dicky's father wasn't a war hero; he found DD's mother in bed with another, shot and killed them, then himself. Dicky was kidnapped and subjected to the experiments and died in 1963. MM tells him the truth about Johnny and the Retrieval mission, that brought him back. DD asks to be left alone and he then switches form and begins crying for his mother. The scene fades from the view of the Miracle Kids. The boys joke about things and head off. The girls realize that DD is severely traumatized and are worried. An interesting thing to note: Miracleman's symbol is missing from his oval, in every panel. Even Dicky remarks about the change to his uniform. Dicky expects a sci-fi future, including some kind of global government and MM tells him, "No, there's just me..." It sounds ominous. Dicky seems in shock and acts non-plussed, until the end, when he breaks down, after hearing the full truth. Imagine what is going through his head: he's been dead for 40 years, his memories are lies, his father murdered his mother and killed himself, he was kidnapped and abused as an experiment by Gargunza, he was killed because he posed a threat to mankind, his mentor and friend killed his other friend after he decimated London, he has been reborn via alien technology. He is on extremely dangerous psychological ground. You can sort of assume that Miracleman began the project to bring back Dicky out of the grief of killing Johnny Bates. He hopes to correct his mistake with his other acolyte. The problem is, he still can't see beyond his emotions, as Winter and Miracle Woman can. He makes bad decisions because of emotional baggage. Is the utopia unravelling? Dicky is shocked by Miracle Woman's mode of dress; what happens when he sees her sex tapes and other erotica? He refers to the Firedrake as the "coloured gentleman." It reflects 50s terminology that he would have heard; but, does it also reflect racists attitudes he may have learned, in his real youth? To Dicky, the powers were a fun fantasy world, fed to him by Gargunza; what happens when he learns what he can really do? The stuff with the Miracle Kids struck me as a distraction, though it was probably meant to showcase the further changes in the world. The other stuff is really foreboding, that the defecation is about to hit the oscillator. Gaiman and Buckingham do a great job to sell the idea that the utopia is about to break apart. This issue really had me excited to see what came next, after feeling somewhat stagnant, during the Golden Age and Apocrypha. This feels more in line with what Alan Moore had previously done and I couldn't wait for the next issue. Unfortunately, I did have to wait; an entire year! In Kimota!: The Miracleman Companion, cat yronwode blames the delays, in part, on Gaiman being slow with the script. Gaiman claims they hadn't been paid and refused to turn in more work until they received money owed. Eclipse was in deep financial trouble and found themselves repeatedly unable to get books printed without cash up front. Too many printers had been burnt and owed money to give them credit. By the time the next issue came out, we had another new editor. If Dicky Dauntless' world seemed messed up, the reader's world wasn't much better.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 25, 2017 11:10:57 GMT -5
Miracleman #24 After a year's wait, we finally got an issue of Miracleman. Little did we know... The story opens with a narration from Dicky, as he describes what he has done for the last week. Aside from some books and comics and tv programs, he watched a documentary, called "Veneer," shot in the aftermath of the Battle of London. He describes the horror he saw in the film... Dicky is the guest at a reception in New York and is taken there by the Warpsmiths. He is accompanied by a valet named Jordan, who looks suspiciously like John Gielgud, especially from Arthur. Winter is there, invisible, offering advice and guidance to Dicky, as he is overwhelmed by the crowd and the reception. She also introduces him to the Miracle Kids, who are nothing like children he knew. As this happens, Miracleman and Woman watch and she prods him about Dicky. MM replies that he isn't sure about what she says... They debate and MM shows her scenes of Dicky's reaction to the para-reality programming (from the Young Miracleman back-up story)... After Dicky returns home, he brushes his teeth and says his prayers, a child preparing for bed. MM comes in to talk to him, following Miracle Woman's advice.... Dicky reacts in shock and violence. He berates Miracleman for his actions, asking if that is what he did to Johnny, if that is what turned him rotten. Dicky, tears in his eyes, flies away and tells MM not to follow. MM returns to Miracle Woman... And that is the end