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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 14, 2017 8:35:35 GMT -5
RR pretty much summarized my take on the GotG as far as their history. Each of the characters I knew to varying degrees. From the initial team Star Lord lead in Annihilation Conquest (Deathcry appeared in Avengers Vol. 1 #363) to the later team in Annihilation Conquest to the actual team in the self titled GotG, I had ran into all these characters in my lust of cosmic Marvel. Some by chance, Bug, (who also has self title one-shot in 1997) Cap Universe, Deathcry, and Groot. Others by seeking them out Rocket, Warlock, Gamora, Drax, Silver Surfer and Mantis. All these characters meant something to me in some way, even if it was the memory of the book I bought more so than the character themselves.
I've read some or the first self title GotG team. Maybe the first 25 or so issues, I think I have. I've been inactively collecting the whole series over the years when I find them in $1 bins and what not. I had no idea that these characters were in Marvel prior to their own series. I bought a few late issue in the #50's from the newsstand when I started buying comics. But it wasn't till much later (but still before Annihilation) that I decided to read more of the team. They are by far not as interesting as the Annihilation Conquest team or Abnett & Lanning's GotG (I cannot believe Marvel handed Bendis GotG smh) but they are still interesting enough to read.
As far as the movie, as much as I really did like the first one (and have yet to see the second one) I fear a taking of this team from a cool and laid back team of different characters of varying personalities, to a slap stick cosmic Three Stooges. The team in Annihilation Conquest, and even in Abnett & Lanning's GotG are by no means all "by the books" super serious Batman, but their by no mean the comic relief of the Marvel Universe. If anything the original Annihilation Conquest team couldn't manage to get their mission done because they were too busy fighting with each other. Groot and Rocket were the only two that got along from the start.
Anyway, yeah my GotG are the new team, but to me they are not new characters. Just characters thrown together to form a new team. Plus as much as Drax pre-Annihilation was fun as a tool used in Starlin and other's writing of his role to destroy Thanos, it was nice to see him get a more deeper revamp. The 2005 Drax the Destroyer 4 issue mini series is a good read, to learn about his revamp within Marvel from what he was before. Plus the Blood Brothers are in. I mean who doesn't want to see Drax square off with the infamous Blood Brothers. (Please tell me ya'll know the first comic The Blood Brothers were in.)
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 14, 2017 10:28:34 GMT -5
The team in Annihilation Conquest, and even in Abnett & Lanning's GotG are by no means all "by the books" super serious Batman, but their by no mean the comic relief of the Marvel Universe. If anything the original Annihilation Conquest team couldn't manage to get their mission done because they were too busy fighting with each other. Groot and Rocket were the only two that got along from the start. DnA's Guardians are the only ones I'm interested in, in all honesty. The original team were interesting enough as supporting characters in Avengers and Defenders, but they were pretty generic. I didn't read more than a few issues of their title in the '90s, and didn't much care for the "XXX century versions of assorted XX century characters" approach. DnA's Guardians had humour, but it took its story seriously. I loved the Lovecraftian aspects that were brought in at the very end of the run, right before it was being cancelled... That had so much potential. The new iteration of Warlock was also a great mix of his earlier incarnations, too: he was once again naive, powerful, mysterious and potentially dangerous. Bendis's version, from the little I've read, is typical Bendis. He took characters he clearly wasn't familiar with and imposed his off the cuff interpretations on the readers. Peter became an irresponsible womanizer, he and Gamora uncharacteristically developed a bond, Rocket Raccoon forgot was a raccoon was, and the entire complex supporting theatre created by DnA was dumped so the Guardians could become the Space Avengers. Naturally enough, thinks my inner cynic, this watered-down version was much more popular than the rich run that preceded it. Oh, the agony! |
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 14, 2017 11:09:47 GMT -5
adam: Like Thanos, The Blood Brothers debuted in Iron Man #55.
Cei-U!
I summon the citation!
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 14, 2017 11:31:03 GMT -5
Still love the original team, though the only series of theirs that I really enjoyed was the Gerber one, also enjoyed the Abnett/Lanning version, can't stand them since Bendis got his hands on them. I' particularly annoyed at the way Starlord and Rocket are now totally unrecognizable.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 14, 2017 11:39:57 GMT -5
The team in Annihilation Conquest, and even in Abnett & Lanning's GotG are by no means all "by the books" super serious Batman, but their by no mean the comic relief of the Marvel Universe. If anything the original Annihilation Conquest team couldn't manage to get their mission done because they were too busy fighting with each other. Groot and Rocket were the only two that got along from the start. DnA's Guardians are the only ones I'm interested in, in all honesty. The original team were interesting enough as supporting characters in Avengers and Defenders, but they were pretty generic. I didn't read more than a few issues of their title in the '90s, and didn't much care for the "XXX century versions of assorted XX century characters" approach. DnA's Guardians had humour, but it took its story seriously. I loved the Lovecraftian aspects that were brought in at the very end of the run, right before it was being cancelled... That had so much potential. The new iteration of Warlock was also a great mix of his earlier incarnations, too: he was once again naive, powerful, mysterious and potentially dangerous. Bendis's version, from the little I've read, is typical Bendis. He took characters he clearly wasn't familiar with and imposed his off the cuff interpretations on the readers. Peter became an irresponsible womanizer, he and Gamora uncharacteristically developed a bond, Rocket Raccoon forgot was a raccoon was, and the entire complex supporting theatre created by DnA was dumped so the Guardians could become the Space Avengers. Naturally enough, thinks my inner cynic, this watered-down version was much more popular than the rich run that preceded it. Oh, the agony! I will agree with you that the GotG in their own series biggest con was that they were too generic. It's one of the things that really made the Star-Lord mini one of the best four comics ever printed. Was all the characters selected for that team were different, obscure, and could be made to be interesting due to their limited backgrounds in previous comics. As far as the DnA team, there were more established between Annihilation Conquest, and the other's being more well known. And that is what I like most about DnA's team. Much like Starlin, who even used Pip in both an actual role to help and as the comic relief to lighten the mood. His hedonistic traits are different from Drax's single mind, and Gamora not wanting to even stand next to him in her disgust for him. At least at first. But they meld together as a team, just like DnA does with GotG. They are just as stellar at cosmic as Starlin, for me. Oh god that Bendis stuff sounds awful. Turn cosmic guardians into General Hospital in Space. Ugh. