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Post by hondobrode on Aug 5, 2017 16:29:59 GMT -5
ouch
Well, it was Comics Code Authority and Sleeze was the bad guy and in the end he was defeated, so yay
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Post by Chris on Aug 5, 2017 17:55:51 GMT -5
When I posted best artist I meant top creator all around. They both co-plotted And wrote as well as, penciled. If writing is in the equation, then I think we have to talk about this:  Here is the Post-Zero Hour, Post-Infinite Crisis, Post-52, Post Rebirth version of that story. It should meet with your approval now.  Or not... |
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Post by Chris on Aug 5, 2017 17:56:40 GMT -5
Speaking of character/personality, I'll never forget meeting George Perez for the first time at Pittsburgh Comicon in 2012 (back before Wizard World bought it out). The dude was repeatedly getting out from behind his table to meet and take pictures with fans (including me):  You look taller on TV. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 5, 2017 18:05:14 GMT -5
Speaking of character/personality, I'll never forget meeting George Perez for the first time at Pittsburgh Comicon in 2012 (back before Wizard World bought it out). The dude was repeatedly getting out from behind his table to meet and take pictures with fans (including me): ...slowing the line to a full blown stop when a kid asked him advice about illustrating, and signing everything thrown in front of him for free. The man was clearly there because he loved meeting fans and for nothing else -- not to make a profit, not to boost his own ego -- while, a few feet away, Stan Lee was charging $90 per autograph (and far more if you wanted a picture). Perez was a class act, and that's something I've heard echoed by others many times. Few people, if any, seem to have anything bad to say about the man beyond his over-committing to projects at times. Byrne, on the other hand... But what about that shirt... |
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Post by String on Aug 5, 2017 19:53:18 GMT -5
To be fair, I've yet to read Byrne's Fantastic Four run, but I think you folks are being overly generous about his work on Superman (this coming from the guy who has intricately studied each and everyone of those stories). Byrne's Superman was anything but remarkable as a character, his stories were often clumsy, his visuals often lazy, and he gave us the Barda/Sleeze storyline. Man of Steel #2 was the most brilliant work Byrne ever did on Superman, but it all went downhill from there. For what it's worth, I thought Byrne's Superman was far inferior to his work on Fantastic Four. I dropped the mag after the man of steel and Superman #1, and the few later issues I got were definitely meh. By contrast, his FF were must-have comics for almost the entire run. Yes, I agree. While there were some hiccups in his FF run, overall I enjoy that far more than his work on Superman. Man of Steel was probably the highlight for me, but even that had it's problems. Like this page from #1, the dialogue of the first panel always makes me cringe.  |
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Post by String on Aug 5, 2017 19:58:48 GMT -5
Speaking of character/personality, I'll never forget meeting George Perez for the first time at Pittsburgh Comicon in 2012 (back before Wizard World bought it out). The dude was repeatedly getting out from behind his table to meet and take pictures with fans (including me): ...slowing the line to a full blown stop when a kid asked him advice about illustrating, and signing everything thrown in front of him for free. The man was clearly there because he loved meeting fans and for nothing else -- not to make a profit, not to boost his own ego -- while, a few feet away, Stan Lee was charging $90 per autograph (and far more if you wanted a picture). Perez was a class act, and that's something I've heard echoed by others many times. Few people, if any, seem to have anything bad to say about the man beyond his over-committing to projects at times. Byrne, on the other hand... But what about that shirt... When I met him, I think he was wearing a Hawaiian shirt. Perez is one of the nicest comic pros that I've ever met. His smile and energy are infectious, you can't help but like the guy. And yes, willing to share and talk about many things. He was one of the highlights of that long exhausting day. |
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Post by berkley on Aug 5, 2017 23:12:32 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I thought Byrne's Superman was far inferior to his work on Fantastic Four. I dropped the mag after the man of steel and Superman #1, and the few later issues I got were definitely meh. By contrast, his FF were must-have comics for almost the entire run. Yes, I agree. While there were some hiccups in his FF run, overall I enjoy that far more than his work on Superman. Man of Steel was probably the highlight for me, but even that had it's problems. Like this page from #1, the dialogue of the first panel always makes me cringe. Anticipates Bendis's dialogue 15 years in advance! |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 6, 2017 0:02:12 GMT -5