of Miracleman, to this day, as we still wait for Gaiman and Buckingham to finish their story. Marvel made big noises about it when they acquired the rights to Marvelman, from Mick Anglo (though there was some debate as to what rights Anglo actually owned); but, they've been quieter about it lately. I haven't followed Gaiman's tweets or web page, so I have no idea what he has said on the ssubject, though he has been busy with the launch of American Gods and other work. Perhaps it is a scheduling issue; perhaps there is something behind the scenes. It wouldn't be the first time. This issue really shows what an innocent Dicky is. Aside from his chronological age, in 1963, he was kept in arrested state for approximately 9 years and fed 1950s child fantasies. He has awakened in the world of 2003 to find it all a lie. He has seen true horror and knows his idol and mentor is at the center of it. Dicky acts like an innocent child, brushing his teeth and saying his prayers before bed, looking in awe upon a skyscraper and a crowd of people, despite the fact he's been living in Olympus and is flying above the crowd. When Miracleman kisses him he is slapped in the face with a new reality. His world has been sexless and he is presented with a physical act of love. He doesn't know how to handle it and explodes. The issue also shows that Miracleman isn't quite what he seems. Miracle Woman takes the lead and he follows her. She is the one to suggest that YM is in love with him and prods him to act upon it. Miracle Woman has been heaped in a world of sex. She was given a pin-up body and fed sexual fantasies by Gargunza, while her sleeping body was abused. She acted detached as she described it to MM; but, you are left to wonder if it didn't affect her more deeply. Sexual abuse during adolescence has been shown to affect the perception of sex in later years, and is a prevalent background of women in the sex industries. MW has been presented as more enlightened than MM and he defers to her; but, we are left to wonder if she has been badly affected by her experiences and has put up a facade. Has her focus on the erotic been a byproduct of abuse? If so, is that why she believes that YM was in love with MM, rather than seeing it as hero worship? She seems to manipulate MM; are there ulterior motives. the ending suggests that MM has come to realize that her suggestions may have had a different motivation. Is she trying to drive away Dicky, so that she can have MM for herself? Also, a previous framing sequence, in a past issue, spoke of lovemaking by MM and MW, that involved her dominating him, as seen in Gargunza's fantasy programming; was this just experimentation or a truer reflection of her nature? The absence of MM's logo is explained, as he altered by simplifying the image, to reflect the world's knowledge of him. It suggests a possible loss of identity. Buckingham is great here. The art is significantly different than much of the Golden Age. His characters are sleeker and have more of that superhero look, more in keeping with Gary Leach's models. He handles the emotional stuff well and the facial expressions he gives Dicky are tremendous. So, for almost 25 years, we have wondered where the story is going. Eclipse solicited issue 25 on at least 2, if not more, occasions that I can recall, yet never delivered. I recall Gaiman publicly stating that he wondered about that, as they hadn't delivered an issue, citing non-payment for previous work. In 1994 Eclipse fell silent. In 1995 they filed for bankruptcy. Despite other offers, including Canadian entrepreneur Richard Broughton (who also bought up assets from Charlton and ACG), the bankruptcy court awarded the assets of Eclipse to Todd McFarlane, despite a lower bid. At the time, many felt it was due to competing offers being for specific titles, while McFarlane offered for the whole thing. It was felt that the bankruptcy court didn't want to deal with the hassle of multiple sales, despite their responsibility to secure the best deal for payment of the creditors. McFarlane got Eclipse and whatever rights they had to Miracleman. There was talk of him appearing in new comics, of Gaiman continuing. McFarlane placed Mike Moran in Hellspawn #6 and he was supposed to return in #13. A statue was released; but, aside from some pin-ups, nothing more. Then, the legal battle began. In 2009, Marvel announced that it had bought the rights to the original Marvelman, from Mick Anglo, who claimed he owned them the entire time and never sold rights to Dez Skinn. Marvel claimed full ownership of Miracleman/Marvelman. In 2013 they announced they were reprinting the series and that Gaiman and Buckingham would continue the Silver Age. Reprints were announced for publication this year,; but, no firm news on the continuation. Next, the unfinished work and a wrap-up with a look at TwoMorrows' Kimota!, The Miracleman Companion.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 26, 2017 3:00:37 GMT -5
