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Post by benday-dot on Sept 4, 2014 16:22:56 GMT -5
If we do perchance look ahead to the Atlas output of the 50's, we are presented with a whole array of often overlooked or overshadowed gems.
I think the "the throw everything at the wall" approach that Phil talks about really paid off in the horror genre, in particular, that Atlas jumped upon following the notable EC success in the area.
Not as all out classy or brilliant as the EC stuff (and all these years later it is ironic indeed applying those adjectives to the once pilloried and degraded publisher), or even as well known or coveted as some of the second tier companies out there like Harvey, or even Key, Comic Media and the ilk, which made a name for themselves through their outrageous covers.
But look inside those early Strange Tales, Journey into Mystery, Menace and other titles and you get a rich array of the leading freelance talent of the day. Besides the great Bill Everett, there is Gene Colan, Russ Heath, Manny Stallman, John Severin, Bernie Krigstein, Al Williamson, Vic Carabotta, Joe Maneely, Bob Fujitani and many others. There was some truly terrific art in those 50's Atlas books.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Sept 4, 2014 17:21:22 GMT -5
If we do perchance look ahead to the Atlas output of the 50's, we are presented with a whole array of often overlooked or overshadowed gems. I think the "the throw everything at the wall" approach that Phil talks about really paid off in the horror genre, in particular, that Atlas jumped upon following the notable EC success in the area.
Great post, -dot (can I call you -dot? ). It's indisputable that history has been kinder to EC's horror output, but Bill Gaines' famous testimony taking credit for Horror comics and inventing the genre was largely the result of amphetamines and an empty stomach. It's demonstrably false, though Gaines himself probably believed it. Timely/Atlas entered the Horror game nearly two years before the "New Trend," and they didn't invent it either. It's disputed to this day, but Avon probably published the first true Horror comic. YMMV.
Totally agree. Many of those publishers delivered on the interiors as well, with torture, bondage, decapitations, injuries to eyes, dismemberment, people melted alive or doused in acid lovingly depicted in ways that would make the Marquis de Sade blanch. Atlas tended to be heavier on atmosphere and softer on overt violence, though there were numerous exceptions.
Atlas really deserves its own thread. There's the old canard that if not for two poor decisions, a business one by Martin Goodman and a fatal one by Joe Maneely, the Marvel Age would have looked VERY different.
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 4, 2014 17:31:48 GMT -5
Despite what I said earlier about Timely, I agree Atlas definitely has some overlooked material there, especially the horror and monster stuff.
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 4, 2014 17:50:09 GMT -5
Atlas also published some of the best war comics of the 50s. For example, I've read that the best work of Paul Reinman's career was in Atlas war comics of the mid-50s.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 19:29:27 GMT -5
Another YES for the different genres that Atlas/Marvel tried that worked in the 50's.
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Post by benday-dot on Sept 4, 2014 19:51:04 GMT -5
Great post, -dot (can I call you -dot? ). It's indisputable that history has been kinder to EC's horror output, but Bill Gaines' famous testimony taking credit for Horror comics and inventing the genre was largely the result of amphetamines and an empty stomach. It's demonstrably false, though Gaines himself probably believed it. Timely/Atlas entered the Horror game nearly two years before the "New Trend," and they didn't invent it either. It's disputed to this day, but Avon probably published the first true Horror comic. YMMV. Thanks for clarifying Phil. I guess I drank the Gaines Kool-Aid as well, assuming EC preceded Atlas into the horror genre. I knew of course about the single Avon book "Eerie Comics", and the other landmark, as you would know, would be the American Comics Group "Adventure Into The Unknown #1, usually credited as the first horror comic from an ongoing series. This was always comparable in my mind, as I studied history, as to to got the dibs on the first European settlement in North America. We got your St. Augustine, Fl. and your Jamestown, Va, and then sandwiched in between your Port Royal, in my home province, but it was soon burned down so it is more like Eerie Comics #1, then still trumping them all you see Columbus in Hispaniola, but even he was johnny-come-lately compared to the vikings in Newfoundland, or do you discount the legends of Irish monks and Arthurian grail legends... sorry colossal digression!
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Post by MDG on Sept 7, 2014 9:02:38 GMT -5
When I first started getting into comic history in the 70s, there was a kind of acceptance that all of the horror comics besides ECs were dreck. But while ECs were probably the most consistent on quality and generally better written, other companies had some good and interesting artwork. Maneely's, especially, has been a revelation as I've seen his work on the internet.
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