it must also be noted that commissions done by Mr. Perez as late as last year have rocked, he still 'has it'.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 6, 2017 0:03:53 GMT -5
Here is the Post-Zero Hour, Post-Infinite Crisis, Post-52, Post Rebirth version of that story. It should meet with your approval now. Or not... This totally made my day, and it's only 1am  |
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Post by tarkintino on Aug 6, 2017 12:04:19 GMT -5
Feel free to examine their entire body of work, LovesGilKane . I find Perez not to be as effective as Bryne in the writing area. Nothing Perez has written can compare to his FF or Superman. Perez certainly blew past Bryne in the artwork side in the 2000's. lol, as a freelancer 70's kid, i read/absorbed ALL work by both. I had to, if i wanted to 'break in'. that's the problem with this thread; it's non-specific as per spefic talents of both creators. in some ways, Perez could never supersede what 'Byrne-ing down the house' (talking heads joke) did with FF. in the 80's. but to be FAIR, Byrne never came close to the humane pathos of Crisis. in the 80's. Some continue to mention volume as some credit to Byrne, but in no way did that mean he was a superior talent. He merely jumped on anything pushed his way, but in all of the work he's churned out, he never created / worked on anything of the scale or importance of Crisis on Infinite Earths. Perez had to handle most of the known DC universe (at the period), capturing vastly different emotional and motivational levels of innumerable characters (a near-impossible challenge which he met masterfully), in addition to capturing the unique visual differences of each character involved (something JB's Byrne-isms failed at constantly). Add that to his other DC work at the time, and his true status cannot be underestimated. Perez was on a rare level Byrne never approached, and again, without his brief period of decent work thanks to Terry Austin's inks, Byrne would never reach that aforementioned rare level. |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 6, 2017 12:31:36 GMT -5
I agree that a lot of the credit Byrne got initially was off of the labors of Terry Austin's inks.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 6, 2017 13:38:42 GMT -5
lol, as a freelancer 70's kid, i read/absorbed ALL work by both. I had to, if i wanted to 'break in'. that's the problem with this thread; it's non-specific as per spefic talents of both creators. in some ways, Perez could never supersede what 'Byrne-ing down the house' (talking heads joke) did with FF. in the 80's. but to be FAIR, Byrne never came close to the humane pathos of Crisis. in the 80's. Some continue to mention volume as some credit to Byrne, but in no way did that mean he was a superior talent. He merely jumped on anything pushed his way, but in all of the work he's churned out, he never created / worked on anything of the scale or importance of Crisis on Infinite Earths. Perez had to handle most of the known DC universe (at the period), capturing vastly different emotional and motivational levels of innumerable characters (a near-impossible challenge which he met masterfully), in addition to capturing the unique visual differences of each character involved (something JB's Byrne-isms failed at constantly). Add that to his other DC work at the time, and his true status cannot be underestimated. Perez was on a rare level Byrne never approached, and again, without his brief period of decent work thanks to Terry Austin's inks, Byrne would never reach that aforementioned rare level. It feels like your being disingenuous to Byrne. He had a lot of success after Austin departed Comics. As for Perez, he was known for doing books that had large casts. Every other artist hated team books. |
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Post by badwolf on Aug 6, 2017 18:08:01 GMT -5
Yes, I agree. While there were some hiccups in his FF run, overall I enjoy that far more than his work on Superman. Man of Steel was probably the highlight for me, but even that had it's problems. Like this page from #1, the dialogue of the first panel always makes me cringe. It looks odd when you point it out, but it's probably a bit that would work better if spoken out loud. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 8:26:10 GMT -5
shaxper ... Great Picture of you and Perez!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 9:27:37 GMT -5
Byrne was also associated with the start of the modern variant cover craze that props up sales in comics these days as many collectors point to Man of Steel #1 as the origin point for this practice, starting there and slowly building form there until it has become what it is today.
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