Miracleman #25 and Miracleman Triumphant So, in the letters column of issue 24, it was announced that Eclipse was going to publish a 6 issue mini-series, Miracleman Triumphant, with script by Fred Burke and art by Mike Deodato. It was supposed to fill in the gap between the Golden Age and The Silver Age. Eclipse claimed Neil Gaiman had provided input; but, in the TwoMorrows reference book, Kimota!, The Miracleman Companion, Gaiman didn't recall anything about it. cat yronwode maintained that he had consulted and acted surprised that he denied knowledge of it. You can read the first script here: miraclemen.info/comics/unreleased/miracleman-triumphant-1/It includes a letter to Neil Gaiman, though the letter doesn't suggest Neil consulted, just that Burke was told the Gaiman approved the idea. More on that later. The first issue starts right after issue #22, with the end of Carnival. miracleman is still in his disguise and finds a flyer for a family of fortune tellers. he goes to consult with them. meanwhile, Lizz Sullivan (formerly Moran) has been invited to a party at Olympus, with her new book, Winter's Tale. She meets Avril Lear and has a conversation, but Winter shows up and greets her mother. Liz realizes that Avril is Miracle Woman and berates her. Avril changes form and pities Liz. Liz fires back. We also see Emil gargunza, once again raised from the dead. Liz questions this and remarks of his rape of Miracle Woman. MW denies rape and said it was just fantasy, though we have seen differently, in past. Liz see that MW is in denial about the abuse she suffered. Gargunza uses a radio communicator to affect Miracle Dog, who attacks British Bulldog and Winter. Gargunza releases Winter clones, to add to the confusion. He uses a control word, "Lolita," to force MW to change to Avril lear, again. Liz is the one who stops Gargunza and saves her daughter, not MW or MM. Miracle Woman wanted Liz to join the family; but, she leaves. MM tells Winter that he is going to the US, as instructed by the fortune tellers, to see evidence of whether he acted for the best, in the past. jason Oakey, the boy he conversed with (now an adult) will accompany. The issue is intriguing and addresses some points I raised about Miraclewoman, last time. She was systematically abused by Gargunza and you have to wonder how that affected her. her preoccupation with sex, in the new utopia, suggests she still hasn't dealt with it. liza addresses that point specifically. We also see that Avril/Miraclewoman is a manipulator, as she set up this celebration under false pretenses. Did she also do the same in pushing Miracleman to "make a pass" at Young Miracleman? We definitely see that she is not the perfection she claims. Miracleman has doubts about what he has done and is looking for answers. he will be reunited with Jason Oakey and go on a voyage to America. With Jason, he sees the past and looks at the present. Jason has molded himself into MM's appearance. Is he a surrogate for YM? An idea of what Mike and or Dicky would be if they had remained human? Deodato's art looks fantastic and this issue really tantalizes you for more. Burke picked up on Gargunza's ability to confound even Mors and his malevolence. He keyed in on Miracle Woman and her imbalance. One thing, though, is that Liz looks rather like Rachel, Mist's mother, from Winter's Tale and issue 22. I wonder if that was a misunderstanding, with Deodato, or if that was intentional. Miracleman #25 was completed and turned in; but, financial problems kept it from being published. The full script is not available and only a few pages of art have been seen: Neil Gaiman says in Kimota that Dicky travels to the Himalayas and wakes up in his human form. He meets and old man and also sees Johnny. He said Johnny is not "back from the dead" and it isn't a flashback. He doesn't say if it is a vision/dream, or if it is a psychic conversation, in infra-space, similar to the communication between Kid Miracleman and Johnny Bates, while Bates was in the institution and KM was trapped in infra-space. Bates would definitely appear in The Dark Age. It's hard to judge form the art miraclemen.info/comics/unreleased/miracleman-25/ what the full story is. The Dark Age, according to Gaiman, was to be sett several hundred to one thousand years in the future. The Miracle babies are gone, flown off into space. Mike Moran or someone who claims to be him would be seen. bates would return. The story would end in a conversation between two people, as the last sunrise occurs. The planet is