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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 24, 2014 19:53:29 GMT -5
I re-read Infinite Crisis and when it came out, i thought it was riveting. Upon reading it again, I thought it was crap. What book or run did you like only to read it later on and become disappointed?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 24, 2014 20:29:44 GMT -5
Secret Society of Super-Villains. Loved it when I was 11. In retrospect...a directionless mess.
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Post by fanboystranger on Aug 24, 2014 20:40:49 GMT -5
Camelot 3000 best fits the bill for me. Absolutely loved it the first time I had read it, but each subsequent time, I find it so melodramatic and clumsy in its handling of pretty much every character's interaction, and so much of the symbolism (despite some Arthurian bonafides) is just way too on the nose and overwrought. I still love Bolland's art, but Barr's end hasn't aged all that well for me. (I've always liked Mike's work, but Camelot 3000, while important as a landmark on the changing face of comics, does not deserve its reputation.)
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 24, 2014 20:49:40 GMT -5
Camelot 3000 best fits the bill for me. Absolutely loved it the first time I had read it, but each subsequent time, I find it so melodramatic and clumsy in its handling of pretty much every character's interaction, and so much of the symbolism (despite some Arthurian bonafides) is just way too on the nose and overwrought. I still love Bolland's art, but Barr's end hasn't aged all that well for me. (I've always liked Mike's work, but Camelot 3000, while important as a landmark on the changing face of comics, does not deserve its reputation.) There was nothing resembling a comic shop within 150 miles of me when Camelot 3000 was being published. But when I read it a few years back it didn't impress me as anything special. A decent book. But not spectacular. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 24, 2014 21:16:15 GMT -5
As a kid I loved Time Spirits, and while I still liked the first couple of issues when I recently re-read the whole series I found the conclusion to be pretty poor.
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 25, 2014 0:30:16 GMT -5
Sadly, 90 percent of British humour comics of the 1970s. There are a few notable exceptions, but it pretty much lives up to the stereotype of kids' comics.  |
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Post by fanboystranger on Aug 25, 2014 9:06:14 GMT -5
Camelot 3000 best fits the bill for me. Absolutely loved it the first time I had read it, but each subsequent time, I find it so melodramatic and clumsy in its handling of pretty much every character's interaction, and so much of the symbolism (despite some Arthurian bonafides) is just way too on the nose and overwrought. I still love Bolland's art, but Barr's end hasn't aged all that well for me. (I've always liked Mike's work, but Camelot 3000, while important as a landmark on the changing face of comics, does not deserve its reputation.) There was nothing resembling a comic shop within 150 miles of me when Camelot 3000 was being published. But when I read it a few years back it didn't impress me as anything special. A decent book. But not spectacular. Yeah, its power has definitely been diminished over time. I'd say it's more an important book because of the terms of its production than an actual good one. In the '80s, though, it was a revelation. Unfortunately, it's very much a transitional work, and the storytelling, despite having some mature themes, still needs to spell everything out as if it's readers were children with no attention span. (Although the delays may have played some role in that, too.) |
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 25, 2014 12:02:40 GMT -5
America vs. the Justice Society, from the early 80s. I happened to see it when I was cleaning the attic and figured I'd enjoy rereading it.
But, oh my gawd! Look, I respect Roy Thomas for all he has done for comics, for Conan and the Kree-Skrull War, and the All-Star Squadron (mostly), and his absolute mad love for the Golden Age, but here was poor OCD/anal/"must... explain... every... little... thing" Roy running amuck in his favorite playground, and he made quite the mud puddle of it.
