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Post by masterofquackfu on Aug 13, 2017 6:19:49 GMT -5
So I finally saw Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and found it rather middling like the first film. I still can't relate to the characters and view them as the true GOTG. Starlord, Rocket Raccoon, Groot....were they depicted in some GOTG series that I never read? Gamora and Drax..I think Silver Surfer when I see them. The GOTG that I remember started for me as a young child in Marvel Presents and then in the 90's I was a fan of the revived team at that time. Granted, I didn't stay with the series until it's end..I probably bailed out midway through it. The GOTG that I remember, and will be the true Guardians to me are, Vance Astro, Charlie-27, Martinex, Yondu, Starhawk and Nikki. Never liked Talon, so I don't include him. The depiction of Yondu on the big screen is also pretty abysmal. Here you have a very calm, Buddhist type figure in the the book, but on screen he is depicted as some mercenary redneck. Oh, and I believe Charlie -27 is once again going to be a victim of political correctness because I think Ving Rhames is going to play him in the next film. Sorry, but just as Samuel Jackson will never represent Nick Fury to me, Charlie-27 won't be the same to me. If he is supposed to be Charlie-27...I mean, I don't follow the series or news of the group at all, so it could be I am mistaken. I guess the gist of it is that I simply can't come to terms with the GOTG on the screen versus the comic book. They are two completely different teams. Perhaps someone out there could tell me why the classic team was pretty much neglected through the first 2 films. Any thoughts?
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Post by shaxper on Aug 13, 2017 6:34:09 GMT -5
I think Marvel knew they had more freedom with this property precisely because it's not well known. Personally, I know the early Star-Lord stuff (Englehart, Claremont, and Moench) and the Guardians of the Galaxy who showed up during the Korvac Saga. That's it. And I wasn't particularly attached to those incarnations nor felt they'd do particularly well on the big screen. If there was a definitive Guardians of the Galaxy roster, I don't know it, and I doubt all that many comic fans (let alone movie-goers) do either.
Which is not to say there isn't one, nor that they would have made for a great film. But the team Marvel did choose worked for me, and I don't think there are enough loyal fans of the franchise out there for the studio to really worry about adherence to the source material.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 13, 2017 7:36:09 GMT -5
The team from the movies is the second Guardians of the Galaxy line-up, which debuted in comic book form in 2008. Written by Dan Abnett, the series was pretty popular back then and generated some great word of mouth -- I never bought the series myself, but I recall hearing lots of good stuff about it in my local comic shop, back in the day. This is doubtless why Marvel Studios went with this more recent line-up, when doing a film, instead of going with the old late '60s/early '70s roster.
To be honest, I much prefer the newer team, as featured in the films. I found the original line-up as boring as hell and really forgettable. Marvel UK used to feature the original Guardians of the Galaxy as a back up strip in Star Wars Weekly and most weeks I just simply skipped it because it was so dull.
Although I never read the more recent GOTG comics, which the first movie was based on, the characters are straight away much more memorable IMHO.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 13, 2017 8:46:30 GMT -5
I prefer the originals, in the hands of Steve Gerber. It was a nice mix of superheroes and Star Trek (one of the appeals of the Legion of Superheroes). Their Defenders appearances were terrific and the Marvel presents material starts well, but kind of goes off on weird tangents, before wrapping up the big arc. They start out well in the Korvac Saga, then get lost in the shuffle. The Marvel Two-in-One appearances were pretty good. The 90s series, from Jim Valentino had moments, though it was rather inconsistent. Still, that put it way above a lot of Marvel's output of that era.
I read bits and pieces of Star Lord and knew Gamora and Drax in Jim Starlin's better hands. The current team does nothing for me, personally, as it all seems rather derivative. One of the problems of being older than the target audience is that you have to fight the "Been there, read that!" impulse that comes with a lot of comics, to give them a fair shake. Sometimes you can enjoy it as a new take on an old story; others, it just seems like a 5th generation copy. That's Guardians, for me, though others like it. Kind of the same with Star Trek. I enjoy the heck out of the original series; but, have never really warmed up to any of the later series, even Next Gen. Just never had the same feeling.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 13, 2017 9:21:51 GMT -5
None of them are real. They're imaginary characters in funnybooks and now movies. So the "real" Guardians are whichever one you personally enjoy, which frequently equates to the one you encountered first. Like Confessor I always found the original Guardians pretty darn boring. Given that the only time that team was remotely successful was almost certainly because Jim Valentino was a hot commodity at the time we were clearly not alone in that assessment. The movies are big dumb fun popcorn movies...without which the Guardians of the Galaxy would still be a very minor footnote in comic book history that a few hundred people cared about. I enjoyed them and so did my boys. That makes them plenty real enough for me. |
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 13, 2017 10:18:13 GMT -5
I'd love to see an animated movie of the original version, since we're obviously never getting a live action version.
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 13, 2017 11:00:46 GMT -5
I'm with Slam. I never warmed up to the original Guardians (soooo boring) and the later incarnation stars characters I dislike, intensely so in the cases of Starlord, Gamora and Drax. I really enjoyed the first movie, though, and look forward to watching the sequel. I guess that makes the MCU versions "my" Guardians.
