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Post by kirby101 on Jun 26, 2017 15:19:26 GMT -5
brutalis, Do you mean Kirby's ego, or EGO the Living Planet, who I am pretty sure was Stan?    |
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 26, 2017 22:47:54 GMT -5
However, most licensed comics were done to promote the media property and entice the consumer to go see it. That's why novelizations and comic adaptations generally came out prior to the film release; to whet the appetite. For many, it was their outlet to the property, as the film might not play in their area, or only on a limited engagement. Also, in the days before home video, it was a way to relive the experience. So, in that instance, yes, it is for those who are familiar with the property. Even so, the main focus of a licensed adaptation is to draw in new consumers to the property, whether it is a movie, tv show or toy line. Up to the era of Marvel's 2001's general publication era, most major adaptations were released after the film or TV series release, in some cases, several months later. A few examples: Logan's Run: Film released June 23, 1976. Logan's Run: Comic adaptation #1, published January, 1977. Star Trek: TV series premiered September 8, 1966. Star Trek: Comic adaptation #1 - published July 1967. Jaws 2: Film released June 16, 1978. Marvel Super Special #6 - Jaws 2: published December, 1978. Alien: Film released May 25, 1979. Alien - The Illustrated Story: published June, 1979. Beneath the Planet of the Apes: Film released May 26, 1970. Beneath the Planet of the Apes: published December, 1970. Dark Shadows: TV series premieres June 27, 1966. Dark Shadows: Comic adaptation #1 published March, 1969. Battlestar Galactica: TV pilot premieres September 17, 1978. Marvel Super Special #8 - Battlestar Galactica: published January, 1979. The film or TV series is the product all ancillary material (merchandise) is based on--designed to make money from those already familiar with the film or TV series. Unlike a superhero comic that is completely born on the page, and has to sink or swim as an original creation, adaptations hope to attract people who have experienced and enjoyed the film/TV series. So often, adaptation covers would use blurbs such as "Based on characters from the smash movie!", "Based on the hit film" or "Now, a (fill in the blank) comic!" since it was preaching to the choir--the initiated. Most of the examples above were successful and/or popular enough for comic companies to attempt to cash in on an existing audience. While there are exceptions to publishing habits, it would be easy to name more that followed the film or TV release pattern above. On that note, in the years between its theatrical release and comic adaptation, 2001 the movie was widely known thanks to several theatrical rereleases, and constant TV broadcasts (not to mention it had a good amount of merchandising aimed at children & adults starting in 1968), and was generally considered a cultural phenomenon. So in remembering the 1970s, its difficult to think of the film not being known--even if only by title and a sketchy awareness of plot--by millions. I doubt Marvel was thinking the 2001 Treasury Edition was serving as a prime for some imagined audience who knew nothing of the movie. |
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Post by berkley on Jun 26, 2017 23:33:47 GMT -5
Without having read or heard anything about it, I always kind of assumed that Kirby asked to do the 2001 Treasury edition because he loved the film so much. I don't know if a comics version was already in the works and once Marvel got the rights Kirby asked for it, or if he came up with the idea himself and brought it to the higher-ups, but either way, it's only because he was so into the movie that his comicbook take on it is of any interest to me.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 27, 2017 17:17:20 GMT -5
Eternals #3  Ikaris gets a hotfoot and the Devil comes to Manhattan! We pick up as Arishem descends from the Celestial ship and Ajak informs Ikaris that Earth may be f@#$%&! Ikaris asks if they can stay and Ajak tells them that the area will be sealed for 50 years, by the Celestials, while they decide Earth's fate.  