ruined. Kimota! was published in 2001, with interviews conducted by Greg Khoury (who has interviewed Alan Moore, extensively) It features an introduction by Alex Ross, who says the series greatly influenced Kingdom Come (which people tend to forget was his conception, not Mark Waid's). All the major players are interviewed, except Dean Mullaney, Fred Burke, Valerie Jones,and Warrior cover artist Mick Austin. It emerges that Dez Skinn did not purchase the rights to Marvelman, though he maintained it was in the public domain. he did pass money on to Mick Anglo, to be able to reprint some classic Marvelman material and to cover his interest. He claims in the interview that the cessation of the series was due to a breakdown between Alans Moore and Davis, and that the Marvel threats were mostly smoke and mirrors. Moore and Davis did have a falling out over Captain Britain, as Moore blocked it being reprinted earlier, due to objections about treatment of the UK editor, Bernie Jaye, and over threats about Marvelman, when Dez Skinn was shopping the US reprint rights around. Skinn says that DC passed on it, saying they didn't know what to do with it and couldn't make the original Captain marvel work. They did snap up V for Vendetta, with Moore's blessing, though Skinn says it was for less money than the got from Eclipse, for Marvelman. Marvelman actually was sold to Pacific; but, their bankruptcy led to Eclipse buying it up, along with the other Pacific titles they snapped up. Eclipse then went on to secure a portion of the rights, eventually buying out Skinn and Gary Leach. In interviews, Alan Davis claims he was never paid for the reprint of his work. Gary Leach was also not paid, until they were doing the trade, and he got money to do the cover. Mick Austin did not get paid for reusing his cover on the 3-D Miracleman special. Mick Anglo was not paid for the reprints. cat yronwode, in Miracleman 24 stated that Dez absconded with the money and pretty much maintains that in her interview. Skinn claims that is false and the others point fingers at Eclipse. Skinn says he had a later conversation with yronwode where she blames Dean Mullaney for feeding the story to her and that he filled her head with similar things. She denies this in her interview. She does paint Dean as a mess, as the end looms for the company and says she contacted Neil Gaiman to return the art to issue 25, to keep Dean from selling it elsewhere. What comes out of this is very "he said, she said;" but, it is clear that Eclipse reneged on many things and had questionable business dealings. Similar charges were made over the manga reprints and by David Campitti, who acted as agent for Mike Deodato, on Miracleman Triumphant. Dez Skinn tells a story of withholding material, after Eclipse failed to make payments, and meeting with Jan Mullaney, in a seedy New York bar, who slipped him an envelope with $2000 cash. yronwode, blames others and Dean Mullaney and says that lateness on issues was due to the creators. Moore and Chuck Austen tell stories of cat attacking loved ones (Moore's then-wife and Austen's grandmother) on the phone, looking for delayed work. Moore talks of Eclipse reneging on providing documentation of some of the rights claims they made and says th relationship soured pretty quickly, with Eclipse. Olympus almost didn't come about, due to the problems. yronwode accuses Neil gaiman of having personal issues that were affecting turning in work; but, Gaiman claims that he and Buckingham withheld work due to non-payment for the previous issue, especially with The Silver Age, citing it as the reason for the year between #23 and 24. Aside from the behind-the-scenes gossip, the book is an excellent resource for the creation and evolution of the series. It features art from the unreleased works and some sketches from John Totleben. It also includes Moore's complete script for the first story and Moore and Totleben's "Lux Brevis", a story intended for an anthology at First Comics, put together by Tim Truman. The anthology was never published. There is also Moore's original pitch for the series, his and Steve Moore's chronology of the Quality Communications Universe (combining Marvelman, V, Lazer Eraser, Warpsmiths, and more), a checklist of all of the material, and more. beau Smith is interviewed about Todd McFarlane's purchase of Eclipse's assets and Miracleman and his plans for it. It also speaks of the then-ongoing legal battle. I highly recommend getting your hands on it, if you are even remotely interested in the series. And so, that is it, until Gaiman and Buckingham return to finish The Silver Age. Personally, I'm not holding my breath. I sometimes wonder which we will see first, Miracleman 25 or Big Numbers #3. Or, peace in the Middle East?
