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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 7, 2017 12:42:39 GMT -5
Personally, I think the characters are definitely Romita. The faces kind of give it away for me. As for the layout and the background, you bring up a good point. I cannot find any mention of Robbins playing a role but again, you never know. Also, I think visually, the Giant Size Invaders looks most like All-Winners #4...but all of them are similar! Thanks for adding those! See, the crowded scene and the Cap figure in particular say Robbins to me. Sub-Mariner and the Torch are Romita, for sure. Maybe it was a Robbins sketch? Each of the All-Winners are like the Invaders cover, but I'm going with #6 the more I look at them, because of the way the firgures are springing forward and the sidekicks are in between. Keep 'em flyin', pink!
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 7, 2017 13:10:51 GMT -5
Motion Picture Funnies Weekly #1 predated Marvel Comics #1. The giveaway comic which was never actually distributed, was put together by Lloyd Jaquet's Funnies Inc. The Marvel Comics #1 story had an additional four pages. I've always wondered why the Everett Estate never tried to recapture the copyright on Sub-Mariner as it very clearly was not work-for-hire for Timely. Maybe it was work-for-hire for Funnies Inc.?
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 7, 2017 13:27:27 GMT -5
Invaders #2The CoverAnother one by Romita. I don't mind it, but I think it is a bit misleading. There are actually three Gods that Namor, Torch and Toro battle and I would have liked to have seen this portrayed a bit better on the cover. Plus, for added intrigue, they should have had a shadowed out face in the corner with the caption "Plus..Brain Drain revealed!" because that also happens in the issue. I think that would have made for a more dynamic and attention-grabbing cover. The StoryContinuing from last issue, Namor and the Torches are battling with the three Gods they encountered. Meanwhile, on the ground, Cap is with the mystery girl (she thought her name was Hilda last issue) and they wander into a cave where they are captured by Nazis. Oh and for those wondering, Bucky was left behind last issue at the headquarters in England....Cap didn't think he was right for this mission. Anyway, the Nazis take Cap and Hilda into this mountain where...gasp!...we finally meet Brain Drain! Okay...it really was a let down because this is what we get: Not a fan...but perhaps if Cap removes the guy's hood! Nope, still not loving it. Just who is this guy? Well apparently he was some Nazi who saw what he thought was a meteorite hit the earth. The explosion killed him (or so he thought) but he ends up waking up. He sees the three Gods in front of him and learns that they are actually from another dimension and it was their ship crashing that caused the explosion. They managed to "save" this Nazi by putting his brain and eyes in a jar and giving him an advanced robot body. These alien Gods did not think this Nazi guy a threat so they had him help try to rebuild their ship. The Gods showed him their power ring, which gave powers to any mechanical device. Well, since this Nazi was not pretty much a robot, it added to his power and he used the ring to command the four Gods. I say four because it turns out the girl, Hilda, was the fourth God. This Nazi fell in love with her and tried to control her but she escaped and wound up in England. Brain Drain senses the ring nearby and grabs it from Cap's belt, here he put it last issue. Upon hearing all this, Hilda (or MCM-XLI, Navigator of the Nebula cruiser Tekeli-Li as she recalls her name) is angered. She takes back the ring and tosses it into some chemicals (convenient how bad guy liars always have a giant vat of unknown chemicals around eh?). She goes on about not being able to ever get home and not ever wanting to live on a planet where people would use power to hurt others. She jumps into the chemicals and, in a lover's trance, Brain Drain jumps in as well. The other 3 male Gods who were still battling outside, leave the fight and dive into the chemicals as well. Cap seems to think this will not end well, and he is right, so he grabs the gang and they get their ship into the sky just as the whole area explodes. The team silently flies back to England. The final blurb states that next issue we will meet....U-Man! I really hope it is not a many shaped like a submarine...or wait...maybe I do hope for that OpinionsI thought it was a sloppy end to what could have been a more interesting two part story. Basically, Brain Drain was super lame. If he was even half decent looking, I would have been happy. The whole intergalactic alien/god thing was fine and I kind of liked the ending, even if it was a simply solution to destroy themselves and their powerful ring in a vat of chemicals. One thing I noticed was how they scripting went away from using German accents. Giant Size was heavy with it, Invaders #1 had some but not much because they did not have many German characters speak. But this issue just did not use any of it, aside from calling Cap an Amerikaner. I think if you are going to ham it up and go for it, you gotta use the German accent. Don't flip back and forth on it. Quote of the IssueI must perish..and, dying, use such powers as still are mine to stop you from perverting any more of our star-spawned science to the glory of a new barbarism!- Hilda's last schpeal before she jumps into the chemicals.