Dr Damian urges Ikaris to go and take Margo with him, so that she can have a life, sacrificing himself for further study. Ikaris goes all cave man and carries Margo off, against her will and pushes her into the plane that brought them there. She gets a bit too mouthy and Ikaris psychically slaps her down! Okay, that is a bit facetious; but, Kirby does present Ikaris as a bit of a male chauvinist pig and he does the Eternal equivalent of smacking an overly-emotional female. It's not the most enlightened thing in the world, looking back on it. Not that it advocates violence against women (especially compared to some spanking scenes in past comics); but, it isn't necessarily a step up. Looking at context though, Ikaris is trying to save Margo from being a prisoner, for her own good. She has the right to choose; but, she is acting out of fear for her father, not the realization that she can be of better use on the outside, as they search for a way to prevent or persuade the Celestials from deciding to destroy mankind. Good intentions, not the best method. Margo wakes up to find Ikaris changed into his working duds and shows off his ability to fly the plane mentally, as well as fly, himself. Yeah; you know, I'm not so sure I'd go flying with a guy named Ikaris! While Ikaris is showing off, he gets said hotfoot from a passing Deviant ship, piloted by Kro. Just earlier, Kro is seen chained to what looks like a Kirby version of a whipping post, when he cries out that he can defeat Ikaris and Tode releases him.  I wonder if he was hearing the Allman Brothers, in his head? Kro shows off his Devil face and convinces Tode that he can bring destruction on Ikaris and is sent off, leading to the attack we see later. Ikaris makes it back into the plane and the Deviants target them again, when Ikaris and Margo "pop" out of sight and reappear as a blaze of speeding energy, headed from the upper atmosphere to New York City. When they arrive, Ikaris switches to his civies and heads for the apartment of a friend...  Enter Sersy/Sersi (Kirby goes back and forth, before settling on Sersi), my second favorite Eternal and Kirby's pulchritudinous patron of the arts! Kirby was known to like his women, ..........er, um............ healthy and Sersi is that! I suspect the Eternals and most of the rest of the Marvel Universe kept waiting for that strapless top of hers to slip. Kirby establishes her livelier personality right away, as she longs for the days of the Ancient Greeks and a bacchanalia or two. Well, you know, girl's just wanna have fun... Ikaris makes the introductions and then Kro attacks New York, looking like a weirdly colored evil creature. No, not Trump...  (at least Kro's coloring isn't spray-on) ...though they both have a thing for blondes...  Kro and Thena, sitting in a tree; kay-aye-ess-ess-aye-en-gee... (we'll meet Thena in a couple of issues) More great fun, as we get the sense that Arishem may already have a verdict in mind and the Deviants are getting a bit desperate. Sersi adds a bit of personality and we see the basis for the myths of the Devil, in keeping with the theme that the Deviants and Eternals inspired the mythology of various cultures. We still have no indication that this takes place in the Marvel Universe (since that was not the original intent) and no superheroes come on the scene when Kro attacks New York. Things are still chugging along nicely, as new characters continue to be introduced and the stakes still appear to be very high. Kirby is still cooking with the same magic that infused the 4th World. I leave you with a bit more Sersi...    (John Byrne seemed to enjoy her pulchritudinous proportions) |
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Post by berkley on Jun 27, 2017 17:46:54 GMT -5
Eternals #3 Dr Damian urges Ikaris to go and take Margo with him, so that she can have a life, sacrificing himself for further study. Ikaris goes all cave man and carries Margo off, against her will and pushes her into the plane that brought them there. She gets a bit too mouthy and Ikaris psychically slaps her down! Okay, that is a bit facetious; but, Kirby does present Ikaris as a bit of a male chauvinist pig and he does the Eternal equivalent of smacking an overly-emotional female. It's not the most enlightened thing in the world, looking back on it. Not that it advocates violence against women (especially compared to some spanking scenes in past comics); but, it isn't necessarily a step up. Looking at context though, Ikaris is trying to save Margo from being a prisoner, for her own good. She has the right to choose; but, she is acting out of fear for her father, not the realization that she can be of better use on the outside, as they search for a way to prevent or persuade the Celestials from deciding to destroy mankind. Good intentions, not the best method. Margo wakes up to find Ikaris changed into his working duds and shows off his ability to fly the plane mentally, as well as fly, himself. Yeah; you know, I'm not so sure I'd go flying with a guy named Ikaris! I think Kirby chose that name deliberately and for the reasons you hint at here, as we see in the next issue or two. It's been a few years since I last read this comic, but my impression was that Ikaris's treatment of Margot was more a matter of an Eternal's somewhat condescending attitude towards a young human rather than a male's towards a female. She's such a strong personality, I'm always surprised at how poorly she's often been written by later writers. Gaiman for example, got her all wrong in his miniseries a few years ago, and from what I understand she wasn't handled too well during her 80s or 90s stint in the Avengers either, though I haven't read those issues so can't say for sure. [/quote] |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 27, 2017 18:17:05 GMT -5
