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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 10:15:16 GMT -5
For those who create art using traditional rather than digital means, what kind of scanner do you use to scan artboards?
I am looking for a large bed scanner that is capable of scanning at least something the size of an blueline comic page art board in.
We have some old pieces by Amy we want to archive digitally, plus I prefer to draw by hand, and if Amy does the coloring, she prefers to work digitally so we need to be able to make digital files of any art done by hand for her to work on.
We are looking for suggestions for make/models of scanners, or even all in ones that have a large enough scanning surface to do what we need done. Failing that, any progessional services (chains and such) that provide such services.
Thanks in advance.
-M
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 21, 2017 7:13:57 GMT -5
It's one of the ironies of the current market, where technology has made a lot of progress but everything is geared toward cheap and disposable devices, that many things we could easily do two decades ago are now prohibitively expensive or downright impossible. Scanning large art is one of those things.
The largest scanners I've seen on today's market will take 11 x 17, mrp, but cost several hundred dollars. I'm desperately looking for a 14 x 17 scanner, or at least a photocopier that could reduce 14 x 17 originals to a smaller size that could then be scanned. Such copiers used to be very common at Kinko's but seem to have been replaced with things that can't handle art bigger than 11 x 17.
Special copiers for architects can handle large formats, but can't deal with bristol board.
A professional artist I know, one whose originals exceed those sizes, makes high resolution photographs of his pages. That, naturally, requires quite a set-up.
Let me know if you have any success, mrp... I'm really interested in the result! Right now I have to scan my pages piecemeal and reassemble the bits and pieces on the computer; as expected, this means a lot of distortion that has to be corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 10:04:14 GMT -5
There's a pretty big computer store over in Columbus that specializes in helping people build their own computers, but deals in both new and used components, and such. We went there a couple years back when my old monitor died but were planning on upgrading the computer as a whole in a year or so and didn't want to spring for a new monitor. We weren't looking for a scanner at the time, but I noticed they had some then. I am hoping to be able to take a trip out there while my wife is on vacation in a few weeks to nose around and see if I can find something there or talk to them about options, but a few other things are taking priority during that week, so I am not sure I will get down there just yet. I'm hoping to talk to some of the other local creators about it when I do the autumn con circuit around here too, but at this point we are just in a gathering info mode rather than looking to definitely make a purchase. If I do get a little money form culling the collection though, a scanner is one of the things I am likely to use the money on. I will update if I get any solid info though.
I also need to find a good desktop publishing software, possibly a shareware one to use on the new computer we bought that I haven't started loading with software yet. Something I can use to set up pages of text with illustrations that aren't comic pages mixed with some comic pages in the same "publication" as it were.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 9, 2017 3:31:08 GMT -5
I also need to find a good desktop publishing software, possibly a shareware one to use on the new computer we bought that I haven't started loading with software yet. Something I can use to set up pages of text with illustrations that aren't comic pages mixed with some comic pages in the same "publication" as it were.This is exactly what I need to find as well. Something I can mock up a book I'm working on with, to then submit to publishers.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 9, 2017 11:53:50 GMT -5
A friend of mine who's in the business would never consider life without InDesign.
Of course, it's not shareware... and it's too bad that Adobe now insists on people getting a subscription service instead of selling them programs. However, perhaps someone has an old InDesign CD-ROM to sell on eBay somewhere?
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Post by Confessor on Sept 9, 2017 12:28:14 GMT -5
A friend of mine who's in the business would never consider life without InDesign. Of course, it's not shareware... and it's too bad that Adobe now insists on people getting a subscription service instead of selling them programs. However, perhaps someone has an old InDesign CD-ROM to sell on eBay somewhere? Definitely worth a look. Thanks for the tip RR.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 16:27:34 GMT -5
I used InDesign for the Mac back when I was teaching high school and was the yearbook adviser. It was expensive as all get out then, but it was functional. I thought the learning curve was a bit steep for me (and that was in my pre-Luddite days when I was the tech guy at the school for teaching aides and using tech in the classroom), but it certainly did what all needed to be done. I was just hoping not to invest the kind of money InDesign was going for then and going through the learning curve all over again as it's been 14 years since I used it last.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 11, 2017 14:13:03 GMT -5
Many tech sites I visited seem to agree that Scribus is a pretty decent alternative to InDesign. I've never used it, but the specs look okay. Speaking of alternatives... Has anyone used Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo? They're advertised as alternatives to Illustrator and Photoshop, and although I don't intend to switch now there's no way I'll ever agree to pay a monthly fee to use the Adobe products.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 15:56:46 GMT -5
It's one of the ironies of the current market, where technology has made a lot of progress but everything is geared toward cheap and disposable devices, that many things we could easily do two decades ago are now prohibitively expensive or downright impossible. Scanning large art is one of those things. The largest scanners I've seen on today's market will take 11 x 17, mrp, but cost several hundred dollars. I'm desperately looking for a 14 x 17 scanner, or at least a photocopier that could reduce 14 x 17 originals to a smaller size that could then be scanned. Such copiers used to be very common at Kinko's but seem to have been replaced with things that can't handle art bigger than 11 x 17. Special copiers for architects can handle large formats, but can't deal with bristol board. A professional artist I know, one whose originals exceed those sizes, makes high resolution photographs of his pages. That, naturally, requires quite a set-up. Let me know if you have any success, mrp... I'm really interested in the result! Right now I have to scan my pages piecemeal and reassemble the bits and pieces on the computer; as expected, this means a lot of distortion that has to be corrected. I've been doing a little research on these large bed scanners today and trying to price some options. Not much is affordable. I am seeing them go for $3-5K with possibly a refurbished one for just under $2K. Everything is 11 x 17 as you said, 14 x 17 capability skyrockets the price. That's a little more than I want to invest at this point as a dabbler. I was looking to spend somewhere in the $500 range knowing they were more than the typical scanner, but not realizing the price increase was that dramatic. Still seeking info and possible solutions, but so far results have not been too encouraging but I have only sipped my toe into the task so far. I need to remember to ask around artist alley next time I go to a con. -M PS I guess one of the perks of creating the art digitally is that you can skip the scanner, thus lowering demand for these and thus raising the price for those who still would use them and aren't moving into the digital age. I could still impose on the guys from t he studio who have one, but it is an imposition and I would rather have access to my own.
