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Post by shaxper on Jul 25, 2017 10:21:25 GMT -5
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Post by MDG on Jul 25, 2017 10:39:24 GMT -5
If you count undergrounds, then this: The first underground in actual comic format that I bought was... The first "independent" was probably... Why? I didn't feel I was getting anything "new" out of newsstand books, and I wasn't particularly interested in superheroes.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 25, 2017 10:48:04 GMT -5
Depends on your definition. When I was a kid, beginning to read comics, the mainstream included Archie, Harvey, Western (Gold Key), Dell (split from Western), Charlton, DC and Marvel. The non-mainstream, by that definition would be Warren and the Undergrounds. By that, it would have been when I flipped through an issue of Creepy, while I was in the hospital (my roommate had that, while I had a Teen Titans issue and we swapped), in the mid to late 70s.
I read Gold Key, Harvey, Archie, and Charlton from around the same time as Dc and Marvel. Gold key before, since Uncle Scrooge and Super Goof were my earliest comics. By the mid-70s, I had read an Atlas/Seaboard (Phoenix #4, the revamp issue), so I was aware that there was another publisher in town. Well, for about a minute, before they closed up.
For what I would really call the Independents, it was 1983, when I went into a local bookstore and discovered they had a comic rack again (they went back and forth with it) and they had a few things from Pacific, the earliest First comics, some Red Circle, Marvel's direct market attempts to flood the stands (the Baxter reprint comics) and the Nexus magazine issues. That was a true revelation of different material, when I was mostly done with DC and Marvel (except for X-Men, New Teen Titans, and Legion of Superheroes and a few issues of Daredevil). I picked up Jon Sable, American Flagg, Mighty Crusaders, Starslayer and flipped through Nexus. The next summer, I was off to college, where I entered my first comic shop, complete with Fanzines, British comics, Eclipse and more. The Union bookstore had Tintin and Asterix, plus Lone Wolf and Cub and some of the First Graphic Novels. I bought the first Calvin & Hobbes collection there. Another bookstore, The Little Professor Bookshop, had RAW magazine and Love & Rockets. I mostly just flipped through those, as I was still mostly in an adventure mindset, until I left college and started trying other things, leading to The Tick, Dark Horse Presents, Grendel, Maze Agency, and Lethargic Lad.
The real watershed was a shop in Charleston, SC, where I was stationed, called The Green Dragon. It was owned and operated by a couple of hippies who threw in all of their interests: comics, graphic novels, role playing game sourcebooks and accessories, New Age books, sci-fi books, pewter fantasy sculptures, incense, and martial arts equipment. Where else could you pick up an issue of Cerebus, a dragon statue, a book about mythology, a volume of the Wild Cards anthology series, a Prince Valiant collection, Pepe Moreno's Zeppelin and a pair of nunchucks? It was there that I picked up the first Cerebus phone book, the Fantagraphics Prince Valiant books, NBM's reprint of Corto Maltese, Catalan Communication translations of European comics, Titan Modesty Blaise reprints, Will Eisner's graphic novels (including a signed & numbered To The Heart of the Storm, and the limited edition hardcover (with slipcase) Monster Society of Evil reprint book ($75, but worth it!!!) From that point on, I was reading more indies (especially when Hellboy and the like came along) than DC or Marvel. I also discovered the Bud Plant Comic Art catalog, at that time, which brought me all kids of great stuff.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 25, 2017 10:49:57 GMT -5
If you count undergrounds I absolutely do. Depends on your definition. When I was a kid, beginning to read comics, the mainstream included Archie, Harvey, Western (Gold Key), Dell (split from Western), Charlton, DC and Marvel. The non-mainstream, by that definition would be Warren and the Undergrounds. I agree. That's why I didn't go with a phrase like "Non-Big Two". Dell Four Color in the 1940s would not be Indy.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 25, 2017 10:58:48 GMT -5
