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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 14, 2017 11:44:46 GMT -5
Looks cool. Hope it's good.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 14, 2017 17:14:55 GMT -5
Not bad... I do hope it parallels ESB a little less that Force Awakens did New Hope, (the training montages make me wonder), but even if it does, it should be pretty good  |
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Post by Warmonger on Apr 14, 2017 20:19:00 GMT -5
I personally think these new installments are going totally overboard with the nostalgia trips and fan service.
That's essentially all that they are
"Ooooh, there's Han Solo!"
"Ooooh, there's Chewbacca!"
"Ooooh, there's Vader!"
"Ooooh, there's Princess Leia! And Luke! And R2D2! And TIE Fighters! And AT-AT's! And...."
All of this is making me realize just how limited the Star Wars universe is, at least theatrically, despite the illusion of how deep it all is.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 14, 2017 21:04:15 GMT -5
The EU was pretty deep, but yeah, when they dumped it there's not a huge amount of stuff there. I like the nostalgia, its fun and it serves it's purpose, as long as there's something else to it.
Force Awakens didn't really have anything else, but it was fun enough to be entertaining, IMO. Hopefully they'll be able to tell a story beyond ESB with new faces.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 14, 2017 23:50:02 GMT -5
Original trilogy is still the best.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 15, 2017 9:43:14 GMT -5
The EU was pretty deep, but yeah, when they dumped it there's not a huge amount of stuff there. I like the nostalgia, its fun and it serves it's purpose, as long as there's something else to it. Force Awakens didn't really have anything else, but it was fun enough to be entertaining, IMO. Hopefully they'll be able to tell a story beyond ESB with new faces. I'm really hoping this diverges from what we've already seen as well, but whether or not it does it still looks like a fun thrill ride which is enjoyable enough. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 15, 2017 15:20:06 GMT -5
I personally think these new installments are going totally overboard with the nostalgia trips and fan service. That's essentially all that they are "Ooooh, there's Han Solo!" "Ooooh, there's Chewbacca!" "Ooooh, there's Vader!" "Ooooh, there's Princess Leia! And Luke! And R2D2! And TIE Fighters! And AT-AT's! And...." All of this is making me realize just how limited the Star Wars universe is, at least theatrically, despite the illusion of how deep it all is. I think it's illustrative of the Hollywood mindset: repeat what was successful, just give it a new sheen. It's the "new and improved" facade of the advertising world, in celluloid (or digital, now). The prequels were basically rehashes of the originals and the new ones seem the same. Rogue One felt a little more like something from the original Marvel comic series; a side adventure. That is, until things were directly tied into Star Wars. Despite all of the talk of moving things forward, I doubt we will ever really see that happen, anymore than Disney has gone beyond the same Little Mermaid/Beauty and the Beast formula in their films. I think we will have to content ourselves with entertaining while you watch it and leave the depth to be found in the prose and comic media, much like the originals. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 15, 2017 16:49:19 GMT -5
I personally think these new installments are going totally overboard with the nostalgia trips and fan service. That's essentially all that they are "Ooooh, there's Han Solo!" "Ooooh, there's Chewbacca!" "Ooooh, there's Vader!" "Ooooh, there's Princess Leia! And Luke! And R2D2! And TIE Fighters! And AT-AT's! And...." All of this is making me realize just how limited the Star Wars universe is, at least theatrically, despite the illusion of how deep it all is. I think it's illustrative of the Hollywood mindset: repeat what was successful, just give it a new sheen. It's the "new and improved" facade of the advertising world, in celluloid (or digital, now). The prequels were basically rehashes of the originals and the new ones seem the same. Rogue One felt a little more like something from the original Marvel comic series; a side adventure. That is, until things were directly tied into Star Wars. Despite all of the talk of moving things forward, I doubt we will ever really see that happen, anymore than Disney has gone beyond the same Little Mermaid/Beauty and the Beast formula in their films. I think we will have to content ourselves with entertaining while you watch it and leave the depth to be found in the prose and comic media, much like the originals. Love em', hate em' or just tolerate them, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that the prequels were just rehashes. In fact most complaints usually boil down to them being too different than what was wanted. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 15, 2017 17:58:46 GMT -5
I think it's illustrative of the Hollywood mindset: repeat what was successful, just give it a new sheen. It's the "new and improved" facade of the advertising world, in celluloid (or digital, now). The prequels were basically rehashes of the originals and the new ones seem the same. Rogue One felt a little more like something from the original Marvel comic series; a side adventure. That is, until things were directly tied into Star Wars. Despite all of the talk of moving things forward, I doubt we will ever really see that happen, anymore than Disney has gone beyond the same Little Mermaid/Beauty and the Beast formula in their films. I think we will have to content ourselves with entertaining while you watch it and leave the depth to be found in the prose and comic media, much like the originals. Love em', hate em' or just tolerate them, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that the prequels were just rehashes. In fact most complaints usually boil down to them being too different than what was wanted. More Phantom Menace than the other two: opening battle forces duo to emergency land on a planet, rescue a royal, Tatooine and acquiring friends, end with space battle won with a lucky shot. Clones has a few parallels, with the Fett connection, the romantic angle, the feeling of a setback. Sith is sort of the reverse of Jedi, with the fall of Anakin, rather than the redemption of Vader, plus Emperor ascending to ultimate power, rather than being destroyed. Kind of mirror images. Mostly it is Phantom Menace, which mines a lot of early script draft discarded material, for the same basic plot. Clones ends up a lot of filler. Sith has the meat, since it revolves around the thinly sketched Vader history, which dated back to Star Wars post-release interviews; but, before the writing of Empire, where Vader went from being a friend of Anakin to being Anakin. So, no, not rehashes, exactly; but, a lot of feeling of "seen that" or "Oh, they dug up that bit." Probably not the same experience for people who didn't read the comics and novels, during the original trilogy, as well as the Starlog interviews and Official Poster Magazine and Bantha Tracks articles. |
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Post by Confessor on Apr 16, 2017 9:03:24 GMT -5
As I wrote over in the "May The Force Be With You" thread, this teaser trailer had some interesting images in it, but overall, I was resolutely "meh" when I watched it. It's only a teaser, after all, and it really doesn't give much away. That, coupled with fact that I thought The Force Awakens was a badly flawed, 6½/10 Star Wars film, definitely makes me feel less than hopeful that this movie will be any better than its predecessor -- let alone as good as Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, which I consider the best SW film since the original trilogy.
