Crimebuster
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 13, 2017 22:56:30 GMT -5
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 14, 2017 9:22:26 GMT -5
Great job, Scott! Good chemistry between you and Hoosier. "Egotistical blowhard" made me laugh. Well put. Hoosier X, you sound like an experienced radio guy. And I completely get what you say about later John Byrne. Thanks for the Frank Robbins love, too! |
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 14, 2017 11:57:57 GMT -5
Great job, Scott! Good chemistry between you and Hoosier. "Egotistical blowhard" made me laugh. Well put. Hoosier X , you sound like an experienced radio guy. And I completely get what you say about later John Byrne. Thanks for the Frank Robbins love, too! Thanks, Hal! I was a DJ at a country radio station - WHON, your home in the country! - near Richmond, Indiana, for a short time in the 1980s. Ah, John Byrne. I'm glad we didn't get too much into Byrne's devotion to the silly idea that Edward DeVere wrote the works of Shakespeare. I can go and on about it, but I don't know if it would be of much interest to too many people at CCF. My one great regret about the interview is that I didn't bring up Sheldon Moldoff when we were talking about under-rated comics creators. Moldoff is AWESOME! |
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 14, 2017 12:11:21 GMT -5
Great job, Scott! Good chemistry between you and Hoosier. "Egotistical blowhard" made me laugh. Well put. Hoosier X , you sound like an experienced radio guy. And I completely get what you say about later John Byrne. Thanks for the Frank Robbins love, too! Thanks, Hal! I was a DJ at a country radio station - WHON, your home in the country! - near Richmond, Indiana, for a short time in the 1980s. Ah, John Byrne. I'm glad we didn't get too much into Byrne's devotion to the silly idea that Edward DeVere wrote the works of Shakespeare. I can go and on about it, but I don't know if it would be of much interest to too many people at CCF. My one great regret about the interview is that I didn't bring up Sheldon Moldoff when we were talking about under-rated comics creators. Moldoff is AWESOME! I KNEW it! Did you use a classic DJ name? Dusty Rhodes? Tom Collins? Or my favorite: Adam Smasher? Maybe we should ask Scott if there could be one nerdy Shakespeare podcast. Call it Shakespeare and Comics but then talk about anything Shakespearean. I'd forgotten that Byrne was a devotee of the Looney Theory. Another reason to dislike him.  Lots of love here for Moldoff, too. I was thinking of mention the great Dick Sprang, but figured he's experienced a wave of new interets so I tossed in Bob Brown. Looking forward to hearing Part 2! "Put on the coffee, honey, I'm comin' home." |
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 14, 2017 12:18:35 GMT -5
Thanks, Hal! I was a DJ at a country radio station - WHON, your home in the country! - near Richmond, Indiana, for a short time in the 1980s. Ah, John Byrne. I'm glad we didn't get too much into Byrne's devotion to the silly idea that Edward DeVere wrote the works of Shakespeare. I can go and on about it, but I don't know if it would be of much interest to too many people at CCF. My one great regret about the interview is that I didn't bring up Sheldon Moldoff when we were talking about under-rated comics creators. Moldoff is AWESOME! I KNEW it! Did you use a classic DJ name? Dusty Rhodes? Tom Collins? Or my favorite: Adam Smasher? Maybe we should ask Scott if there could be one nerdy Shakespeare podcast. Call it Shakespeare and Comics but then talk about anything Shakespearean. I'd forgotten that Byrne was a devotee of the Looney Theory. Another reason to dislike him. Lots of love here for Moldoff, too. I was thinking of mention the great Dick Sprang, but figured he's experienced a wave of new interets so I tossed in Bob Brown. Looking forward to hearing Part 2! "Put on the coffee, honey, I'm comin' home." The thing that Byrne did that was REALLY VERY ANNOYING was that he would start some of his stories with literary quotes. I especially remember him doing it in The Next Men. And he would attribute quotes from Shakespeare to Edward De Vere! Which is sooo dumb. Even if they were written by De Vere, Shakespeare was his pen name, and quotations are usually attributed to the pen name. For example, you don't usually attribute a Voltaire quote to Francois-Marie Arouet. You don't attribute a Mark Twain quote to Samuel Clemens. It was Byrne's way of not just being foolish and gullible, but being recklessly and aggressively so. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 14, 2017 12:34:13 GMT -5
I KNEW it! Did you use a classic DJ name? Dusty Rhodes? Tom Collins? Or my favorite: Adam Smasher? Maybe we should ask Scott if there could be one nerdy Shakespeare podcast. Call it Shakespeare and Comics but then talk about anything Shakespearean. I'd forgotten that Byrne was a devotee of the Looney Theory. Another reason to dislike him. Lots of love here for Moldoff, too. I was thinking of mention the great Dick Sprang, but figured he's experienced a wave of new interets so I tossed in Bob Brown. Looking forward to hearing Part 2! "Put on the coffee, honey, I'm comin' home." The thing that Byrne did that was REALLY VERY ANNOYING was that he would start some of his stories with literary quotes. I especially remember him doing it in The Next Men. And he would attribute quotes from Shakespeare to Edward De Vere! Which is sooo dumb. Even if they were written by De Vere, Shakespeare was his pen name, and quotations are usually attributed to the pen name. For example, you don't usually attribute a Voltaire quote to Francois-Marie Arouet. You don't attribute a Mark Twain quote to Samuel Clemens. It was Byrne's way of not just being foolish and gullible, but being recklessly and aggressively so. He was making comics great again... |
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 14, 2017 12:36:39 GMT -5
I think we did actually talk about the Shakespeare thing for a bit, but I had to cut it for space reasons, as the episode was so long already! That happens a lot - I think that despite doing three full episodes with Prince Hal, I probably cut over an hour more stuff from it, most of which was completely random tangents about unrelated comics and stuff.