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 14, 2017 11:51:30 GMT -5
DnA's Guardians are the only ones I'm interested in, in all honesty. The original team were interesting enough as supporting characters in Avengers and Defenders, but they were pretty generic. I didn't read more than a few issues of their title in the '90s, and didn't much care for the "XXX century versions of assorted XX century characters" approach. DnA's Guardians had humour, but it took its story seriously. I loved the Lovecraftian aspects that were brought in at the very end of the run, right before it was being cancelled... That had so much potential. The new iteration of Warlock was also a great mix of his earlier incarnations, too: he was once again naive, powerful, mysterious and potentially dangerous. Bendis's version, from the little I've read, is typical Bendis. He took characters he clearly wasn't familiar with and imposed his off the cuff interpretations on the readers. Peter became an irresponsible womanizer, he and Gamora uncharacteristically developed a bond, Rocket Raccoon forgot was a raccoon was, and the entire complex supporting theatre created by DnA was dumped so the Guardians could become the Space Avengers. Naturally enough, thinks my inner cynic, this watered-down version was much more popular than the rich run that preceded it. Oh, the agony! Turn cosmic guardians into General Hospital in Space. Ugh. Wait...I thought that was the entire modus operandi of Marvel Comics. General Hospital with long underwear and fighting. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 14, 2017 12:23:47 GMT -5
Turn cosmic guardians into General Hospital in Space. Ugh. Wait...I thought that was the entire modus operandi of Marvel Comics. General Hospital with long underwear and fighting. If you mean modern day Marvel, you may be right Slam. DnA's GotG is the last new comic series I've read. And that might be in part, due to the fact that I like space operas, but not soap operas. And most of Marvel's new movies I've seen. Not one has really wowed me outside of GotG. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 14, 2017 12:58:21 GMT -5
Wait...I thought that was the entire modus operandi of Marvel Comics. General Hospital with long underwear and fighting. If you mean modern day Marvel, you may be right Slam. DnA's GotG is the last new comic series I've read. And that might be in part, due to the fact that I like space operas, but not soap operas. And most of Marvel's new movies I've seen. Not one has really wowed me outside of GotG. I meant Marvel from the time of FF #1 forward. That was the whole thing that Marvel was different. The characters squabbled and had "personalities". There were drawn out subplots. Comics as soap opera has been Marvel's thing since the 60s. |
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Post by brutalis on Aug 14, 2017 13:21:05 GMT -5
Wouldn't the "real" Guardians of the Galaxy be those little blue guys dressed in red robes who created an intergalactic "Police Force" called the Green Lantern Corps?  |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 14, 2017 13:48:00 GMT -5
If you mean modern day Marvel, you may be right Slam. DnA's GotG is the last new comic series I've read. And that might be in part, due to the fact that I like space operas, but not soap operas. And most of Marvel's new movies I've seen. Not one has really wowed me outside of GotG. I meant Marvel from the time of FF #1 forward. That was the whole thing that Marvel was different. The characters squabbled and had "personalities". There were drawn out subplots. Comics as soap opera has been Marvel's thing since the 60s. I got ya. Yeah probably more so than DC. I've only really read Byrne's FF for any length of time, and that's probably. I like humor and personality and/or clashing personalities. I guess the biggest "ick" thing about RR talking about Bendis' GotG was the Star Lord/Gamora romance. Romance that feels natural, like many writers with Reed and Susan, is okay, and not always the central of plots. Forced (as Bendis is with a lot of his relationships) romances, or romances for the sake of them, or ones that are constantly in turmoil every issue (Spiderman, at least from most of the 90's on I've read) can ruin a other good superhero book. It is as disjointing to my enjoyment of superhero comics as I imagine a side story of a chainsaw wielding psychopath would in a comic dedicated to romance. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 20:46:34 GMT -5
Wouldn't the "real" Guardians of the Galaxy be those little blue guys dressed in red robes who created an intergalactic "Police Force" called the Green Lantern Corps?  Are these the "guys" that you're talking about? ... I just couldn't resist doing this ... |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 14, 2017 21:07:34 GMT -5
Wouldn't the "real" Guardians of the Galaxy be those little blue guys dressed in red robes who created an intergalactic "Police Force" called the Green Lantern Corps? They would be the Guardians of the Universe. Your scale is off. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 23:37:01 GMT -5
Wouldn't the "real" Guardians of the Galaxy be those little blue guys dressed in red robes who created an intergalactic "Police Force" called the Green Lantern Corps? They would be the Guardians of the Universe. Your scale is off. I didn't catch that ... oops ... good call Slam!  |
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Post by brutalis on Aug 15, 2017 7:35:22 GMT -5
The GL Corp: guarding the universe a galaxy at a time  |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 15, 2017 22:34:01 GMT -5
Yeah, okay smart guys, how many sectors in a galaxy?
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