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Post by junkmonkey on Nov 25, 2017 19:51:00 GMT -5
I only have a small scanner - just over A4 size (a platten of about 210mm by 300mmm) and quite often draw on A3 (which, for the uninitiated, is twice the size). I've gotten pretty adept at scanning art in in parts (top middle and bottom) and stitching it together in Photoshop - it's not that hard if you leave a lot of overlap and remember which layer you're working on when you delete the surplus. Having said that I am only digitising the black and white line art to colour in Photoshop. With colour it may be more difficult.
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Post by junkmonkey on Dec 14, 2017 17:16:21 GMT -5
I would also add that it is a good idea to clean the platen from time to time. I realised yesterday as I was cleaning up a page, that what I thought were stray unerased pencil marks were in fact marks on the glass of the scanner.
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Post by Jesse on Dec 14, 2017 17:35:25 GMT -5
Anyone have a scanner/ printer completely crap out on them? As in working fine the day before then the next day not powering on at all. This HP was around 5 years old so I guess that's all they last these days which is unfortunate.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 17, 2017 15:51:20 GMT -5
Anyone have a scanner/ printer completely crap out on them? As in working fine the day before then the next day not powering on at all. This HP was around 5 years old so I guess that's all they last these days which is unfortunate. Yes, I've had two scanners conk out unexpectedly. What's infuriating is that my old 8 1/2 x 14 UMAX scanner probably still functions like a charm... but its SCSI connection doesn't fit anywhere anymore, and the company stopped upgrading its driver for new Operating Systems more than a decade and a half ago.
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Post by Jesse on Dec 17, 2017 16:47:34 GMT -5
Roquefort Raider I have an older scanner as well that I enjoyed using back when I had a desktop computer. It's a HP Scanjet djf2200 that worked great with Adobe Photoshop CS2 for Windows and might still work but I'm not sure it's compatible with the newer laptop that I'm using now. The one that crapped out on my was a Cannon I think. What a bummer I was looking forward to scanning more sketches. As for @mrp 's OP I remember back in school we had larger flat bed image scanners at the Art Institute that I think were 11" x 17" but they might have been a little bigger. There's seems to be a bunch of them at that size on Amazon and Best Buys websites but I'm not able to find anything larger than that online for retail sale unfortunately. I remember my commercial art class in high school had a huge flat bed scanner in its lab that was so big it rested on on the floor on top of pallet crates. Obviously it was made to scan large painting but I've never been able to find anything like it ever again. Has anyone seen or heard of flat bed image scanners that size before? I'm wondering if schools have access to some hardware like that that's simply unavailable on a retail level or whatever reasons.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 17, 2017 19:41:35 GMT -5
Roquefort Raider I have an older scanner as well that I enjoyed using back when I had a desktop computer. It's a HP Scanjet djf2200 that worked great with Adobe Photoshop CS2 for Windows and might still work but I'm not sure it's compatible with the newer laptop that I'm using now. The one that crapped out on my was a Cannon I think. What a bummer I was looking forward to scanning more sketches. As for @mrp 's OP I remember back in school we had larger flat bed image scanners at the Art Institute that I think were 11" x 17" but they might have been a little bigger. There's seems to be a bunch of them at that size on Amazon and Best Buys websites but I'm not able to find anything larger than that online for retail sale unfortunately. I remember my commercial art class in high school had a huge flat bed scanner in its lab that was so big it rested on on the floor on top of pallet crates. Obviously it was made to scan large painting but I've never been able to find anything like it ever again. Has anyone seen or heard of flat bed image scanners that size before? I'm wondering if schools have access to some hardware like that that's simply unavailable on a retail level or whatever reasons. I neve personally came across such big scanner, but back in the 90s any Kikno’s had copiers that would handle 14x17 originals without a sweat. I miss those days! Why is it that as technology gets faster and cheaper, the tools we actually used just disappear?
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