The plot (Batman accuses the JSA of being Fascist sympathizers) was ludicrous; the dialogue (too much of that "Easy, lad" style; and the art was at best mediocre. Though that and the awful 80s print job were not Roy's fault, I can't imagine the story being any more compelling or sensible had both those factors been improved. It was a chore to fight through to the end of the four issues.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 25, 2014 12:07:06 GMT -5
America vs. the Justice Society, from the early 80s. I happened to see it when I was cleaning the attic and figured I'd enjoy rereading it. But, oh my gawd! Look, I respect Roy Thomas for all he has done for comics, for Conan and the Kree-Skrull War, and the All-Star Squadron (mostly), and his absolute mad love for the Golden Age, but here was poor OCD/anal/"must... explain... every... little... thing" Roy running amuck in his favorite playground, and he made quite the mud puddle of it. The plot (Batman accuses the JSA of being Fascist sympathizers) was ludicrous; the dialogue (too much of that "Easy, lad" style; and the art was at best mediocre. Though that and the awful 80s print job were not Roy's fault, I can't imagine the story being any more compelling or sensible had both those factors been improved. It was a chore to fight through to the end of the four issues. It's atrociously bad. Simply awful. Though I'm not sure for me it's a matter of not holding up. I remember not thinking it was that good while I bought it. But I was an Earth-2 completest at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 12:13:30 GMT -5
America vs. the Justice Society, from the early 80s. I happened to see it when I was cleaning the attic and figured I'd enjoy rereading it. But, oh my gawd! Look, I respect Roy Thomas for all he has done for comics, for Conan and the Kree-Skrull War, and the All-Star Squadron (mostly), and his absolute mad love for the Golden Age, but here was poor OCD/anal/"must... explain... every... little... thing" Roy running amuck in his favorite playground, and he made quite the mud puddle of it. The plot (Batman accuses the JSA of being Fascist sympathizers) was ludicrous; the dialogue (too much of that "Easy, lad" style; and the art was at best mediocre. Though that and the awful 80s print job were not Roy's fault, I can't imagine the story being any more compelling or sensible had both those factors been improved. It was a chore to fight through to the end of the four issues. It's atrociously bad. Simply awful. Though I'm not sure for me it's a matter of not holding up. I remember not thinking it was that good while I bought it. But I was an Earth-2 completest at the time.I originally read that as "I was on Earth-2 at the time" & was very, very interested. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 13:27:41 GMT -5
I find a lot of the Silver & Bronze Age books have some groan worthy dialog or HUGE plot holes but I still enjoy them. In my mind I place them in the context of the time they were written. That helps...
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 25, 2014 13:28:45 GMT -5
America vs. the Justice Society, from the early 80s. I happened to see it when I was cleaning the attic and figured I'd enjoy rereading it. But, oh my gawd! Look, I respect Roy Thomas for all he has done for comics, for Conan and the Kree-Skrull War, and the All-Star Squadron (mostly), and his absolute mad love for the Golden Age, but here was poor OCD/anal/"must... explain... every... little... thing" Roy running amuck in his favorite playground, and he made quite the mud puddle of it. The plot (Batman accuses the JSA of being Fascist sympathizers) was ludicrous; the dialogue (too much of that "Easy, lad" style; and the art was at best mediocre. Though that and the awful 80s print job were not Roy's fault, I can't imagine the story being any more compelling or sensible had both those factors been improved. It was a chore to fight through to the end of the four issues. It's atrociously bad. Simply awful. Though I'm not sure for me it's a matter of not holding up. I remember not thinking it was that good while I bought it. But I was an Earth-2 completest at the time. Y'know, I can't remember what I thought of it when it first came out, but you're right. This should've gone into the thread: "Unreadable at Best." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 13:35:21 GMT -5
At the time Camelot 3000 was amazing. It doesn't hold up because others have improved upon the storytelling technique. I also can overlook Roy Thomas' duds because he kept the Golden Age alive when no one seemed to care (at both DC & Marvel). Plus his All Star Squadron is still one of my favorite series.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 25, 2014 15:14:18 GMT -5
Sadly, 90 percent of British humour comics of the 1970s. There are a few notable exceptions, but it pretty much lives up to the stereotype of kids' comics. I can't say I've read much Beano or Dandy since I was a kid, but my initial response to the question posed by this thread was "any number of Commando war comics that I read as a kid in the late '70s or early '80s." I've been slowley reacquiring some of the issues of Commando that I loved and read over and over as a child, but without exception they do not hold up well to adult eyes. They all invariably have nice artwork, of course, but the plots and dialogue are cringe inducing. So much so, that it's a bit of a head scratcher how D.C. Thompson have managed to have such success in the adult market in recent years with "nostaligia repackagings" of these stories. They really are pretty shitty. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 16:36:17 GMT -5
America vs. the Justice Society, from the early 80s. I happened to see it when I was cleaning the attic and figured I'd enjoy rereading it. But, oh my gawd! Look, I respect Roy Thomas for all he has done for comics, for Conan and the Kree-Skrull War, and the All-Star Squadron (mostly), and his absolute mad love for the Golden Age, but here was poor OCD/anal/"must... explain... every... little... thing" Roy running amuck in his favorite playground, and he made quite the mud puddle of it. The plot (Batman accuses the JSA of being Fascist sympathizers) was ludicrous; the dialogue (too much of that "Easy, lad" style; and the art was at best mediocre. Though that and the awful 80s print job were not Roy's fault, I can't imagine the story being any more compelling or sensible had both those factors been improved. It was a chore to fight through to the end of the four issues. This is getting a collected edition in the next six months. Having never read it, I was looking forward to it. Thanks for the warning. |
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