I started on comics in 1989, which was an odd time for Indy books. The immense wave of 1980s Indy publishers was largely on its way out by this point, and Image and Valiant were really going to screw with our understanding of (and appreciation for) Indy publishers a few years down the line. I distinctly recall a massive batch of licensed property books by NOW sitting in the discount bin at my LCS, which pretty much meant I was never going to give them the time of day. The ones I remember most vividly were Speed Racer, which couldn't have seemed less interesting to me. Beyond that, I wasn't really aware of anything beyond DC, Marvel, and Archie at first. Then I got swept up in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles craze. I bought some issues of the Mirage TMNT, though I'm not sure I consider that a true Indy publisher as they only ever had the one successful title, but, as part of that TMNT craze, one LCS I visited while seeing my grandmother was displaying all sorts of b/w Anthropomorphic Indy titles, and I grabbed my first issues of Usagi Yojimbo (published by Fantagraph at the time) because of this. My first true Indy comic (by my own definition). Though I didn't really come to appreciate and love it until decades later, when I re-read it as an adult. Then Valiant came along, and I saw the true potential of an Independent Publisher, not beholden to maintaining a status quo: My first Valiant comic, which I admittedly picked up only because Wizard magazine told me to. Granted, this wasn't a place where creators had carte blanc freedom like I might have seen at Pacific, Comico, or Eclipse a decade earlier, but it was still an alternative to the mainstream that I savored. To this day, I'm not as well versed in Indy classics as I'd like to be, but I understand and respect their potential, and many of them are on my to-read list. In fact, Grimjack is next on my To-Read list, my interest in it stemming out of Ostrander's work on Magnus Robot Fighter and Rai for the aforementioned Valiant Comics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 11:10:37 GMT -5
I had a bunch of Gold Key and Charltons (and Modern Comics reprint editions of Charltons) as a kid in the 70s, but my movement into the indy scene came about because of several factors...but mostly because of Jim Starlin. I was a big fan of Starlin's work on Avengers Annual 7/Marvel Two-in-One Annual 2 as a kid, and when I started buying comics regularly in highschool and buying back issues I sought out Starlin's stuff and came upon Dreadstar. Dreadstar led me to pick up back issues of Epic Illustrated, which introduced me to a whole host of different comic styles and creators. Then Dreadstar moved form Marvel's Epic imprint to First Comics in 1986 and that issue of Dreadstar was the first indy I bought off the racks (I might have gotten the Price GN from Eclipse as a back issue before this I am not sure, Iw as buying up all the Dreadstar I could around this time). Around the same time I also discovered the anthology Anything Goes with the Frank Miller cover on #2 and that too introduced me to a whole host of new stuff. I had also discovered the Marvel/Epic reprints of Elfquest which I ten learned had begun life as an indy and the new mini Siege at Blue Mountain was announced. About this time I also discovered Dark Horse Presents with Paul Chadwick's Concrete and soon I was exploring a whole new world of indy books, and my local shop had a ton of back issues of indy books in bargain bins and I was able to explore lots of things on the cheap, finding things like Usagi in Critters after seeing him in Anything Goes, and on and on. Early Turtles books a schoolmate had were another thing that fueled interest in stuff outside mainstream comics. But it was projects like Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen opening my eyes to the possibility of comics mixed with that Starlin led expedition into Epic Comics and other types of content that brought me into the world of indies and Dreadstar #27 was the first book I bought.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 25, 2017 12:31:08 GMT -5
Good question. I really don't recall my first non-mainstream or non-newsstand comic. It would have been in about 1973. I was going to head shops to buy underground comix two years before I started smoking pot.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 25, 2017 12:38:53 GMT -5
Good question. I really don't recall my first non-mainstream or non-newsstand comic. It would have been in about 1973. I was going to head shops to buy underground comix two years before I started smoking pot. Comix, the gateway to drugs! Holy Kirby, Wertham was right!!!!
