the term Cis has been used pejoratively and viciously by people whom rail against ‘traditional gender pronoun-usage’, in a pejorative and vicious manner.

hypocrisy doesn’t make a case for any argument.

The current use/misuse/abuse of ‘cis’ is not only hypocritical, it’s a waste of potential achievement of ‘claimed goals’ by the people whom use ‘cis’ venomously towards ‘cis’ people, and in fact, presumed’ cis people.

Often by people whom ARE cis-people. Hello, Felarca-followers.

As for myself, I’ve heard ‘cis’ used with care, in the interest of inclusion, which was supposed to be what political correctness was all about.

Until youtube proved that people too lazy, indolent, or untalented could gain fame/notoriety they didn’t want to work for or earn, by merely screaming at people and/or physically harming people. *

This has led to a specific confrontation (then altercation) between a male African American cis-male (or straight, or hetero, if he prefers) cyber-journalist and a non-cis BAMN Brat whom may have been Intersex, or may have been in Transition [unknown at this time].

Either one could have asked the other for an interview. Even a feisty interview. But an interview, versus a fracas.

But no. Both had to set up things from both sides to instigate a game of ‘Chicken’ to see who physicaly-assualts-whom-first, clearly weighing up which side would get the most useable youtube-hits.

For myself, I don’t want all of this thread to be overly focussed on ‘cis’ and it’s sociological semiotic value or lack-thereof, but for as long as that sub-topic has steam, and an actual purpose, which can pragmatically help things (and further understanding always does help, and further understanding comes from discussion, rather than brats ‘anti-platforming’ people), it’s great. As an artist/illustrator, also working with sound, I can be enthused or repulsed by phonetics, and to my ear, I’d always rather be called cis, even by a Bamn Brat, than ‘hetero’.

Even if by many LGTBIQA standards and tenets, in many swathes of my life, I’ve NOT been cis.

All your thoughts are, for me, magnificent. I thank you all. Far more tolerance and open-mindedness and acceptance on this board than other … ‘places’.

Big Credit and Kudos to the members and the mods.

Is it wrong that I think that people are overly obsessed with labels? I am very happy for people to live however they want, but do we really have to label everything in such an exacting way?

I really just don't care what you think of yourself or who you sleep with or whatever, as long as you're happy and you're not hurting anyone... I just don't really feel the need to make it a (sometimes literal) federal case.

Take the bathroom issue for example... is there any chance if a transgendered person dressed as a woman goes into a woman's room someone is going to notice or care? I doubt it. Or, we could do the logical thing and just have single person bathrooms with no particular gender assigned. It's exactly the much ado about nothing sort of thing that I feel makes alot of people less tolerant, not because of the person's unique lifestyle, but because they're whining about something everyone deals with.

well, yes and no.  For 'classically straight' people it may not have been needed.  For others whom self-identify in ways that are difficult to type here in a way that maintains the 'PG' rating (so I won't try until I figure out a fluid way to do so), the term cis was welcomed to an extent.  It's simply more pleasant on the ear.

btw thanks for your reply, and for being one of the most even-handed and considerate mods I've seen in decades.  And I was a mod at one time (for non-comics-specific-media)

I thought your reply was empathetic* and considered, respectful to those reading this thread but whom might not reply, and therefore not long-winded, but instead, as long as needed to be in order to respect people like the young woman you referenced [context is everything], while short enough to Gore Vidal/Oscar Wilde approved.  

Thank you.  

just you wait.    kidding (i hope).

I wouldn't have  problem with it all if the list of pronouns were not so abstruse, bordering on arcane, then made purposefully-difficult for people older than millenials to find/learn/ accept-or-reject.

Setting people up for 'getting in trouble' on this issue is like make making all complaints about people getting screwed on old-age pensions only possible via web-sites/digital communication vs. the landline phones, when so many people with old-age pensions suffer hands that can't handle the manual-demands of digital communication.

As was brought home anew in the recent book I read on Jones, The Road to Jonestown.

Interesting how retrospectives on Harvey Milk & George Moscone usually overlook their friendship with Jones, though as you indicate he didn't go waaaaaay off the rails till fairly late in the game. I mean, he was off the rails from the beginning, but for most of his life you could at least hear the faint echo of the train whistle way off in the distance if you really concentrated ...

I'd forgetten it, but the book cited above notes that in the immediate aftermath of the murders of Milk & Moscone, some feared they were killed by vengeful People's Temple remnants.