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Post by brutalis on May 15, 2017 8:45:44 GMT -5
With the new Alien movie coming up this weekend it begs the question: which do you like more? The Alien series or the Predator series? The 1st Alien movie is hands down the best horror movie. Yet the 1st Arnold driven Predator is an incredibly fun action movie. The 2nd Aliens movie turns up the dial to 11 and takes Alien into the horror/action summer blockbuster trend. Predator 2 failed miserably for the most part. I can forget Alien 3 and 4. A vs P became quite a fun little series of movies pitting the 2 species. Predators tried to return that series to a more horrific setting and for the most part succeeded.
There have been many a splendid and wonderful comic book series pitting heroe's against the Aliens and the Predators as well. Both movie beasties have become iconic staples of the horror and action aficionado and to this day continue being strong presences at the movies, books and comics. What are your thoughts?
Alien wins it for me as an incredible horror movie that has genuine scares and thrills leaping out from the dark and scaring the bejeebers out of you. A great combination of scares in physical and psychological that i can watch over and over again.
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Post by lobsterjohnson on May 15, 2017 9:10:13 GMT -5
I voted for Aliens, but I only like that movie a little more than Alien.
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Post by shaxper on May 15, 2017 9:46:34 GMT -5
Alien is the better film, but Aliens is the more entertaining film.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 15, 2017 9:56:16 GMT -5
Alien is the better film, but I liked Aliens just a little bit more. Probably because I prefer adventure to horror.
The utter alienness of the creature made the first one so amazing. I think it is a grave error for Ridley Scott to give those monsters an "origin".
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Post by badwolf on May 15, 2017 10:36:22 GMT -5
It's a tough call between Alien or Aliens, but I think Aliens is more fun so I voted for that.
I have never seen a Predator movie; Schwarzenegger turned me off.
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Post by Dizzy D on May 15, 2017 11:31:50 GMT -5
As a franchise, the Aliens movies are far beyond anything the Predator series has produced, based mostly on the strenght of the first 2 movies. The first Alien is a sci-fi classic with a lot of attention to detail and also one of the best horror movies ever produced. The second Aliens is one of the best sci-fi action movies. On the other hand, I enjoyed Predator, but it's a campy, over the top 80s action movie. Well crafted, but lacking the attention to detail the two Alien movies had.
The other movies in each franchise I remember less fondly, only Prometheus managed to make an impact (and most of that was not positive, but it still has some good points). I haven't seen Covenant yet nor the semi-recent Predators (which is already several years ago).
So the choice is between Alien and Aliens, and I go for Alien. More of an horror than an action movie fan.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 11:39:42 GMT -5
I've never ever really cared for Aliens and any other films under that title; I felt that Predator is more interesting character and having said that it's more chilling because of the invisibility factor.
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Post by brutalis on May 15, 2017 13:45:31 GMT -5
I've never ever really cared for Aliens and any other films under that title; I felt that Predator is more interesting character and having said that it's more chilling because of the invisibility factor. But the Alien is all but invisible in the 1st Alien movie to the crew. They never really see the "monster" until it kills them. It is the play on childhood fear of eerie creepiness and the unseen creature lurking in the shadows and wondering where it is and how to find it. Predator is simply more like the unknown invisible enemy that utilizes the invisibility to hunt, thereby making it a much weaker hunter hiding behind mechanical ingenuity to do it's hunting. Is it scary having an invisible enemy? Yes but Arnold very quickly shows that being invisible can be overcome with some thought and creativity. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 15, 2017 14:05:15 GMT -5
I've never ever really cared for Aliens and any other films under that title; I felt that Predator is more interesting character and having said that it's more chilling because of the invisibility factor. But the Alien is all but invisible in the 1st Alien movie to the crew. They never really see the "monster" until it kills them. It is the play on childhood fear of eerie creepiness and the unseen creature lurking in the shadows and wondering where it is and how to find it. Predator is simply more like the unknown invisible enemy that utilizes the invisibility to hunt, thereby making it a much weaker hunter hiding behind mechanical ingenuity to do it's hunting. Is it scary having an invisible enemy? Yes but Arnold very quickly shows that being invisible can be overcome with some thought and creativity. Doesn't the Gubernator become invisible himself by covering his frame with mud? |
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Post by brutalis on May 15, 2017 14:13:23 GMT -5
But the Alien is all but invisible in the 1st Alien movie to the crew. They never really see the "monster" until it kills them. It is the play on childhood fear of eerie creepiness and the unseen creature lurking in the shadows and wondering where it is and how to find it. Predator is simply more like the unknown invisible enemy that utilizes the invisibility to hunt, thereby making it a much weaker hunter hiding behind mechanical ingenuity to do it's hunting. Is it scary having an invisible enemy? Yes but Arnold very quickly shows that being invisible can be overcome with some thought and creativity. Doesn't the Gubernator become invisible himself by covering his frame with mud? You are correct sir! |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:53:20 GMT -5
