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Post by Hoosier X on Aug 30, 2014 12:10:24 GMT -5
I voted for The Fantastic Four.
I was tempted to vote for Kamandi, but I've read every Kirby FF and I've been a big fan since I read bunches of Kirby reprints in the 1970s. My Kamandi fanaticism is a relatively new thing, and I've only read about half of them. (And, yes, I am angry at my younger self for passing on Kamandi in the 1970s.)
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Post by DubipR on Aug 30, 2014 14:45:02 GMT -5
I didn't vote yet, but all of the Fourth World characters would get my ballot. I love the concept; so brilliant and just lively characters.
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Post by berkley on Aug 30, 2014 19:29:52 GMT -5
I didn't vote yet, but all of the Fourth World characters would get my ballot. I love the concept; so brilliant and just lively characters. Which is why it's so sad that so few people at DC have ever shown any appreciation for the depth and richness of that concept and those characters. What I've seen of its current treatment in things like Azarrello's Wonder Woman is appallingly shallow. And from the descriptions I've read of the upcoming Green Lantern "event" the situation isn't about to improve any time soon. Same with the Eternals at Marvel, except they're more often than not just completely ignored. |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 31, 2014 19:41:43 GMT -5
I think Grant's setting to give them the exalted state they deserve.
By next year we should hopefully have a great New Gods title.
I'm liking Forever People too, whom I've never really liked much before.
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Post by berkley on Sept 1, 2014 0:15:40 GMT -5
I think Grant's setting to give them the exalted state they deserve. By next year we should hopefully have a great New Gods title. I'm liking Forever People too, whom I've never really liked much before. Really, is there supposed to be a New Gods series next year? I'm afraid I can't agree with you on Grant Morrison's various New Gods efforts. Morrison seems to be much too in love with DCU as a whole and its most popular superheroes in particular to ever write a real New Gods story: almost everything he's done in that vein has turned out to be - or, more often, started off as, right off the bat - a Superman or Batman or JLA story, in which the New Gods are just there to make the superheroes seem more impressive, e.g. the scene in his JLA run with Batman saying "Boo!" to Metron. His Seven Soldiers Mister Miracle came closest to a genuine attempt to write a New Gods story but even that was just a minor part of the bigger tapestry of that series. To do the Fourth World justice it has to be the tapestry - the larger background against which the narrative plays out. And of course in an actual New Gods book it would be the foreground as well. Didio's various Kirby revivals look pretty dismal to me. This whole new take with Highfather being a kind of Machiavellian schemer not all that different from Darkseid himself is ridiculously misguided and can only spring from an abysmal ignorance of and/or disinterest in the whole FW concept as it was unfolded in the pages of Kirby's original stories. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 0:49:08 GMT -5
I think Grant's setting to give them the exalted state they deserve. By next year we should hopefully have a great New Gods title. I'm liking Forever People too, whom I've never really liked much before. Really, is there supposed to be a New Gods series next year? I'm afraid I can't agree with you on Grant Morrison's various New Gods efforts. Morrison seems to be much too in love with DCU as a whole and its most popular superheroes in particular to ever write a real New Gods story: almost everything he's done in that vein has turned out to be - or, more often, started off as, right off the bat - a Superman or Batman or JLA story, in which the New Gods are just there to make the superheroes seem more impressive, e.g. the scene in his JLA run with Batman saying "Boo!" to Metron. His Seven Soldiers Mister Miracle came closest to a genuine attempt to write a New Gods story but even that was just a minor part of the bigger tapestry of that series. To do the Fourth World justice it has to be the tapestry - the larger background against which the narrative plays out. And of course in an actual New Gods book it would be the foreground as well. Didio's various Kirby revivals look pretty dismal to me. This whole new take with Highfather being a kind of Machiavellian schemer not all that different from Darkseid himself is ridiculously misguided and can only spring from an abysmal ignorance of and/or disinterest in the whole FW concept as it was unfolded in the pages of Kirby's original stories. For me the difference boils down to Kirby writing mythology, where beings can be pure good because they are archetypes, and still be interesting, and Didio more interested in writing soap opera-ish drama where characters have to plot and scheme to create (melo-)drama and carry the story. That's Didio's background and it shows in everything he has a hands on role in, and it's just a bad fit (in my eyes) for the Fourth World characters. Didio is trying to squash square pegs into round holes because he fervently believes those round holes are the best way to do comics and no other options are on the table for him as being viable options ever. -M |
