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Post by james on May 6, 2017 10:14:33 GMT -5
Whats everyones thoughts on the cinematic GOTG and the Classic GOTG? For me after watching the movies (which were enjoyable) i go right home and pull out my Marvel Presents and Avengers 167-177 and reread what i thought was one of the best teams Marvel put together.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 6, 2017 10:42:41 GMT -5
I like both. I don't have the complete series of GotG, but I enjoy what I do have of it. And I like the Giffen and then Abnett & Lanning version of the team. I can enjoy them both despite the big differences in style and team mates. But I like space operas/adventures a lot. I have zero interest in Bendis' take.
As far as the movie, I really enjoyed the first one but I think it's an unintentional gem and it can't be repeated. And/or I fear they're going to try too hard and GotG, at least the movies, is going to be Team Deadpool in space. Deadpool as a character has long been ruined even in the comics. And I fear this route for future GotG movies.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on May 6, 2017 11:31:40 GMT -5
Having only read a few random issues from the seventies where they appear with the defenders, my exposure to comiic GOTG is minimal.
The first movie was great and I agree it may be hard to recapture that. But I plan on going to see it just looking to be entertained
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Post by james on May 6, 2017 13:09:02 GMT -5
2nd movie is om. Not as good as first. IMHO
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Post by codystarbuck on May 6, 2017 16:47:21 GMT -5
I haven't read the modern comics and thought the first film was a decent popcorn movie. Nothing too deep (apart from scenes with the mother, which was about as deep as it got), with a great soundtrack that reminded me of my youth. Haven't seen the second one yet.
I loved the original series, from the moment I first encountered them in the Defenders. They were a nice blend of superheroes and Star Trek, with the battles against the Badoon making for exciting space opera. The Marvel presents stuff got pretty gonzo and the Korvac Saga starts well; but peters out when Perez leaves (and got sidetracked just before that). The Marvel Two-in-One wrap ups were good. The Valentino stuff, from the 90s wasn't bad, though it also was better at the start.
To me, it isn't the Guardians without Yondu, Charlie 27, Martinex Starhawk and Vance Astro. Nikki made a nice addition. Then again, watching the Defenders trailer, I just sat there thinking, "I want Nighthawk, Valkyrie, Hulk, and Dr Strange."
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Post by berkley on May 6, 2017 18:19:33 GMT -5
I haven't read the modern comics and thought the first film was a decent popcorn movie. Nothing too deep (apart from scenes with the mother, which was about as deep as it got), with a great soundtrack that reminded me of my youth. Haven't seen the second one yet. I loved the original series, from the moment I first encountered them in the Defenders. They were a nice blend of superheroes and Star Trek, with the battles against the Badoon making for exciting space opera. The Marvel presents stuff got pretty gonzo and the Korvac Saga starts well; but peters out when Perez leaves (and got sidetracked just before that). The Marvel Two-in-One wrap ups were good. The Valentino stuff, from the 90s wasn't bad, though it also was better at the start. To me, it isn't the Guardians without Yondu, Charlie 27, Martinex Starhawk and Vance Astro. Nikki made a nice addition. Then again, watching the Defenders trailer, I just sat there thinking, "I want Nighthawk, Valkyrie, Hulk, and Dr Strange." This is pretty close to how I feel about it. The movie was its own thing and I enjoyed it for the reasons codystarbuck describes, but it isn't the Guardians to me. But that's true of all the Marvel movies and shows, even the best of them. One additional factor I liked about that first movie was that the humour was less mean-spirited than I find it is in some Hollywood comedies of the last several years. Most of the jokes weren't based on ridiculing other people, or if they were it was in a fairly gentle manner, not the sneering kind of put-downs that can turn me against a movie. Throwaway moments like Gamora trying out a little dance by herself successfully stayed on the right side of the fine line between cute or touching and cloyingly sentimental. I haven't seen the new movie yet but will probably get to it next week sometime. The previews and trailers sent out some warning signals to me that it might not be as much to my taste as the first one was but I'm keeping an open mind until I see it.
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Post by james on May 6, 2017 18:36:15 GMT -5
I haven't read the modern comics and thought the first film was a decent popcorn movie. Nothing too deep (apart from scenes with the mother, which was about as deep as it got), with a great soundtrack that reminded me of my youth. Haven't seen the second one yet. I loved the original series, from the moment I first encountered them in the Defenders. They were a nice blend of superheroes and Star Trek, with the battles against the Badoon making for exciting space opera. The Marvel presents stuff got pretty gonzo and the Korvac Saga starts well; but peters out when Perez leaves (and got sidetracked just before that). The Marvel Two-in-One wrap ups were good. The Valentino stuff, from the 90s wasn't bad, though it also was better at the start. To me, it isn't the Guardians without Yondu, Charlie 27, Martinex Starhawk and Vance Astro. Nikki made a nice addition. Then again, watching the Defenders trailer, I just sat there thinking, "I want Nighthawk, Valkyrie, Hulk, and Dr Strange." YES! Charlie-27, Martinex, Vance Astro, Nikki, Starhawk, and the true Yondu. Is my Guardians of the Galaxy too.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 6, 2017 18:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by badwolf on May 7, 2017 11:44:29 GMT -5
I'm not that familiar with the original Guardians. I have a couple issues of Marvel Presents, but that's about all I've read.