I've never ever really cared for Aliens and any other films under that title; I felt that Predator is more interesting character and having said that it's more chilling because of the invisibility factor. But the Alien is all but invisible in the 1st Alien movie to the crew. They never really see the "monster" until it kills them. It is the play on childhood fear of eerie creepiness and the unseen creature lurking in the shadows and wondering where it is and how to find it. Predator is simply more like the unknown invisible enemy that utilizes the invisibility to hunt, thereby making it a much weaker hunter hiding behind mechanical ingenuity to do it's hunting. Is it scary having an invisible enemy? Yes but Arnold very quickly shows that being invisible can be overcome with some thought and creativity. You made very compelling thoughts here and shows that your insights are right on the money. But, in Aliens ... I thought it was too creepy and it's never, ever embraced me as the Predator and that's why I like the Predator better than Aliens. Aliens was too dark of a movie to begin with and because of that - I never, ever enjoyed those movies at all. Your last point about Arnold is right on the nose and that how you can overcome the terror of the Predator because Arnold's uses some thought and creativity by using mud all over him to destroy it. |
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Post by Confessor on May 17, 2017 18:49:19 GMT -5
The original Alien is an absolute masterpiece of dark, squalid, psycho-sexual sci-if horror. Just an incredible film and, let's be honest, is -- along with Blade Runner -- the reason anybody is still at all interested in what Ridley Scott is doing. The follow-up was a good sci-if action thriller, for sure, but it was also just another sci-if, action thriller. The original is something really, really special.
Subsequent instalments in the Alien franchise have ranged from the "better than you remember it" Alien 3 to the abysmal Alien Resurrection. Prometheus was OK, but felt disappointingly "Hollywood".
I saw the first Predator film and thought that it was utter c**p. Just as c**p as any of Arnold Schwarzenegger's other films, in fact. I have zero interest in the Predetor franchise, even when it crosses over with Alien.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 13:56:07 GMT -5
Alien was OK - I'm not a big horror fan, so it did the horror thing and made a good job of it, but meh. Also the chest burster scene with the muppet alien was just hilarious, which rather spoilt the grandeur of the scene. Seen it once, have no desire to see it again.
Aliens was fantastic, iconic and survives multiple re-watches.
Alien 3 was completely spoiled for me by newspapers in the run up, and wasn't a very good film, though not as bad as it generally regarded.
Alien Resurrection also isn't as bad as it's generally regarded, but is deeply flawed, notable the 3rd act, which is just dreadful, especially the hybrid Alien aka the big walking poo.
Haven't seen Prometheus or the new one, and no great interest in doing so.
Predator was an Arnold film - you either like them or you don't. It's utter nonsense, but rollercoaster enjoyable.
Predator 2 was drivel.
Alien v Predator was a war crime. Haven't seen any of the others in that series, thankfully.
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Post by Warmonger on May 23, 2017 19:56:32 GMT -5
Alien was OK - I'm not a big horror fan, so it did the horror thing and made a good job of it, but meh. Also the chest burster scene with the muppet alien was just hilarious, which rather spoilt the grandeur of the scene. Seen it once, have no desire to see it again. Aliens was fantastic, iconic and survives multiple re-watches. Alien 3 was completely spoiled for me by newspapers in the run up, and wasn't a very good film, though not as bad as it generally regarded. Alien Resurrection also isn't as bad as it's generally regarded, but is deeply flawed, notable the 3rd act, which is just dreadful, especially the hybrid Alien aka the big walking poo. Haven't seen Prometheus or the new one, and no great interest in doing so. Predator was an Arnold film - you either like them or you don't. It's utter nonsense, but rollercoaster enjoyable. Predator 2 was drivel. Alien v Predator was a war crime. Haven't seen any of the others in that series, thankfully. Totally agree I like the first Alien, but Aliens might make my Top 5 favorite movies list. Great action, great tension, great characters, the pulse rifles are incredibly awesome and Sigourney Weaver turned Ripley into the most badass action heroine in history. She makes most male action heroes look like chumps in comparison. Hated Alien 3 (a big part being what they did to Hicks and Newt) and Resurrection despite not being necessarily good, at least didn't take itself too seriously. Was a decent, fun action movie. And as for Arnold, well, I love just about everything he did in the 80's and early 90's. Sure, 90% of his movies were 80's action schlock to the max, but no one could do it better than Arnie. |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on May 26, 2017 20:53:18 GMT -5
The first two Alien films and the first Predator film is really good. I actually enjoyed Predators that came out a few years ago. I've always liked the Predator franchise more.
The Alien films have become way too convoluted and just seem to have gotten way of course. I just saw Alien Covenant the other day and it essentially double downed on what happened in Prometheus. I really felt short changed. Also, the characters were really, really dumb with their decision making in that movie.
I am hoping the new Predator film that in development by Shane Black is really good. Not sure if there is an interesting story to be told though with that franchise. Another group of people being picked off one by one for sport isn't going to be fresh.
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