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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 18, 2017 20:06:24 GMT -5
Wonderful episode, guys. I first laid eyes on Hawkeye, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch in the Marvel Superheroes cartoon that was based on Avengers #18 "When the Commisssar Commands!" and ever since then have been a rabid fan of the Kooky Quartet (or, as they were referred to in a 1965 on sale list, "Cap's quaint quartet"). Hoosier, I concur with what others have posted regarding your mellifluous radio voice; one might even say you speak the speech trippingly on the tongue  . Also concur with the love for Don Heck. I loved his 1960s superhero work on the Avengers (I managed to collect most of the Avengers back issues starting with #14) and also Iron Man (which I read back in the day as reprints in Marvel Collectors' Item Classics/Marvel Greatest Comics). Heck's work had a grittiness and panel to panel action that made it easy for me to get into the story and whatever situations the characters were in. I loved his character faces (Happy) and of course he excelled at drawing glamorous men and women. I love those Marvel Super-Heroes Cartoons so much! I think I've watched the one that was based on Avengers #16. I'll have to see if any of the others are on YouTube. If I recall correctly, they are counted as episodes of Captain America and not as separate Avengers episodes. |
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Post by Farrar on Sept 18, 2017 20:52:00 GMT -5
I love those Marvel Super-Heroes Cartoons so much! I think I've watched the one that was based on Avengers #16. I'll have to see if any of the others are on YouTube. If I recall correctly, they are counted as episodes of Captain America and not as separate Avengers episodes. Right, that Commissar episode I saw was part of the Cap set of cartoons. I may have also caught a Cap episode that included Hank and Jan too, but it was the Kooky Quartet episode that really made an impact on me. At the time I hadn't yet read any Marvel Comics, I was just watching the cartoons; but once I saw Hawkeye, Quicksilver and "Wanda, the Scarlet Witch" (as she was called when introduced in this episode) I knew I had to start reading Marvel. A couple of years later when I started to collect back issues, I got a copy of Avengers #18. Was I surprised to see that it contained the Commissar story from the Cap cartoon--I'd had no idea that the cartoons were basically using the stories/art from the comics! Looking forward to part 2 of your podcast with Crimebuster. |
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Post by brutalis on Sept 19, 2017 8:36:55 GMT -5
I was reading the Kooky Quartet in reprint form within Marvel Triple Action and was instantly hooked. This run is what made me a big Avengers fan and a lover of Don Heck art. Probably one of my most read and go to comfort readings of all time. A true favorite!
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 23, 2017 9:13:14 GMT -5
I've loved getting caught up on the Podcast episodes. They've all been great !
It's great hearing Scott and all his amazing friends. I now have your voices in my head as I read the posts.
Count me in on the Don Heck fan club as well. Totally agree he really was more suited to genre than superhero, but I've grown to appreciate his work more than when I was a kid.
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Post by Farrar on Sept 28, 2017 11:15:54 GMT -5
Great to see all the Don Heck love here. Speaking of Heck, I have often wondered why he didn't pencil #16; Dick Ayers did the pencils (and inks) over Kirby layouts. I have never come across anything regarding why Heck didn't pencil #16, and checking sites like Mike's don't indicate that he was doing more assignments other than his normal slate (Iron Man, some DC romance stories). Maybe it was just a matter of vacation or something, or perhaps he was busier than usual helping Romita Sr. out by ghosting layouts for some of JR's romance stories (as JR has written about). Anyway, Heck was back with #17 (sans the Kirby layout assistance).
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 28, 2017 11:31:15 GMT -5
Stan seemed to like having Kirby do issues that introduced new characters. In another example, Kirby had stopped drawing Ant-Man but was brought in to do the Wasp's debut and the transition to Giant-Man. He was also off the Human Torch strip in Strange Tales but came back to do the issue with the ersatz Captain America.
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Post by Farrar on Sept 28, 2017 12:25:09 GMT -5
Stan seemed to like having Kirby do issues that introduced new characters. In another example, Kirby had stopped drawing Ant-Man but was brought in to do the Wasp's debut and the transition to Giant-Man. He was also off the Human Torch strip in Strange Tales but came back to do the issue with the ersatz Captain America. Interesting--thanks, Rob. That makes sense. The thing is, Heck had penciled over Kirby layouts for a couple of issues prior to #16. The only difference with #16 was that now Ayers did the pencils over K's layouts. But Ayers's finished work looked more like Kirby than Heck's did, which, as you noted, was the look Stan may have wanted for this particular issue. Again, thanks! And while Heck of course was already very familiar with Hawkeye (ToS), for #16 perhaps Stan felt that Ayers would do a better job with Wanda and Pietro and keep them on model, since Ayers had drawn them in their Strange Tales Torch/Thing appearance. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 11, 2018 11:47:13 GMT -5
I just listened to this for the first time. ( Yeah, I had trouble with downloading the podcast, How lame is that ?)
Very enjoyable to hear the two of you reminisce about one of my favorite runs. You guys kind of savaged many of the Silver Age silliness, but please remember that Lee was making it up as he went along , as well as, writing just about every book in the line. Still, Great stuff. I will have to disagree with the opinion that Iron man and the rest just wanted to quit. They were burnt out from the relentless battles that encompassed the first 15 issues and the FF crossovers.
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