I've been thinking I should have been taking some of those excerpts and saving them for a future compilation of good material I didn't have room for in the episodes themselves. Maybe going forward.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 14, 2017 12:44:06 GMT -5
Liking the love for Don Heck. I wasn't a fan until I started looking at some of his non-superhero stuff and more-so after reading interviews with him. He was really not well suited to superhero books. And he was very much at the mercy of whoever was inking him.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 14, 2017 13:12:47 GMT -5
Great job, Crimebuster and Hoosier X!
Thanks for the good words about Heck and Tuska (and yes, even Robbins, whose Johnny Hazard was excellent). Tuska, in particular, is still my favourite Iron Man artist ever.
One thing I never thought about is how Cap's quartet was composed of villains. I don't recall any subplot suggesting that one of them might still be a villain, the way things would probably turn out today. Despite Pietro's arrogance and Clint's rashness, the three new Avengers were really intent on showing the world they were on the side of the angels. How refreshing!
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 14, 2017 14:29:08 GMT -5
Liking the love for Don Heck. I wasn't a fan until I started looking at some of his non-superhero stuff and more-so after reading interviews with him. He was really not well suited to superhero books. And he was very much at the mercy of whoever was inking him. That's great! And so true. |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 14, 2017 15:41:35 GMT -5
Yeah, no one here is interested in discussing Shakespeare...
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 14, 2017 16:13:21 GMT -5
Yeah, no one here is interested in discussing Shakespeare... Don't you mean the Earl of Oxford? |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 14, 2017 16:19:41 GMT -5
Yeah, no one here is interested in discussing Shakespeare... Don't you mean the Earl of Oxford?  |
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Post by Farrar on Sept 18, 2017 14:49:08 GMT -5
Wonderful episode, guys. I first laid eyes on Hawkeye, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch in the Marvel Superheroes cartoon that was based on Avengers #18 "When the Commisssar Commands!" and ever since then have been a rabid fan of the Kooky Quartet (or, as they were referred to in a 1965 on sale list, "Cap's quaint quartet"). Hoosier, I concur with what others have posted regarding your mellifluous radio voice; one might even say you speak the speech trippingly on the tongue  . Also concur with the love for Don Heck. I loved his 1960s superhero work on the Avengers (I managed to collect most of the Avengers back issues starting with #14) and also Iron Man (which I read back in the day as reprints in Marvel Collectors' Item Classics/Marvel Greatest Comics). Heck's work had a grittiness and panel to panel action that made it easy for me to get into the story and whatever situations the characters were in. I loved his character faces (Happy) and of course he excelled at drawing glamorous men and women. |
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Post by Farrar on Sept 18, 2017 15:27:24 GMT -5
A few thoughts on items mentioned in the KQ episode: I've read Joe Casey's Earth Mightiest Heroes, the 2005 limited series that tries to fill in the blanks in the early Avengers stories (#1-16). Hawkeye being misunderstood and inadvertently ending up on the wrong side of the law was part of his debut story in Tales of Suspense. In EMH Casey took this further and included a scene where Hawkeye rescued Jarvis and his mother from some thugs; Jarvis and Hawkeye become friendly and as Crimebuster mentioned, they concoct a plan to show the Avengers what the marksman can do (the scene in Avengers #16). Personally I'm not a fan of this sort of retcon--but as I am a Kooky Quartet junkie, I will read/buy anything that includes the KQ, even if I find the later amplification/fleshing out unnecessary. Got to hand it to Stan; he was listening to the readers regarding the messiness of having characters in the Avengers who also appeared in their own books. And it wasn't only with the Avengers, he also put the kibbosh on the Torch-Thing strip in Strange Tales two months later. In Avengers #23 a reader wrote in suggesting that Wanda's hex "disturbs the molecular structure of whatever it is aimed at." This explanation always made sense to me, at least based on the effects her hex had back during her stint as an X-Men antagonist and during her Kooky Quartet days. Back then she was usually shown as being able to make ceilings collapse, drapes catch on fire, people run in circles (by affecting a person's inner ear/nervous system), glass shatter, and so on. But later on, when Roy Thomas was the regular Avengers writer, he had Wanda comment upon her "uncanny control over the laws of probability" (Avengers Annual #1). Fwiw I like the reader's explanation better; IMO her hex power was similar to the Legion's Chemical King's (a character who debuted a few years after Wanda; Chem King could slow down or speed up chemical reactions). I am just talking about the 1960s; I know since then her powers have changed. A lot.  |
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