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Post by tingramretro on Apr 26, 2017 3:46:51 GMT -5
There is one other piece of apocrypha I wanted to cover; the story from Warrior #4. This is a glimpse at the far future, where Marvelman and Aza Chorn have left the fight with Bates and have come to Silence, MM's Fortress of Solitude. They hope to use time-travelling equipment to alter things. The equipment was built by BlacK Warpsmiths. They warp trough time and arrive in 1963. The Marvels are having a snowball fight and MM puts a stop to it, reminding them they are supposed to be investigating Gargunza's Sky Fortress. A rip in space occurs and streaking out comes the future MM, who slams into his past self. Aza Chorn breaks off their fight, as he has collected the energy. They move forward in time to 1982, and we see the reborn Marvelman. he has flown to the moon, in joy and runs smack dab into his future self. Again they battle and again Aza breaks it off when they have enough energy. We return to the future, where Kid Marvelman is killing Marvelman... Kid Marvelman turns to Aza Chorn and the energy is released, witnessed in a flash, in the past. Our story ends, with Marvelman returning to Liz, in 1982, and a scene of destruction, at Silence. This is a very intriguing tale, especially when you consider that this is the 4th issue of Warrior. Marvelman had only recently been reborn. In issue 3, he has his meeting with the adult Johnny Bates and realizes that he has grown up as Kid Marvelman, not Johny, and that the power has corrupted him. We know nothing of Gargunza and his experiment, or that Kid Marvelman will be locked away, for a time, only to be released at the worst moment. At the time, Johnny was about to attack Mike Moran, in 1982, and we wondered about Johnny's greater power. here, we see that he is far more powerful than Marvelman and the key to defeating him lies in the past and fights between future and past Marvelman. The art is provided, on separate pages, by Steve Dillon, Paul Neary and Alan Davis. One can only imagine how readers were affected by this, at the time. First, marvelman is reborn and his past is a lie. Then, Kid Miracleman is alive and he is twisted. Now, we see that they will battle in the future, and Kid Marvelman is far more powerful than Marvelman and the alien Warpsmith. Can he be defeated? What lies ahead? How does this future happen? We are also left to wonder if this was the originally conceived ending and that the publication circumstances of Marvelman led to some alterations and sidetrips, both at the end of Red King Syndrome and throughout Olympus. The basic confrontation is there, though we see in Miracleman #15 that this story is now an apocrypha, one of several, as the basic plot is recounted, after the Firedrake attacks Johnny. Then, we see other apocrypha, including the chess match between Miracleman and Johnny. I will have to consult Kimota to see if Alan Moore mentions revising the ending. So, next up The Silver Age, which ends up more than a little tarnished, as well as tardy. I can do more than imagine, as I was one of those readers at the time. This was actually the first issue of Warrior that I picked up, though I obtained the first three soon after, and it struck me as pretty powerful stuff. In fact, it's the reason I became hooked on the magazine! I think it's pretty obvious that this was originally intended to be a part of the actual narratve but Moore went in a different direction after the series was prematurely halted in Warrior and then took an extended break before being restarted. His style of writing had developed a lot in the meantime, in directions I don't think he'd necessarily have been contemplating in 1982 when this was published.
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Post by tingramretro on Apr 26, 2017 4:42:17 GMT -5
Marvelman actually was sold to Pacific; but, their bankruptcy led to Eclipse buying it up, along with the other Pacific titles they snapped up. Eclipse then went on to secure a portion of the rights, eventually buying out Skinn and Gary Leach. In interviews, Alan Davis claims he was never paid for the reprint of his work. Gary Leach was also not paid, until they were doing the trade, and he got money to do the cover. Mick Austin did not get paid for reusing his cover on the 3-D Miracleman special. Mick Anglo was not paid for the reprints. cat yronwode, in Miracleman 24 stated that Dez absconded with the money and pretty much maintains that in her interview. Skinn claims that is false and the others point fingers at Eclipse. Skinn says he had a later conversation with yronwode where she blames Dean Mullaney for feeding the story to her and that he filled her head with similar things. She denies this in her interview. She does paint Dean as a mess, as the end looms for the company and says she contacted Neil Gaiman to return the art to issue 25, to keep Dean from selling it elsewhere. What comes out of this is very "he said, she said;" but, it is clear that Eclipse reneged on many things and had questionable business dealings. Similar charges were made over the manga