I'm familiar with most of the new team pre-Guardians, but I've never read their collective adventures.
As for the movies I loved the first one and enjoyed the second.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 7, 2017 12:15:56 GMT -5
I loved the original series, from the moment I first encountered them in the Defenders. They were a nice blend of superheroes and Star Trek, with the battles against the Badoon making for exciting space opera. The Marvel presents stuff got pretty gonzo and the Korvac Saga starts well; but peters out when Perez leaves (and got sidetracked just before that). The Marvel Two-in-One wrap ups were good. The Valentino stuff, from the 90s wasn't bad, though it also was better at the start. To me, it isn't the Guardians without Yondu, Charlie 27, Martinex Starhawk and Vance Astro. Nikki made a nice addition. Then again, watching the Defenders trailer, I just sat there thinking, "I want Nighthawk, Valkyrie, Hulk, and Dr Strange." I vastly prefer "classic Yondu" to the modern one. He was a deeply spirtual alien being that could control arrows with a single whistle, heck! He almost didn't even really need a bow. And Vance, oh my goodness gracious, Vance....There's a reason why he was my first "Adult Action Figure" purchase.... It's one thing that he's a total Captain America fanboy, but to use Captain America as a symbol/mantra for intergalactic rebellion, that's kind of beautiful Really though, there aren't enough good things that I can possibly say about the original Guardians, it was "of the times" but also simultaneously "timeless" and wholly embodies everything that made classic "Cosmic Marvel" such an utter joy to read
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Post by urrutiap on May 7, 2017 13:23:58 GMT -5
Original Guardians of the Galaxy/3000 was what Marvel would/should be like in the future besides 2099
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Post by codystarbuck on May 7, 2017 13:29:27 GMT -5
I loved the original series, from the moment I first encountered them in the Defenders. They were a nice blend of superheroes and Star Trek, with the battles against the Badoon making for exciting space opera. The Marvel presents stuff got pretty gonzo and the Korvac Saga starts well; but peters out when Perez leaves (and got sidetracked just before that). The Marvel Two-in-One wrap ups were good. The Valentino stuff, from the 90s wasn't bad, though it also was better at the start. To me, it isn't the Guardians without Yondu, Charlie 27, Martinex Starhawk and Vance Astro. Nikki made a nice addition. Then again, watching the Defenders trailer, I just sat there thinking, "I want Nighthawk, Valkyrie, Hulk, and Dr Strange." I vastly prefer "classic Yondu" to the modern one. He was a deeply spirtual alien being that could control arrows with a single whistle, heck! He almost didn't even really need a bow. And Vance, oh my goodness gracious, Vance....There's a reason why he was my first "Adult Action Figure" purchase.... It's one thing that he's a total Captain America fanboy, but to use Captain America as a symbol/mantra for intergalactic rebellion, that's kind of beautiful Really though, there aren't enough good things that I can possibly say about the original Guardians, it was "of the times" but also simultaneously "timeless" and wholly embodies everything that made classic "Cosmic Marvel" such an utter joy to read Vance Astro was my favorite character, followed closely by Charlie 27 and Starhawk. Vance is the fanboy who makes good, an astronaut hero (when astronauts were heroes), and a tragic figure, as he was trapped inside his suit. However, he did his darndest to live up to the ideals of his hero, Captain America. I always loved that their ship was called the Captain America, and the Quest for the Shield in the Valentino series was a darn good McGuffin. Charlie 27 was the loveable guy of the team, a soldier who sounded like a typical grunt. Starhawk was intriguing though it was the Marvel Presents series that really got into it, with the duality of Stakar and Aleta. Now that was something you didn't see in comics (though you did in the Japanese cartoon series Gatchaman, aka Battle of the Planets)! Yondu was a cool visual, though the Native American-esque spirituality made him different. Martinex was the one that still seemed a bit of a cypher. I always felt he got lost in the shuffle. Nikki had an auspicious debut, then is kind of in the background a bit, through the Korvac and Marvel 2-in-1 stuff, though Valentino picked up on her a bit. I ad assimilated the Defenders and related appearances and the Marvel Presents stuff and subsequent appearances, while I was in the military, while also finally finding the Marvel Super-Heroes debut (at a really low price). After the Gerber and subsequent material, the original seemed so different, even though the Badoon are there and the main 4. It felt more like a space opera there, rather than superheroes in space.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 7, 2017 13:37:55 GMT -5
