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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 28, 2022 7:59:54 GMT -5
I've woke up to three communities on the internet talking about this, and it has absolutely reaffirmed to me why I stopped watching award shows decades ago. And paying attention to celebrities in general. Because just like us, everyday joes, people put on a persona in public, even if it's unconscious, of how they want people to get an impression of them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 8:02:22 GMT -5
I've woke up to three communities on the internet talking about this, and it has absolutely reaffirmed to me why I stopped watching award shows decades ago. And paying attention to celebrities in general. Because just like us, everyday joes, people put on a persona in public, even if it's unconscious, of how they want people to get an impression of them. Did you also stop watching WWE’s The Slammys? I hope not.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 28, 2022 8:08:55 GMT -5
I've woke up to three communities on the internet talking about this, and it has absolutely reaffirmed to me why I stopped watching award shows decades ago. And paying attention to celebrities in general. Because just like us, everyday joes, people put on a persona in public, even if it's unconscious, of how they want people to get an impression of them. Did you also stop watching WWE’s The Slammys? I hope not. I have never watched wrestling in general. I only know Andre the Giant (and other later wrestlers like The Rock) from their acting roles in movies/TV shows.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 28, 2022 8:37:05 GMT -5
I've been getting way too invested in this and have found quite a few Youtube videos published over the past two weeks (prior to the incident), each arguing that Will Smith's mental health has been deteriorating as tension in his family has been getting worse. That's right: When I want facts, I go to tried and true sources. When I want hearsay about celebrities, I go to Youtube.
Youtube and Facebook are the source of all truth, as Thomas Jefferson once said.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 8:41:50 GMT -5
My goodness, I loathe YouTube (or AdTube as I call it). So much clickbait! You might see “HENRY CAVILL TO RETURN AS SUPERMAN” only to find someone shouting speculation and opinion. Should be a law against misleading headlines.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 28, 2022 8:49:56 GMT -5
I've been getting way too invested in this and have found quite a few Youtube videos published over the past two weeks (prior to the incident), each arguing that Will Smith's mental health has been deteriorating as tension in his family has been getting worse. That's right: When I want facts, I go to tried and true sources. When I want hearsay about celebrities, I go to Youtube. Youtube and Facebook are the source of all truth, as Thomas Jefferson once said.
Thomas Jefferson is a fictional character dreamed up by the Liberal Left.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 28, 2022 8:52:18 GMT -5
My goodness, I loathe YouTube (or AdTube as I call it). So much clickbait! You might see “HENRY CAVILL TO RETURN AS SUPERMAN” only to find someone shouting speculation and opinion. Should be a law against misleading headlines. Honestly, mainstream news isn't much better these days. Even NPR is getting more sensational in its old age. I'm running out of places to go for professional news delivered without agenda, bias, nor showmanship.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 8:53:50 GMT -5
I wonder if Reuters is still non-sensationalist and factual?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 28, 2022 9:12:21 GMT -5
My goodness, I loathe YouTube (or AdTube as I call it). So much clickbait! You might see “HENRY CAVILL TO RETURN AS SUPERMAN” only to find someone shouting speculation and opinion. Should be a law against misleading headlines. Honestly, mainstream news isn't much better these days. Even NPR is getting more sensational in its old age. I'm running out of places to go for professional news delivered without agenda, bias, nor showmanship.
The one source of information I still enjoy is Foreign Affairs, which publishes essays by people in the know (from academics to political figures). It's not that the essays are unbiased, but at least we know where the writers are coming from; a policy analysis by Condoleeza Rice won't present things as one from Bernie Sanders would, but we can at least have access to differing viewpoints that aren't just going for the soundbite or for an outrage reaction.
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Post by impulse on Mar 28, 2022 9:45:33 GMT -5
Yeah, that last point seems like a real shame, he didn't seem like the kind of guy to do something like this (maybe that was a wrong assumption all along). I didn't realize all of the other stuff, makes more sense of why he was so on edge in that context. At first, I thought maybe he even might have had a few drinks or something along those lines that clouded his judgement badly, but I don't remember Will having any issues like that in the past. It's always shaky ground when one tries to infer what a famous person is like behind closed doors, but I've been an admirer of Smith for the past year. I don't watch his films, and I groan every time he executive produces something just to get one of his kids a starring role in it, but I've been so impressed by how he has handled all of this. He strikes me as someone with tremendous discipline, heart, and integrity. So this moment really caught me off guard. He did what I might have done--what most of us might have done--and we have a very hard time forgiving folks we admire for being just like us, all while endlessly celebrating celebrities behaving badly. Smith's best chance of living this down is suddenly inventing an alcohol problem and then going to rehab because folks can understand THAT, but if he dares to act like he has moral integrity after this, he'll be a villain or a laughing stock. It makes me sick what we do to good people. I'm not one to crucify people for having a human moment and stumbling, as there but for the grace of God go any of us, but let's not be too quick to give the guy a complete free pass. He assaulted and battered someone on live TV over words, and that's not okay. Was Rock's joke in poor taste? Absolutely, but he's CHRIS ROCK. That is literally what he does. What he was hired to do. It seems tacky to sit there and laugh at all the other jokes and get violent when the spotlight is on you. He is lucky Rock isn't pressing charges because the whole world saw it live and it's on tape. That said, I hope Smith gets help. Despite him saying he is okay with the open relationship, he doesn't seem to be okay with his wife's extra-marital bed sharing based on recent interviews. I've also heard there is tension with his kids, and they're also all involved in that Scientology weirdness, so who knows what's going on there. I hope he apologizes and gets the help he needs. I've always liked him and respected his work, but it seems like he's been losing his grip for a while now. It really is a shame what our society does to celebrities.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 28, 2022 9:51:34 GMT -5