reprints and by David Campitti, who acted as agent for Mike Deodato, on Miracleman Triumphant. Dez Skinn tells a story of withholding material, after Eclipse failed to make payments, and meeting with Jan Mullaney, in a seedy New York bar, who slipped him an envelope with $2000 cash. yronwode, blames others and Dean Mullaney and says that lateness on issues was due to the creators. Moore and Chuck Austen tell stories of cat attacking loved ones (Moore's then-wife and Austen's grandmother) on the phone, looking for delayed work. Moore talks of Eclipse reneging on providing documentation of some of the rights claims they made and says th relationship soured pretty quickly, with Eclipse. Olympus almost didn't come about, due to the problems. yronwode accuses Neil gaiman of having personal issues that were affecting turning in work; but, Gaiman claims that he and Buckingham withheld work due to non-payment for the previous issue, especially with The Silver Age, citing it as the reason for the year between #23 and 24. Aside from the behind-the-scenes gossip, the book is an excellent resource for the creation and evolution of the series. It features art from the unreleased works and some sketches from John Totleben. It also includes Moore's complete script for the first story and Moore and Totleben's "Lux Brevis", a story intended for an anthology at First Comics, put together by Tim Truman. The anthology was never published. There is also Moore's original pitch for the series, his and Steve Moore's chronology of the Quality Communications Universe (combining Marvelman, V, Lazer Eraser, Warpsmiths, and more), a checklist of all of the material, and more. beau Smith is interviewed about Todd McFarlane's purchase of Eclipse's assets and Miracleman and his plans for it. It also speaks of the then-ongoing legal battle. Kimota is a fascinating read, but the whole legal situation remains murky despite Khoury's best efforts. I've talked to Dez Skinn about Marvelman a couple of times over the years, and the claim that it was the falling out between the two Alans that led to the strip's cessation rather than Marvel's threats seems to be pretty much the opposite of what he and others have been saying happened for the last thirty years! Dez has also stated at least once that Eclipse never actually owned the rights to Marvelman so Todd McFarlane could never have acquired them. And personally, I'm still not convinced that Mick Anglo would ever have owned the rights to begin with-that's just not how comics publishing worked in the UK back in the 1950s. It seems far more likely that L. Miller & Son owned the rights until the company was dissolved, after which nobody would have owned them. But, of course, Marvel say that he did, and that they bought the rights, and Marvel have very good lawyers, so...
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 26, 2017 11:13:59 GMT -5
Marvelman actually was sold to Pacific; but, their bankruptcy led to Eclipse buying it up, along with the other Pacific titles they snapped up. Eclipse then went on to secure a portion of the rights, eventually buying out Skinn and Gary Leach. In interviews, Alan Davis claims he was never paid for the reprint of his work. Gary Leach was also not paid, until they were doing the trade, and he got money to do the cover. Mick Austin did not get paid for reusing his cover on the 3-D Miracleman special. Mick Anglo was not paid for the reprints. cat yronwode, in Miracleman 24 stated that Dez absconded with the money and pretty much maintains that in her interview. Skinn claims that is false and the others point fingers at Eclipse. Skinn says he had a later conversation with yronwode where she blames Dean Mullaney for feeding the story to her and that he filled her head with similar things. She denies this in her interview. She does paint Dean as a mess, as the end looms for the company and says she contacted Neil Gaiman to return the art to issue 25, to keep Dean from selling it elsewhere. What comes out of this is very "he said, she said;" but, it is clear that Eclipse reneged on many things and had questionable business dealings. Similar charges were made over the manga reprints and by David Campitti, who acted as agent for Mike Deodato, on Miracleman Triumphant. Dez Skinn tells a story of withholding material, after Eclipse failed to make payments, and meeting with Jan Mullaney, in a seedy New York bar, who slipped him an envelope with $2000 cash. yronwode, blames others and Dean Mullaney and says that lateness on issues was due to the creators. Moore and Chuck Austen tell stories of cat attacking loved ones (Moore's then-wife and Austen's grandmother) on the phone, looking for delayed work. Moore talks of Eclipse reneging on providing documentation of some of the rights claims they made and says th relationship soured pretty quickly, with Eclipse. Olympus almost didn't come about, due to the problems. yronwode accuses Neil gaiman of having personal issues that were affecting turning in work; but, Gaiman claims that he and Buckingham withheld work due to non-payment for the previous issue, especially with The Silver