Eternals #3 Dr Damian urges Ikaris to go and take Margo with him, so that she can have a life, sacrificing himself for further study. Ikaris goes all cave man and carries Margo off, against her will and pushes her into the plane that brought them there. She gets a bit too mouthy and Ikaris psychically slaps her down! Okay, that is a bit facetious; but, Kirby does present Ikaris as a bit of a male chauvinist pig and he does the Eternal equivalent of smacking an overly-emotional female. It's not the most enlightened thing in the world, looking back on it. Not that it advocates violence against women (especially compared to some spanking scenes in past comics); but, it isn't necessarily a step up. Looking at context though, Ikaris is trying to save Margo from being a prisoner, for her own good. She has the right to choose; but, she is acting out of fear for her father, not the realization that she can be of better use on the outside, as they search for a way to prevent or persuade the Celestials from deciding to destroy mankind. Good intentions, not the best method. Margo wakes up to find Ikaris changed into his working duds and shows off his ability to fly the plane mentally, as well as fly, himself. Yeah; you know, I'm not so sure I'd go flying with a guy named Ikaris! I think Kirby chose that name deliberately and for the reasons you hint at here, as we see in the next issue or two. It's been a few years since I last read this comic, but my impression was that Ikaris's treatment of Margot was more a matter of an Eternal's somewhat condescending attitude towards a young human rather than a male's towards a female. She's such a strong personality, I'm always surprised at how poorly she's often been written by later writers. Gaiman for example, got her all wrong in his miniseries a few years ago, and from what I understand she wasn't handled too well during her 80s or 90s stint in the Avengers either, though I haven't read those issues so can't say for sure. Sersi kind of travels back and forth between ally and bitch, which is part of what makes her interesting. In pro wrestling terms she's a "tweener," someone who falls on both side of the hero/villain dichotomy. That's a dramatic goldmine. Trouble is, too many writers in comics aren't geared towards shades of grey. Part of Hawkeye's charm in the Avengers was that he could be a bit of a Richard, sometimes justifiably, when a starched shirt like Cap got a bit pompous (and he could). I don't think gaiman got The Eternals at all and was massively disappointed by that. When it comes to the Eternals (and 70s Kirby), you have to think opera. Roy Thomas did a pretty decent job of it, when he took up the Eternals storyline, in Thor. It wasn't quite Kirby; but he got more of it than most. Actually, I kind of feel like Roy was one of the few comic writers who could do operatic epic well. |
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Post by brutalis on Jun 28, 2017 8:15:45 GMT -5
. Kro and Thena, sitting in a tree; kay-aye-ess-ess-aye-en-gee... Arishem the Celestial Fonz of outer space. AAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY I really liked the dynamism of Kro/Thena's "doomed" love. How they both see through the outer shell noting the true beauty of the souls within. Always enjoyed Sersi, the Beyonce of Eternals before there was a Beyonce!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 8:40:45 GMT -5
Enter Sersy/Sersi (Kirby goes back and forth, before settling on Sersi), my second favorite Eternal and Kirby's pulchritudinous patron of the arts! Kirby was known to like his women, ..........er, um............ healthy and Sersi is that! I suspect the Eternals and most of the rest of the Marvel Universe kept waiting for that strapless top of hers to slip. Kirby establishes her livelier personality right away, as she longs for the days of the Ancient Greeks and a bacchanalia or two. Well, you know, girl's just wanna have fun... I leave you with a bit more Sersi... (John Byrne seemed to enjoy her pulchritudinous proportions) and I read his New Gods as well ... It appears that he borrowed - I don't know which character came first - but he did Beautiful Dreamer for DC Comics and wondering if he got away in murder doing both of these characters and they look awful alike.    Done by Steve Rude below Copyright Laws are being broken here  ? |
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Post by MDG on Jun 28, 2017 9:37:34 GMT -5
Sersi is a Marvel Character and I read his New Gods as well ... It appears that he borrowed - I don't know which character came first - but he did Beautiful Dreamer for DC Comics and wondering if he got away in murder doing both of these characters and they look awful alike. Copyright Laws are being broken here ? It would be trademark, not copyright, but besides some superficial resemblance, they're totally different characters. If similar-looking characters were violations, what would happen with Chaykin? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 10:39:09 GMT -5