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Post by badwolf on Aug 13, 2017 11:09:17 GMT -5
I've only read a bit of the original group but they are the ones I grew up with, so they are the "real" ones to me. But I am able to accept the movies as their own thing, and I have enjoyed them.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 13, 2017 11:58:52 GMT -5
masterofquackfu, the modern Guardians were formed in the Annihilation: conquest event from 2007. Initially, there were pretty much the dirty dozen in space, assembled by the Kree to infiltrate their capital after it had been conquered by a race of robots bent on universal domination (sort of like the Badoon with the original Guardians). There was no connection with the team from the 3000s. The new team started with Star-Lord, who had known a certain success as a supporting character in the first Annihilation event (and had been a minor hero unconnected to the Marvel universe in the '70s). Joining him were a few other B-list characters, mostly unused for many years: Bug and Captain Universe from the Micronauts, Mantis from the Avengers and Silver Surfer, Rocket racoon from Hulk, Groot from the old Atlas monster comics and Deathcry from... from... heck, she's so obscure that I don't even know. She was one of the first casualties anyway. The survivors from that group, at the end of the miniseries, decided to band together (along with better-known but no longer A-list figures like Warlock, Drax, Gamora, Moondragon and Phylla-Vel, daughter of Captain Marvel) to pro-actively protect the galaxy. They gained their own comic, in which the roster changed regularly; characters left or died, others came in, and during that period a time-travel episode allowed the new Guardians to meet the original, who come from an alternate future. One of the original Guardians, Vance Astro, even joined the new team. Said new team is much closer to the concept of "the Avengers in space" than the original one, so I'm not surprised Marvel went for it when the idea for a Guardians of the galaxy movie surfaced. What's more, the new team is much more in tune with what today's audience expect of such an ensemble cast: the roguish scoundrel, the bad-ass lady, the kind-hearted monster, the feisty little guy, the easily-triggered powerhouse... not original, but easy to sell.
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Post by Pat T on Aug 13, 2017 15:32:00 GMT -5
masterofquackfu , the modern Guardians were formed in the Annihilation: conquest event from 2007. Initially, there were pretty much the dirty dozen in space, assembled by the Kree to infiltrate their capital after it had been conquered by a race of robots bent on universal domination (sort of like the Badoon with the original Guardians). There was no connection with the team from the 3000s. The new team started with Star-Lord, who had known a certain success as a supporting character in the first Annihilation event (and had been a minor hero unconnected to the Marvel universe in the '70s). Joining him were a few other B-list characters, mostly unused for many years: Bug and Captain Universe from the Micronauts, Mantis from the Avengers and Silver Surfer, Rocket racoon from Hulk, Groot from the old Atlas monster comics and Deathcry from... from... heck, she's so obscure that I don't even know. She was one of the first casualties anyway. The survivors from that group, at the end of the miniseries, decided to band together (along with better-known but no longer A-list figures like Warlock, Drax, Gamora, Moondragon and Phylla-Vel, daughter of Captain Marvel) to pro-actively protect the galaxy. They gained their own comic, in which the roster changed regularly; characters left or died, others came in, and during that period a time-travel episode allowed the new Guardians to meet the original, who come from an alternate future. One of the original Guardians, Vance Astro, even joined the new team. Said new team is much closer to the concept of "the Avengers in space" than the original one, so I'm not surprised Marvel went for it when the idea for a Guardians of the galaxy movie surfaced. What's more, the new team is much more in tune with what today's audience expect of such an ensemble cast: the roguish scoundrel, the bad-ass lady, the kind-hearted monster, the feisty little guy, the easily-triggered powerhouse... not original, but easy to sell. The new team also had Cosmo the telepathic dog as their leader, and used Knowhere as their base. The Abnett & Lanning series was really entertaining, from Annihilation all the way through Thanos Imperative. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 15:36:53 GMT -5
overheard when someone first read Avengers #16 when it came out: where are the real Avengers? two of these guys I see and think X-Men villains, and another I think Iron Man villain. I don't know why Marvel would put these guys in a book after 15 issues of the real Avengers...
Change is constant. The real ones varies for each person depending on how and when they first encountered a team or a book. Time passes, rosters change, concepts evolve and new sometimes replaces old when old isn't working or selling in comics. Wait long enough the cycle will come back around again. In 15 years when the GotG are completely different again, someone will asl where are the real GotG referring to the 2008 vintage team that debuted in Annihilation with Rocket, Groot and crew.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 13, 2017 15:55:01 GMT -5
In 15 years when the GotG are completely different again, someone will asl where are the real GotG referring to the 2008 vintage team that debuted in Annihilation with Rocket, Groot and crew. Well, they were there first! (2008 vs the 30th century!)  |
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Post by berkley on Aug 13, 2017 19:16:25 GMT -5
As far as the comics go, "Guardians of the Galaxy" means the characters I first read in the Gerber Defenderts. Not that I was such a rabid fan of them but that's the picture that springs to mind when I hear the phrase.
But I think of the movies as a completely separate thing so didn't have any particular expectations about who would be on the team, etc. I do find the Englehart Star-Lord more interesting than the movie version, and the Englehart Mantis about a million times more interesting than the movie character, the Englehart Moondragon more interesting than the one in the recent Guardians comic, etc, etc. I even like the Yondu of the 70s comics beterr than the movie one. But none of that spoiled the movie for me, though I have to say Mantis came close - what were they thinking?!!
I'll try those Dan Abnett Guardians Annihilation, etc stories one day - but they're all so long and spread out, it's hard to know where to start.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 14, 2017 7:44:53 GMT -5
Don't know who the 'real' Guardians would be, but 'my' Guardians are the team from the 1970s, with the most memorable stories written by Steve Gerber in Defenders and Marvel Presents, as well as their later appearances in the Korvac saga in Avengers, Marvel 2-in-1 and Marvel Team-up.
That said, without knowing anything about the most recent incarnation of the team, to say nothing of the newer incarnations of Star Lord, Rocket Raccoon, Gamora and Drax, in the comics, I *loved* the movies - I just found their mixture of space opera and sitcom incredibly entertaining.
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