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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 18, 2018 16:45:49 GMT -5
FYI, the first "book-length stories" in super-hero comics appeared in early issues (c. 1942-43) of All-American's All-Flash, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman. Editor Sheldon Mayer saw that using a single 40-50 page story not only gave his creators more narrative elbowroom but also made AA's solo titles different from sister company DC's Superman, Batman, and Boy Commandos, all of which ran four stories of their title characters per issue.
Cei-U! Just sayin'!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 18, 2018 18:55:46 GMT -5
DC is the one I always think of with the most problematic sliding timeline, because of (a) the characters who are nailed down into the 1940s chronologically, and (b) the vast number of kid sidekicks who are now adults. That's just as big an issue in Marvel... Kitty Pryde.. Power Pack, the Richards' kids, even Justice and Firestar, all have aged, yet Cap, Iron Man, et al haven't. I've said this a million times, (and I get the IP aspect), but I always think how cool it would be if the time actually passed in the Marvel and DC shared Universes, and characters were allow to grow, develop, age and (yes) die. DC started doing that in the 90s, but clearly I was in the minority in liking it, as Kyle Rayner, Wally West, Connor Hawke, and the others of the generation all got pushed back aside after Flashpoint. Well, they did that with Marvel's Ultimate Universe, and people stopped caring and the line went from the hottest thing around to nobody cares. I think Wildstorm did a little with this too - although maybe after anyone cared about the Wildstorm Universe. I'm not actually saying I disagree, but I think creators would need an ending in mind ala Bone or One Piece or Sandman or they'll just end up spinning their wheels. So I guess I'm arguing for constant reboots?
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Post by Duragizer on Jan 18, 2018 19:28:08 GMT -5
That's just as big an issue in Marvel... Kitty Pryde.. Power Pack, the Richards' kids, even Justice and Firestar, all have aged, yet Cap, Iron Man, et al haven't. I've said this a million times, (and I get the IP aspect), but I always think how cool it would be if the time actually passed in the Marvel and DC shared Universes, and characters were allow to grow, develop, age and (yes) die. DC started doing that in the 90s, but clearly I was in the minority in liking it, as Kyle Rayner, Wally West, Connor Hawke, and the others of the generation all got pushed back aside after Flashpoint. Well, they did that with Marvel's Ultimate Universe, and people stopped caring and the line went from the hottest thing around to nobody cares. Didn't the Ultimate Universe eventually devolve into a grimdark morass of unlikable jerks?
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Post by Confessor on Jan 18, 2018 21:34:00 GMT -5
I don't think anybody's mentioned it yet, but Kurt Busiek's Astro City is a superhero comic in which the heroes age in real time.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 18, 2018 23:14:06 GMT -5
That's just as big an issue in Marvel... Kitty Pryde.. Power Pack, the Richards' kids, even Justice and Firestar, all have aged, yet Cap, Iron Man, et al haven't. I've said this a million times, (and I get the IP aspect), but I always think how cool it would be if the time actually passed in the Marvel and DC shared Universes, and characters were allow to grow, develop, age and (yes) die. DC started doing that in the 90s, but clearly I was in the minority in liking it, as Kyle Rayner, Wally West, Connor Hawke, and the others of the generation all got pushed back aside after Flashpoint. Well, they did that with Marvel's Ultimate Universe, and people stopped caring and the line went from the hottest thing around to nobody cares. I think Wildstorm did a little with this too - although maybe after anyone cared about the Wildstorm Universe. I'm not actually saying I disagree, but I think creators would need an ending in mind ala Bone or One Piece or Sandman or they'll just end up spinning their wheels. So I guess I'm arguing for constant reboots? The Ulimate universe did well for quite a while.. then it died in the same way most alternate universes do.. once it began to be its own thing, it started going back to the original too much. People get bored, and then they start killing stuff for shock value, and it all falls apart. Happened with 2099 too.
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Post by rberman on Jan 19, 2018 7:46:45 GMT -5
Well, they did that with Marvel's Ultimate Universe, and people stopped caring and the line went from the hottest thing around to nobody cares. Didn't the Ultimate Universe eventually devolve into a grimdark morass of unlikable jerks? It was pretty grim from the beginning, what with cannibal Hulk, wife-beater Pym, and whatnot. The Ultimates proved that (1) Marvel stories where things actually happen can be great, and (2) If you try to extend that story beyond where the things actually happened, it's not so good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 9:14:23 GMT -5
Didn't the Ultimate Universe eventually devolve into a grimdark morass of unlikable jerks? It was pretty grim from the beginning, what with cannibal Hulk, wife-beater Pym, and whatnot. The Ultimates proved that (1) Marvel stories where things actually happen can be great, and (2) If you try to extend that story beyond where the things actually happened, it's not so good. Also it went into a decline when the books started to be written by writers other than Bendis & Millar. They were the two that launched the first 4 books. And once you get beyond a certain # (of books & writers) it gets hard to keep things consistent.
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Post by rberman on Jan 19, 2018 21:06:14 GMT -5
I was bopping around the CBR forum and found a great example of loosey goosey time continuity. A user named Newcloak back in 2014 posted a rundown of times that X-Men comics reported how old teen member Kitty Pryde was in comics published various years:
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 19, 2018 23:30:33 GMT -5
I think they specifically try hard not to have time/age references nowadays, but Kitty is portray now as being in her late 20s. I feel like Marvel more have types than ages.
You have 'young teen', like Kitty at first... the Runaways, the Champions (maybe not Cho, but the others) etc. Character in this age are still 'kids'.. the go to school have teen social problems, etc.
Then they graduate to 'old teen', like the original New Warriors, the original X-Men, etc.. where they are clearly young, but they start having relationships and jobs, and not school problems.
After that, you pretty much just have 'adult'. Sure, WE know, say Reed Richards is older Peter Parker.. but they all stay locked at an eternal 30-ish.
The part that really gets me is when the characters go back and forth... like when Firestar when from being married to Justice after years of superheroing together and retired, then comes back as a college student.
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