Sersi is a Marvel Character and I read his New Gods as well ... It appears that he borrowed - I don't know which character came first - but he did Beautiful Dreamer for DC Comics and wondering if he got away in murder doing both of these characters and they look awful alike. Copyright Laws are being broken here ? It would be trademark, not copyright, but besides some superficial resemblance, they're totally different characters. If similar-looking characters were violations, what would happen with Chaykin? Thanks MDG! |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 28, 2017 11:29:31 GMT -5
Most comic artists who don't use models tend to produce characters that look a lot alike. You see it all of the time. Looking at some World's Finest issues, Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne often almost looked like twins, except for the glasses. Clint Barton and Steve Rogers might as well have been brothers, with several artists. Given how fast some of these guys had to work, you can understand how they might fall back on a generic look. That's part of what made guys like Paul Gulacy stand out, as his use of models made unique characters. Steve Rude is good at that, though he has some that are more generic. Kirby had plenty who were cut from the same cloth.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 28, 2017 13:12:01 GMT -5
Seeing those gorgeous Kirby pages, I sorely feel the lack of an affordable collection of The Eternals.
I waited too long for the omnibus, which is now priced out of this world; here's hoping that because of the connection with the current crop of movies, Marvel may decide to reprint it.
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Post by brutalis on Jun 28, 2017 14:33:32 GMT -5
Seeing those gorgeous Kirby pages, I sorely feel the lack of an affordable collection of The Eternals. I waited too long for the omnibus, which is now priced out of this world; here's hoping that because of the connection with the current crop of movies, Marvel may decide to reprint it. I missed out on the Omnibus and the TPB's at the time as well. Probably shouldn't tell you but thankfully i found a collected package of all 19 issues and the one annual at my FAVE comic book store here in Phoenix called All About Books and Comics (say thank you for the free plug Alan) last summer. The shop allows consignments where you can sell your collection and the store only takes a small percentage for showcasing/implementing the sale. In this way I managed to get the full collection last summer ( a well read collection but in good condition) for $22. It was worth every penny for such Kirby Goodness wrapped in the wondrous smell of old newsprint comics that I can inhale for days on end. Still hoping for a possible TPB reprinting... |
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Post by String on Jun 28, 2017 14:58:08 GMT -5
She's such a strong personality, I'm always surprised at how poorly she's often been written by later writers. Gaiman for example, got her all wrong in his miniseries a few years ago, and from what I understand she wasn't handled too well during her 80s or 90s stint in the Avengers either, though I haven't read those issues so can't say for sure. I've always found Sersi interesting because she walks that fine line between heroism and self-absorbed desires/needs. I'm not sure about Bryne's handling of her on Avengers but I did like Harras' use of her during his time. The love triangle he worked to establish between her, Dane Whitman, and Crystal was quite good. You may not agree with Harras' motivations that forced the issue somewhat (something about her powers were growing unchecked, making her more violent or something. She forged a mental bond with Dane to help stabilize her, it's been awhile since I read the issues). But I did like how the growing danger forced her emotional hand, can she declare any form of true love for another? Can such love be reciprocated? It was some good drama that I think has held up well over the years. Your mileage may vary though. |
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Post by String on Jun 28, 2017 15:02:11 GMT -5
Seeing those gorgeous Kirby pages, I sorely feel the lack of an affordable collection of The Eternals. I waited too long for the omnibus, which is now priced out of this world; here's hoping that because of the connection with the current crop of movies, Marvel may decide to reprint it. Yeah, the collections are way over-priced nowadays (even Thomas' Thor/Eternals epic 2 volume collections are the same way). New printings would be appreciated. Till then though, comixology has finally added the entire series, the first volume being offered on Unlimited for free as well. |
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