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 1, 2014 7:59:56 GMT -5
I think Grant's setting to give them the exalted state they deserve. By next year we should hopefully have a great New Gods title. I'm liking Forever People too, whom I've never really liked much before. Really, is there supposed to be a New Gods series next year? I'm afraid I can't agree with you on Grant Morrison's various New Gods efforts. Morrison seems to be much too in love with DCU as a whole and its most popular superheroes in particular to ever write a real New Gods story: almost everything he's done in that vein has turned out to be - or, more often, started off as, right off the bat - a Superman or Batman or JLA story, in which the New Gods are just there to make the superheroes seem more impressive, e.g. the scene in his JLA run with Batman saying "Boo!" to Metron. His Seven Soldiers Mister Miracle came closest to a genuine attempt to write a New Gods story but even that was just a minor part of the bigger tapestry of that series. To do the Fourth World justice it has to be the tapestry - the larger background against which the narrative plays out. And of course in an actual New Gods book it would be the foreground as well. Didio's various Kirby revivals look pretty dismal to me. This whole new take with Highfather being a kind of Machiavellian schemer not all that different from Darkseid himself is ridiculously misguided and can only spring from an abysmal ignorance of and/or disinterest in the whole FW concept as it was unfolded in the pages of Kirby's original stories. Berk, it's only my speculation, but it feel pretty strongly that's where DC is going and with this re calibration of the Multiverse, the New Gods are in a super class above, as they should be. Time will tell. Good do points about Didio's approach. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 1, 2014 8:25:36 GMT -5
Really, is there supposed to be a New Gods series next year? I'm afraid I can't agree with you on Grant Morrison's various New Gods efforts. Morrison seems to be much too in love with DCU as a whole and its most popular superheroes in particular to ever write a real New Gods story: almost everything he's done in that vein has turned out to be - or, more often, started off as, right off the bat - a Superman or Batman or JLA story, in which the New Gods are just there to make the superheroes seem more impressive, e.g. the scene in his JLA run with Batman saying "Boo!" to Metron. His Seven Soldiers Mister Miracle came closest to a genuine attempt to write a New Gods story but even that was just a minor part of the bigger tapestry of that series. To do the Fourth World justice it has to be the tapestry - the larger background against which the narrative plays out. And of course in an actual New Gods book it would be the foreground as well. Didio's various Kirby revivals look pretty dismal to me. This whole new take with Highfather being a kind of Machiavellian schemer not all that different from Darkseid himself is ridiculously misguided and can only spring from an abysmal ignorance of and/or disinterest in the whole FW concept as it was unfolded in the pages of Kirby's original stories. Berk, it's only my speculation, but it feel pretty strongly that's where DC is going and with this re calibration of the Multiverse, the New Gods are in a super class above, as they should be. Time will tell. Good do points about Didio's approach. I never thought it was a good idea to include the fourth world books into the DC universe . They come off as second bananas to Superman and other heroes. Where as, In Marvel, you clearly see Asgard as much more powerful than the Marvel Universe. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 1, 2014 9:27:51 GMT -5
I agree, 'bone. That's why there's no mention of the New Gods in "Lash House." They simply don't exist in that reality (or if they do, they never interact with the people of Earth).
Cei-U!
I summon the conspicuous absence!
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 1, 2014 9:44:39 GMT -5
Berk, it's only my speculation, but it feel pretty strongly that's where DC is going and with this re calibration of the Multiverse, the New Gods are in a super class above, as they should be. Time will tell. Good do points about Didio's approach. I never thought it was a good idea to include the fourth world books into the DC universe . They come off as second bananas to Superman and other heroes. Where as, In Marvel, you clearly see Asgard as much more powerful than the Marvel Universe. I think you've nailed it. Thats where the New Gods are going. New Gods >>>>> Superheroes >>>>>>>> mere mortals |
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