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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 10:17:02 GMT -5
If you burn a book, theoretically, the information which was in that book is not lost. The imprinted ink on those pages ever so slightly influenced the formation of the ashes, and also influenced the properties of whatever other products came from the burning process. Does that mean the information which we think of when we say "books contain information" is still accessible to us from the products of the burnt book? Does that information still exist in any meaningful sense on the human scale? No. Well, it's the same thing with the personality and memories which were once contained in a cadaver's brain when the body was alive. I could be mistaken, but I don't recall ever writing that I think the energy in living things is accessible or meaningful to us after death. I'm afraid you did, when you used the laws of physics to justify your belief of some kind of survival of the psyche. In my burnt book, all of the information from that book is still here in the physical realm, but it's so scrambled that it's functionally gone forever. I think your problem comes from misunderstanding what is meant by "information". Physics doesn't say that the story in the burnt book survives somehow as a story. The unit of information we're talking about is much, much smaller than a single word. The story which was on the book is functionally gone forever, and yet physics has not been violated. You're using physics to say that there is some kind of survival of an intact psyche or personality or whatever somewhere, somehow (there's no need to quibble over my broad paraphrasing, go ahead and correct my summary of your position, but I'm sure it's close enough that my point is still valid after the correction). That's not what "no loss of information" means. I don't generally have a problem with people finding comfort where they can, but I also don't like to see woo interpretations of science being spread around. I partly blame science communicators, who rarely spell out what they mean by "information", when an interpretation such as yours seems like a natural mistake.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 9, 2023 10:25:11 GMT -5
I could be mistaken, but I don't recall ever writing that I think the energy in living things is accessible or meaningful to us after death. I'm afraid you did, when you used the laws of physics to justify your belief of some kind of survival of the psyche. In my burnt book, all of the information from that book is still here in the physical realm, but it's so scrambled that it's functionally gone forever. I think your problem comes from misunderstanding what is meant by "information". Physics doesn't say that the story in the burnt book survives somehow as a story. The unit of information we're talking about is much, much smaller than a single word. The story which was on the book is functionally gone forever, and yet physics has not been violated. You're using physics to say that there is some kind of survival of an intact psyche or personality or whatever somewhere, somehow (there's no need to quibble over my broad paraphrasing, go ahead and correct my summary of your position, but I'm sure it's close enough that my point is still valid after the correction). That's not what "no loss of information" means. I don't generally have a problem with people finding comfort where they can, but I also don't like to see woo interpretations of science being spread around. I partly blame science communicators, who rarely spell out what they mean by "information", when an interpretation such as yours seems like a natural mistake. I'm not saying that psyche survives at all...I thought that was pretty clear when I said I didn't believe in seances with the dead or that the dead could interact with the living in any way(ie. hauntings)...I meant what I said, that the energy doesn't vanish or become destroyed but rather becomes some other energy or is transferred somewhere else. It's as simple as that.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 9, 2023 18:42:15 GMT -5
This current discussion about ghosts, death and the afterlife is getting unnecessarily heated, so let's just drop it please and move on. Thanks all.
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Post by majestic on Jul 10, 2023 18:22:38 GMT -5
As I get older I can not tolerate the heat and humidity. Finally decided to pay someone to cut the grass so I can stay inside and drink lemonade.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 10, 2023 18:35:25 GMT -5
As I get older I can not tolerate the heat and humidity. Finally decided to pay someone to cut the grass so I can stay inside and drink lemonade. I recently traded my middles son's high school car (a 1964 Buick Wildcat) for a whole passel of work on my fence and yard, which includes lawn-mowing for the year. So that's nice.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 10, 2023 18:48:59 GMT -5
It took me 3 hours to do my lawn spread out over 3 days. I won't take as much next time, it was overdue for a cut.
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Post by majestic on Jul 10, 2023 19:25:06 GMT -5
So now I yell out the door... "unless you are here to cut it - get off my lawn"!
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Post by majestic on Jul 10, 2023 19:26:36 GMT -5
It took me 3 hours to do my lawn spread out over 3 days. I won't take as much next time, it was overdue for a cut. Similar story. I had to keep dunking my head in my grand daughters kiddie pool to stay somewhat cool
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 14, 2023 15:27:18 GMT -5
Man, corporate re-edits of older material should be banned.
I tried watching the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles on Disney+ today only to find that they butchered the hell out of it. I had known that George Lucas had previously editing out the Old Man Indy intros and outros which I hated...but here the episodes are not only in the wrong order but you can't watch them in the right order because they've lumped them into these weird mini movies that don't make any sense together.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2023 19:56:18 GMT -5
The Warriors homage to Wolverine and a nice tee to sleep in
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 17, 2023 19:58:42 GMT -5
The Warriors homage to Wolverine and a nice tee to sleep in
Funny, I saw Glenn of Comic Book Palace wearing that exact same one in this week's episode
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 18, 2023 8:26:49 GMT -5
More good news: the process for purchasing me a new, improved motorized wheelchair (my current one is 14 years old) with all the fancy-schmancy bells and whistles is now officially underway. The preliminary fitting is next Monday. AND my weekend caregiver Bill, an old friend from my days at the Washington State Attorney General's Office, has suggested that, once his lease is up early next year, we find a split-level house to rent, with he and his wife living upstairs and me downstairs. This would be an ideal solution to both problems I have with my current housing situation. I'm not going to suggest my luck is turning--one mustn't tempt fate--bit I'm feeling more positive than at any time since before I caught COVID last November.
Cei-U! I summon the cautious optimism!
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Post by shaxper on Jul 18, 2023 10:25:59 GMT -5
More good news: the process for purchasing me a new, improved motorized wheelchair (my current one is 14 years old) with all the fancy-schmancy bells and whistles is now officially underway. The preliminary fitting is next Monday. AND my weekend caregiver Bill, an old friend from my days at the Washington State Attorney General's Office, has suggested that, once his lease is up early next year, we find a split-level house to rent, with he and his wife living upstairs and me downstairs. This would be an ideal solution to both problems I have with my current housing situation. I'm not going to suggest my luck is turning--one mustn't tempt fate--bit I'm feeling more positive than at any time since before I caught COVID last November. Cei-U! I summon the cautious optimism! This is fantastic news! Especially the part about Bill. Crossing all my limbs for you!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2023 13:05:16 GMT -5
Using up some vacation time accumulated over the last 3 years (that's the fun part about working from home, I didn't have to use as much). So I'm flying out tomorrow. With some luck I might get as far as Vancouver in Canada and maybe a 2024 rally along the way. Be back in early September.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 19, 2023 13:07:59 GMT -5
Finally, after over a month, I can use my kitchen sink and dishwasher again. My cluster of units, in my apartment building, had some kind of drain issue, underneath the building, but they couldn't get a close access to it. Part of the problem was accumulated water that made finding the source of the issue impossible. The landlord asked us not to use the dishwasher or put anything down the sink drains, to dry it out. Yesterday, they cut a hole in the floor next door to get to the area and I guess were able to identify and fix it (though I was worried when my sink and dishwasher were filled with water, as just after Barb died, I was dealing with the drains backing up and flooding my kitchen, via the dishwasher, because some idiot kept dumping grease down the drain). No more washing dishes in a wash tub, in the bathroom. No more debating whether it was worth cooking something at home or just pick up food elsewhere.
Nothing compared to Cei-U's trials and tribulations, but we all have our own cross; etc, etc.....
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