It's always shaky ground when one tries to infer what a famous person is like behind closed doors, but I've been an admirer of Smith for the past year. I don't watch his films, and I groan every time he executive produces something just to get one of his kids a starring role in it, but I've been so impressed by how he has handled all of this. He strikes me as someone with tremendous discipline, heart, and integrity. So this moment really caught me off guard. He did what I might have done--what most of us might have done--and we have a very hard time forgiving folks we admire for being just like us, all while endlessly celebrating celebrities behaving badly. Smith's best chance of living this down is suddenly inventing an alcohol problem and then going to rehab because folks can understand THAT, but if he dares to act like he has moral integrity after this, he'll be a villain or a laughing stock. It makes me sick what we do to good people. I'm not one to crucify people for having a human moment and stumbling, as there but for the grace of God go any of us, but let's not be too quick to give the guy a complete free pass. He assaulted and battered someone on live TV over words, and that's not okay. Was Rock's joke in poor taste? Absolutely, but he's CHRIS ROCK. That is literally what he does. What he was hired to do. It seems tacky to sit there and laugh at all the other jokes and get violent when the spotlight is on you. He is lucky Rock isn't pressing charges because the whole world saw it live and it's on tape. That said, I hope Smith gets help. Despite him saying he is okay with the open relationship, he doesn't seem to be okay with his wife's extra-marital bed sharing based on recent interviews. I've also heard there is tension with his kids, and they're also all involved in that Scientology weirdness, so who knows what's going on there. I hope he apologizes and gets the help he needs. I've always liked him and respected his work, but it seems like he's been losing his grip for a while now. It really is a shame what our society does to celebrities. Definitely not giving him a free pass. But I think it's safe to say that the media's past treatment of him absolutely led to this moment. I see celebrities the same way I see my teenage students: when they do something wrong, there should be consequences, an attempt to understand them and the cause of their behavior, and ultimately redemption. If Smith gets a free pass, that's wrong. If he gets branded by this incident, that's also wrong. And if we just forget about it and move on, that's wrong too. Give consequences -- a civil lawsuit, perhaps, maybe he has to give back the Oscar, and a sincere personal apology to Rock (who also owes Jada an apology)--Then he gets help for whatever is going on with him. Then redemption.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 28, 2022 10:23:59 GMT -5
I heard that Hank Pym and Janet were at the Oscars last night.
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Post by tartanphantom on Mar 28, 2022 10:51:51 GMT -5
I've woke up to three communities on the internet talking about this, and it has absolutely reaffirmed to me why I stopped watching award shows decades ago. And paying attention to celebrities in general. Because just like us, everyday joes, people put on a persona in public, even if it's unconscious, of how they want people to get an impression of them.
I've never been a fan of award shows of any type... as if the attention-whores in the entertainment industry need any further encouragement to seek any more attention other than that which they already receive via the size of their paychecks. Past that, it's basically public self-aggrandizing. I could be more crude, but my sense of decorum prevails.
If you're a "celebrity" (I hate that effin' term), Do your job, get paid, and move onto the next gig. After that, I don't care what you do or what you think about anything.
Don't get me wrong-- I love film as a medium, and I love the performance of certain actors-- because that's their job... but that has never in any way equated admiration, worship, or star-struck mentality regarding individual performers off-screen. A large portion of the general public has a difficult time separating an actor from their onscreen role portrayals, and that is a big part of the problem. Often times actors start believing their own press as a result, at which point the Peter Principle kicks in and they coast to the level of mediocre incompentence to which they aspire.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2022 10:58:02 GMT -5
What tartanphantom said! For me, well how many ways are there to talk about receiving an award? I’m certain that when you’ve seen one awards ceremony, you’ve seen them all. How many different kinds of speeches can there be? Plus, the fact that SUBURBAN COMMANDO didn’t win Best Picture of 1991 kind of irks me to this day…
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 28, 2022 11:08:19 GMT -5
Not to get to far off the subject, but I have a feeling a very, very small percentage of "open relationships" are really consensual. It seems like one side is "allowed" more than the other, and in my personal opinion is a mentally unhealthy situation. Especially, in this case, if he really does love and care for his wife. Being a "celebrity" is not anything I would ever want. Because as tartanphantom mentions, acting, singing, etc is a paid job. Do your job and move on to the next. But unfortunately, especially since the dawn of the internet, nothing is ever left unexposed. And the vast majority of society is eating it up. So yeah media is going to keep feeding it to us if we keep consuming it.
And I say all that not at all to get on my high horse or anything. Everyone has different opinions and interests. Mine personally just isn't knowing really anything about the people's movies, shows, music, books, comics I consume. As I really don't want to find out that these people's creations I enjoy are just as human and fallible as I am.
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