As for the prequels being retreads of the original trilogy, I think that that is only applicable in the most superficial of ways. There were definitely parallels between A New Hope and The Phantom Menace, but I would never go so far as to say that it was a rehash. Now, A New Hope and The Force Awakens -- that was a rehash!
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 16, 2017 16:15:16 GMT -5
As I wrote over in the "May The Force Be With You" thread, this teaser trailer had some interesting images in it, but overall, I was resolutely "meh" when I watched it. It's only a teaser, after all, and it really doesn't give much away. That, coupled with fact that I thought The Force Awakens was a badly flawed, 6½/10 Star Wars film, definitely makes me feel less than hopeful that this movie will be any better than its predecessor -- let alone as good as Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, which I consider the best SW film since the original trilogy. As for the prequels being retreads of the original trilogy, I think that that is only applicable in the most superficial of ways. There were definitely parallels between A New Hope and The Phantom Menace, but I would never go so far as to say that it was a rehash. Now, A New Hope and The Force Awakens -- that was a rehash! Well, maybe rehash was a bit strong; deja vu certainly. Being underwhelmed by the film, I spent most of my time going "Star Wars........early script draft..........repurposed name........script draft.....Star Wars.......Ben Hur....Kurosawa......etc." |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 16, 2017 19:01:49 GMT -5
As I wrote over in the "May The Force Be With You" thread, this teaser trailer had some interesting images in it, but overall, I was resolutely "meh" when I watched it. It's only a teaser, after all, and it really doesn't give much away. That, coupled with fact that I thought The Force Awakens was a badly flawed, 6½/10 Star Wars film, definitely makes me feel less than hopeful that this movie will be any better than its predecessor -- let alone as good as Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, which I consider the best SW film since the original trilogy. As for the prequels being retreads of the original trilogy, I think that that is only applicable in the most superficial of ways. There were definitely parallels between A New Hope and The Phantom Menace, but I would never go so far as to say that it was a rehash. Now, A New Hope and The Force Awakens -- that was a rehash! Well, maybe rehash was a bit strong; deja vu certainly. Being underwhelmed by the film, I spent most of my time going "Star Wars........early script draft..........repurposed name........script draft.....Star Wars.......Ben Hur....Kurosawa......etc." Those, small, superficial similarities, or deja vu moments as you put them, were purposeful though and not as a nostalgia grab alone but as an operatic element. When you look at say the works of Wagner you see the same in those sagas, motifs reflected and referenced, it's part of the genre. |
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Post by Confessor on Apr 16, 2017 19:19:47 GMT -5
Well, maybe rehash was a bit strong; deja vu certainly. Being underwhelmed by the film, I spent most of my time going "Star Wars........early script draft..........repurposed name........script draft.....Star Wars.......Ben Hur....Kurosawa......etc." Those, small, superficial similarities, or deja vu moments as you put them, were purposeful though and not as a nostalgia grab alone but as an operatic element. When you look at say the works of Wagner you see the same in those sagas, motifs reflected and referenced, it's part of the genre. Quite right. Which is why John Williams's score for the Star Wars saga makes use of the Wagnerian compositional device of leitmotif, whereby a musical theme is associated with a particular person or place. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 14:46:07 GMT -5
The trailer looks cool, but even if it didn't I'd still be eagerly awaiting the movie... I love Star Wars!
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Post by Randle-El on Apr 18, 2017 10:02:53 GMT -5
As far as being a possible rehash, I give them the benefit of the doubt. The prequel trilogy left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. TFA was definitely heavy with fan service and nostalgia, but I get the thinking behind it. They were basically trying to get people to forget about the prequels, remember everything they loved about the OT, and attempt to restore confidence that they could make a good Star Wars movie that didn't have kiddie-pandering characters, over-reliance on digital effects, or bad writing. I don't think they were going for a home run with TFA, because in order to do that you'd have to take more risks. To further the baseball analogy, I honestly think they were going for a solid double -- nothing to make you stand and cheer, but just enough to give you some good feelings like they might be able to take this franchise somewhere.
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