Age, citing it as the reason for the year between #23 and 24. Aside from the behind-the-scenes gossip, the book is an excellent resource for the creation and evolution of the series. It features art from the unreleased works and some sketches from John Totleben. It also includes Moore's complete script for the first story and Moore and Totleben's "Lux Brevis", a story intended for an anthology at First Comics, put together by Tim Truman. The anthology was never published. There is also Moore's original pitch for the series, his and Steve Moore's chronology of the Quality Communications Universe (combining Marvelman, V, Lazer Eraser, Warpsmiths, and more), a checklist of all of the material, and more. beau Smith is interviewed about Todd McFarlane's purchase of Eclipse's assets and Miracleman and his plans for it. It also speaks of the then-ongoing legal battle. Kimota is a fascinating read, but the whole legal situation remains murky despite Khoury's best efforts. I've talked to Dez Skinn about Marvelman a couple of times over the years, and the claim that it was the falling out between the two Alans that led to the strip's cessation rather than Marvel's threats seems to be pretty much the opposite of what he and others have been saying happened for the last thirty years! Dez has also stated at least once that Eclipse never actually owned the rights to Marvelman so Todd McFarlane could never have acquired them. And personally, I'm still not convinced that Mick Anglo would ever have owned the rights to begin with-that's just not how comics publishing worked in the UK back in the 1950s. It seems far more likely that L. Miller & Son owned the rights until the company was dissolved, after which nobody would have owned them. But, of course, Marvel say that he did, and that they bought the rights, and Marvel have very good lawyers, so... Yeah, my impression, from these and other interviews is that Dez basically assumed no one cared and existed to challenge things, so he grabbed it. Eclipse was hardly a company that crossed the Ts and dotted the Is, when it came to legal things and they've been accused of all kinds of didgy behavior. If they bought rights (existing or not); chances are, they were at least late with the payment, if they didn't outright stiff them. Marvel is using corporate power, same as parent company Disney, to intimidate, knowing no one has the resources to challenge. I suspect it wouldn't take much sleuthing to determine that Marvel bought bupkiss from Anglo, other than reprint rights to the classic stories they published. Moore doesn't care, Gaiman was aided by Marvel, in his fight, and McFarlane had already lost a judgement in court. I suspect he just threw up his hands and went back to counting his millions (except for the bankrupt part, to avoid the judgement to Tony Twist). I find it interesting that Marvel is only now getting around to reprinting the Silver Age and still hasn't made any announcements when we will see new material. I'm starting to wonder if that isn't a smokescreen, too. It's funny, illusion has played as much of a part in the publishing of Marvelman/Miracleman as it did within the context of the story.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Apr 27, 2017 12:01:50 GMT -5
Miracleman Apocrypha #3 This one parodies FF #5. I want to throw in here I hated this cover! Marvelwoman is NOT a good parallel for the Invisible Girl, and moreover doing the Marvelman Family to a 60's Marvel pastiche seemed il-fitting to me. There is one other piece of apocrypha I wanted to cover; the story from Warrior #4. This is a very intriguing tale, especially when you consider that this is the 4th issue of Warrior. Marvelman had only recently been reborn. In issue 3, he has his meeting with the adult Johnny Bates and realizes that he has grown up as Kid Marvelman, not Johny, and that the power has corrupted him. We know nothing of Gargunza and his experiment, or that Kid Marvelman will be locked away, for a time, only to be released at the worst moment. At the time, Johnny was about to attack Mike Moran, in 1982, and we wondered about Johnny's greater power. here, we see that he is far more powerful than Marvelman and the key to defeating him lies in the past and fights between future and past Marvelman. I read these when they came out in the 80s in sequence, and it was mind-blowing. And who the heck is Firedrake? Who are 'the others'? On the other hand, by the time Moore caught up, sadly the style of Olympus was so far advanced from this it would not make sense to reprint in chronological sequence. I've always felt somehow we were owed more Dillon artwork on the series as a result of this. For that reason I wish he'd been the one to draw the Kid Marvelman tail by Morrison.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Apr 27, 2017 12:10:19 GMT -5
An interesting thing to note: Miracleman's symbol is missing from his oval, in every panel. Even Dicky remarks about the change to his uniform. One of these days I must ask if it's a reference to Jack Marvel: www.leylander.org/intercom/marvelman/
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