I vastly prefer "classic Yondu" to the modern one. He was a deeply spirtual alien being that could control arrows with a single whistle, heck! He almost didn't even really need a bow. And Vance, oh my goodness gracious, Vance....There's a reason why he was my first "Adult Action Figure" purchase.... It's one thing that he's a total Captain America fanboy, but to use Captain America as a symbol/mantra for intergalactic rebellion, that's kind of beautiful Really though, there aren't enough good things that I can possibly say about the original Guardians, it was "of the times" but also simultaneously "timeless" and wholly embodies everything that made classic "Cosmic Marvel" such an utter joy to read Vance Astro was my favorite character, followed closely by Charlie 27 and Starhawk. Vance is the fanboy who makes good, an astronaut hero (when astronauts were heroes), and a tragic figure, as he was trapped inside his suit. However, he did his darndest to live up to the ideals of his hero, Captain America. I always loved that their ship was called the Captain America, and the Quest for the Shield in the Valentino series was a darn good McGuffin. Charlie 27 was the loveable guy of the team, a soldier who sounded like a typical grunt. Starhawk was intriguing though it was the Marvel Presents series that really got into it, with the duality of Stakar and Aleta. Now that was something you didn't see in comics (though you did in the Japanese cartoon series Gatchaman, aka Battle of the Planets)! Yondu was a cool visual, though the Native American-esque spirituality made him different. Martinex was the one that still seemed a bit of a cypher. I always felt he got lost in the shuffle. Nikki had an auspicious debut, then is kind of in the background a bit, through the Korvac and Marvel 2-in-1 stuff, though Valentino picked up on her a bit. I ad assimilated the Defenders and related appearances and the Marvel Presents stuff and subsequent appearances, while I was in the military, while also finally finding the Marvel Super-Heroes debut (at a really low price). After the Gerber and subsequent material, the original seemed so different, even though the Badoon are there and the main 4. It felt more like a space opera there, rather than superheroes in space. The modern Guardians just kind of feel like, IDK, a cover band (?). They've got what made the original great but not the "soul". Also, and I'm sure you get tired of hearing this, thank you for your service
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Post by codystarbuck on May 7, 2017 19:12:20 GMT -5
Vance Astro was my favorite character, followed closely by Charlie 27 and Starhawk. Vance is the fanboy who makes good, an astronaut hero (when astronauts were heroes), and a tragic figure, as he was trapped inside his suit. However, he did his darndest to live up to the ideals of his hero, Captain America. I always loved that their ship was called the Captain America, and the Quest for the Shield in the Valentino series was a darn good McGuffin. Charlie 27 was the loveable guy of the team, a soldier who sounded like a typical grunt. Starhawk was intriguing though it was the Marvel Presents series that really got into it, with the duality of Stakar and Aleta. Now that was something you didn't see in comics (though you did in the Japanese cartoon series Gatchaman, aka Battle of the Planets)! Yondu was a cool visual, though the Native American-esque spirituality made him different. Martinex was the one that still seemed a bit of a cypher. I always felt he got lost in the shuffle. Nikki had an auspicious debut, then is kind of in the background a bit, through the Korvac and Marvel 2-in-1 stuff, though Valentino picked up on her a bit. I ad assimilated the Defenders and related appearances and the Marvel Presents stuff and subsequent appearances, while I was in the military, while also finally finding the Marvel Super-Heroes debut (at a really low price). After the Gerber and subsequent material, the original seemed so different, even though the Badoon are there and the main 4. It felt more like a space opera there, rather than superheroes in space. The modern Guardians just kind of feel like, IDK, a cover band (?). They've got what made the original great but not the "soul". Also, and I'm sure you get tired of hearing this, thank you for your service Well, thanks for that; but, I never felt it was anything special. I sometimes bristle at the way servicemebers are automatically referred to as "heroes. For myself and everyone I knew, we looked upon ourselves as professionals, doing a job, not heroes. "Hero" was a term reserved for those who did the extraordinary. What we did felt ordinary. Still, it is nice to see that people have some understanding of the sacrifices of military life. My only wish is that people demand more accountability from our leaders who use military force, before peaceful diplomacy has really had a chance and that they put pressure on their representatives to remember their responsibilities to veterans and properly fund the VA system and make it do its job. That would be thanks enough for me.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 7, 2017 19:30:11 GMT -5
I bought Marvel Super-Heroes #18 off the stands, so me and the GotG go way back. I was never a big fan, though I didn't dislike them either. The Marvel Presents series was fun, but I enjoyed it more for the usual Steve Gerber wackiness than any particular affection for the characters. I've never read the modern GotG, and given the team's roster, I probably never would've. As I've mentioned before, I hate Star-Lord (Englehart AND Claremont versions), Gamora, Drax (anybody associated with boring ol' Thanos, really), and Rocket Raccoon (one Howard the Duck is enough), and the original Groot terrified me as a tot. And yet, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie so maybe, just maybe, I'll check out the Abnett and Lanning series one of these days.
Cei-U! I summon my open mind!
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