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 25, 2017 12:44:05 GMT -5
I started on comics in 1989, which was an odd time for Indy books. The immense wave of 1980s Indy publishers was largely on its way out by this point, and Image and Valiant were really going to screw with our understanding of (and appreciation for) Indy publishers a few years down the line. I distinctly recall a massive batch of licensed property books by NOW sitting in the discount bin at my LCS, which pretty much meant I was never going to give them the time of day. The ones I remember most vividly were Speed Racer, which couldn't have seemed less interesting to me. Beyond that, I wasn't really aware of anything beyond DC, Marvel, and Archie at first. Then I got swept up in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles craze. I bought some issues of the Mirage TMNT, though I'm not sure I consider that a true Indy publisher as they only ever had the one successful title, but, as part of that TMNT craze, one LCS I visited while seeing my grandmother was displaying all sorts of b/w Anthropomorphic Indy titles, and I grabbed my first issues of Usagi Yojimbo (published by Fantagraph at the time) because of this. My first true Indy comic (by my own definition). Though I didn't really come to appreciate and love it until decades later, when I re-read it as an adult. Then Valiant came along, and I saw the true potential of an Independent Publisher, not beholden to maintaining a status quo: My first Valiant comic, which I admittedly picked up only because Wizard magazine told me to. Granted, this wasn't a place where creators had carte blanc freedom like I might have seen at Pacific, Comico, or Eclipse a decade earlier, but it was still an alternative to the mainstream that I savored. To this day, I'm not as well versed in Indy classics as I'd like to be, but I understand and respect their potential, and many of them are on my to-read list. In fact, Grimjack is next on my To-Read list, my interest in it stemming out of Ostrander's work on Magnus Robot Fighter and Rai for the aforementioned Valiant Comics. You didn't miss anything with Now, especially the Speed Racer comics. They hired amateurs at cheap rates and the art reflected it. Back when the Speed Racer live-action movie came out, they reprinted the material in trades, which ended up remaindered and dumped in our bargain section at B&N. We couldn't give that junk away. They tried to make it look like the Tatsunoko cartoon; but, the artists were no Ippei Kuri. Now did have some better material,like when they started up the Green Hornet books. They also hired a young painter to do a Terminator comic. Some long-haired kid named Alex.....something...............
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Jul 25, 2017 12:47:13 GMT -5
By modern standards most of what I read as a kid would be "indy". British weeklies(2000AD, Commando, COR!! and dozens others), war comics, Classics Illustrated, Cheyenne Kid etc The first as a collector was a Underground Book when I was failing college, and then Pacific as I started to diversify my portfolio at the ripe old age of 18 or 19.
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Post by String on Jul 25, 2017 12:56:41 GMT -5
Back then, my LCS was about a half hour away from home. It was mainly a used bookstore owned and operated by a lovely woman named Jean. To supplement her sales, she carried mainstream comics and some indy publishers (along with copious boxes and bins of used/old/back issues). Since it was so far and I had no driver's license yet, I had to wait for Mom to go to Durham and thus could stop by the mall where Jean's bookstore was located. On one trip, I found and bought this: I was looking for and buying up anything I could find related to Robotech. IIRC, in the show's end credits, there's an actual statement of 'Comic adaptions available through Comico'. I'd never heard of Comico. Lo and behold, Jean carried them. From Robotech, I expanded throughout the rest of their quite remarkable line. Though I was aware of several indy publishers, because of my limited ability to travel to Jean's bookstore, I wasn't able to follow any of them consistently. So until I did acquire my driver's license, I bought what I could when I could.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 25, 2017 12:58:41 GMT -5
I think it might have been this one: I was 13 at the time, and I had started reading the books around that point as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 13:10:50 GMT -5
Atlas Comics. Although that was on the news stand. I guess...
First Comics. American Flagg! Nexus. Jon Sable.
DC & Marvel always were the majority of my books but thru the years I read stuff from Archie, Harvey, Dell/Gold Key, Charlton, Atlas, First, Comico, Eclipse, Valiant, Malibu/Ultraverse, Image, Dark Horse...
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 25, 2017 13:22:10 GMT -5
If you count undergrounds, then this: The first underground in actual comic format that I bought was... The first "independent" was probably... Why? I didn't feel I was getting anything "new" out of newsstand books, and I wasn't particularly interested in superheroes. I also bought the last two you posted. I don't remember my first indie, but I am pretty sure I bought it at Comix and Comics in San Francisco in the early 70s. And it probably had something by Corben in it.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 25, 2017 13:56:18 GMT -5
I think it might have been this one: I was 13 at the time, and I had started reading the books around that point as well. If you loved that volume half as much as I do, you must check out the reprint they did for First. Thomas and Russell went back to redo significant portions, and it works so much better. Far superior work, IMHO.
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