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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 2, 2017 11:27:09 GMT -5
I used to have a signature at CBR that summed up my feelings succintly: I'd rather read about the Golden Age Atom taking down a crooked used car dealer than about the X-Men saving the universe... again.
Cei-U!
That says it all!
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Post by berkley on Sept 2, 2017 13:23:11 GMT -5
Count me out as a fan of Marvel's cosmic characters. I can tolerate them in Thor or Dr. Strange, where they make some sense in context, but storylines about such entities interacting with Earth's human heroes have never interested me (with the exception of a handful of Galactus stories). Put simply, any villain whose goal is to rule or destroy the universe is a big, fat, automatic "Nope!" for yours truly. Cei-U! I summon the #1 reason I can't warm up to Jim Starlin's comics! I do like a lot of those characters, or the idea of them, but at the same time I think they're really hard to get right so I end up in agreement with what you say here, though coming to it from a different direction. I do think Starlin got it right in his first big Captain Marvel/Thanos/Warlock story but not since then - or at least not with any of his Thanos comics. All those Infinity This and Infinity That things, I don't like any of them, not even a little bit. Well, maybe the Perez artwork in the few issues he did for one of them. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 2, 2017 14:53:22 GMT -5
I agree that outside of Starlin and a few other creators, I rarely think cosmic characters are done justice by creators. There has always been a sort of "wink wink" to the readers when some space god comes down to Earth and is somehow, miraculously, fending off. Realistically, Galactus could have waved his hand and turned the FF into amoebas and gone on about his merry way devouring the Earth. But he didn't.
Speaking of Thanos, I think Thanos had a great arc up till the end of the Infinity Gauntlet, but after that it does seem that Starlin has been spinning his wheels a bit with the character. Thanos was dead for a good decade before Starlin brought him back and I think at this point it would do the character some good to take a hiatus.
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 2, 2017 19:32:19 GMT -5
I do think Starlin got it right in his first big Captain Marvel/Thanos/Warlock story but not since then - or at least not with any of his Thanos comics. I thought he got it right in the Captain Marvel/Thanos story but Warlock is where I thought he started repeating himself. I was thinking that as I was buying Warlock as it came out, so the idea that Starlin repeats themes is very old indeed. |
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Post by berkley on Sept 2, 2017 23:52:50 GMT -5
I do think Starlin got it right in his first big Captain Marvel/Thanos/Warlock story but not since then - or at least not with any of his Thanos comics. I thought he got it right in the Captain Marvel/Thanos story but Warlock is where I thought he started repeating himself. I was thinking that as I was buying Warlock as it came out, so the idea that Starlin repeats themes is very old indeed. It probably helped that I read the Warlock part first and the Captain Marvel not until a few years later in back issues, so it all felt like one big story to me rather than the same story told twice over, but I can see what you mean. Also, I like Starlin's art from that period so much, it goes a long way to allowing me to overlook some story-telling flaws. |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 3, 2017 21:00:23 GMT -5
I can tolerate them in Thor or Dr. Strange, Speaking of which, Englehart's Dr. Strange did encounter the Old Testament God. That's got to rank pretty high up there. |
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