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 7, 2017 14:05:00 GMT -5
Was there any mention of the fact that "Donar" is an alternate form of the name "Thor"? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor says: "Old Norse Þórr, Old English ðunor, Old High German Donar, Old Saxon thunar, and Old Frisian thuner are cognates within the Germanic language branch, descending from the Proto-Germanic masculine noun *þunraz 'thunder' Note: þ,Þ and ð are pronounced "th".
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 7, 2017 14:07:59 GMT -5
Motion Picture Funnies Weekly #1 predated Marvel Comics #1. The giveaway comic which was never actually distributed, was put together by Lloyd Jaquet's Funnies Inc. The Marvel Comics #1 story had an additional four pages. I've always wondered why the Everett Estate never tried to recapture the copyright on Sub-Mariner as it very clearly was not work-for-hire for Timely. Maybe it was work-for-hire for Funnies Inc.? Hmmmm...upon further review it appears that both the story from MPFW #1 and the extension of it in Marvel Comics #1 may well be in the Public Domain. It doesn't appear that the copyright on the story was renewed at the 28 year mark. Interesting.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 7, 2017 14:11:54 GMT -5
Was there any mention of the fact that "Donar" is an alternate form of the name "Thor"? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor says: "Old Norse Þórr, Old English ðunor, Old High German Donar, Old Saxon thunar, and Old Frisian thuner are cognates within the Germanic language branch, descending from the Proto-Germanic masculine noun *þunraz 'thunder' Note: þ,Þ and ð are pronounced "th". No explicit mention of a Thor connection. Although Brain Drain does reveal that he names the Gods after his love for the Wagner operas because they were Hitler's favourite. I kind of preferred that bit of info being something Thomas told us last issue. I didn't feel it needed explaining again from this lame villain.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 7, 2017 14:14:17 GMT -5
I also forgot to mention that Master Man was apparently Brain Drain's creation or dream or whatever. How he ended up in the US we don't know.....yet.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 7, 2017 14:20:42 GMT -5
Brain Drain looks liek he could be visiting from an issue of Howard the Duck. Half-expected it was Howard under the hood. Makes you realize how good Bruno Premiani was at depicting a brain-only villain without making you think it was a parody of some other character.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 7, 2017 14:33:10 GMT -5
^What is that from!? If Brain Drain looked like that it would have been awesome!
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 7, 2017 14:51:10 GMT -5
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 7, 2017 15:02:33 GMT -5
^What is that from!? If Brain Drain looked like that it would have been awesome! Doom Patrol, back in the glory days. Here he is in other forms: Brave and Bold 65 Doom Patrol 121
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 7, 2017 16:21:12 GMT -5
Great review/topic, pinkfloydsound17! Excellent, detailed review. I did read the Invaders back when it came out back in 1975. I was a fan of anything relating to the Golden Age back then. Same here. I appreciated Roy Thomas' deep love for / interest in the Golden Age. Thinking back, I found it exciting to see the white-hot sparks that would eventually lead to the creation of the Invaders; from Thomas' ability to tap into Cap's WW2 drama in ( Avengers #56 - September, 1968) then going on to create a legitimate Golden Age super-team ( Avengers #71 December, 1969), Thomas--more than anyone else of that period at Marvel--was trying to build a truly united world in the way DC had with soaring success with their innovative creation of the Earth II concept at the dawn of the Silver Age. Adding the Golden Age characters & stories to the overall history finally made Marvel feel as if there was a rich life that was not just a few years old, but had a superheroic foundation which--in its raw, general simplicity (common of Golden Age concepts) justified the flood of superheroes born in the early 60s. There was a connection and legacy.
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 7, 2017 16:26:42 GMT -5
Great idea for a review thread, pinkfloydsound17 ! Just curious if you think that second cover is, like the first, Robbins pencils and Romita inks. The crowded, Schomburg-esque layout and the figuresm especially Cap's, seem more like Robbins than Romita. I think the cover's layout were probably all Robbins, but like so many 1970s Marvel covers, Romita not only inked it, but reshaped it to align more with his dynamic style (which was the Marvel style at that point). Giant Size Invaders #1 was a case where Romita was more in guidance / touch-up mode than total reshape (as he would do with Kirby).
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 7, 2017 16:33:21 GMT -5
Brain Drain is currently one of the main supporting characters in Squirrel Girl and he's absolutely amazing, maybe my favorite part of the series. I'm glad they are using him in that way. Makes more sense than trying to make him a serious villain
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Post by sabongero on Sept 7, 2017 16:36:17 GMT -5
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I loved reading some of the issues in this series back then. Good choice for a series to review.
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