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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 11:05:19 GMT -5
My wife just told me as I walked by her from the kitchen that she was reading an Avengers/Sesame Street fan fiction cross-over in which the MCU Avengers stumble onto Sesame Street when dealing with the aftermath of the the Chitauri invasion. I think my brain has melted (especially since it was in a jelly-like state after reading Warren Ellis' most recent newsletter). -M And this is why I don't read, or participate in the creation of, fanfiction. Not my thing. Never will be. I've tried. But I cannot. I am not made of the stuff that can handle fanfiction. Gah. Every comic ever written not by the original creators is either pastiche or fan-fiction; professional fan fiction*, but fan-fiction or pastiche nonetheless. -M *Amazon even takes submissions for such for properties they have licensed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 11:09:23 GMT -5
My wife just told me as I walked by her from the kitchen that she was reading an Avengers/Sesame Street fan fiction cross-over in which the MCU Avengers stumble onto Sesame Street when dealing with the aftermath of the the Chitauri invasion. I think my brain has melted (especially since it was in a jelly-like state after reading Warren Ellis' most recent newsletter). -M I've never heard of this, but I'm strangely intrigued, if only to find out if that little red demon Elmo was killed in the battle, although I wouldn't imagine either Black Widow or Hawkeye putting up with Elmo too long if he did survive and one of them "accidentally" letting a Widow's Bite or arrow finish him off. I once played in a tabletop rpg at a convention using the WOrld Of Darkness rules (Vampire, MAge, Werewolf, etc.) called the Wacky World of Darkness where all the players played cartoon characters (Inspector Gadget, Scooby Doo, Shaggy (my character) the Count (from Sesame Street) Slimer form Ghostbusters, etc.) and the plot was to determine why people were disappearing off of Sesame Street, and the answer/villain was Oscar the Grouch, who was a demon and his trash can was actually a gate to hell. Luckily we had the help of the great djinni Snuffleupagus and the advice of the wiseman who lived with the blue people in the mushroom village to aid our quest -M
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jan 18, 2016 11:34:41 GMT -5
I am sorry to hear that others are having hard times. I know mine aren't much better right now. It's why I've been keeping off here so as to not drag everyone else down.
I stayed home from work today and not for a happy reason. I got up the same time I usually do, forgetting the boys don't have school today, so I had time to kill. I got dressed and got back in bed (so I wouldn't fall asleep again) and was checking forums on my phone. I hadn't realized my wife was still awake, and had been most of the night. She pulled close to me crying and saying she wanted to give up, and asking if she could. She can't sleep and her bipolar has literally been chipping away at her in the last 2-3 years. I called my boss so I could stay home from work. Later as I laid there with her she told me that she thought about cutting herself again. Something she hadn't done since before I ever met her. I asked her why would she do that? And she said it so someone could see that she was in pain. Which I guess I take as feeling left out, though I didn't say much after that but for her to please not hurt herself. I have always trusted her with our boys, but I've feared this long before she told me that this morning, as I read a lot about bipolar to try and understand it. But I can't stay home forever, I have to work. Hopefully after she gets some rest we can maybe talk if she wants to. It's scary to think you are prepared for stuff academically, but when it is personally affecting you, just how little that academic preparation is. Though I think it at least kept me from overreacting outwardly.
I am to go with her Thursday to her therapist to sign some papers so that I can admit her to the hospital if needed. She told me about that last week so I could prepare for time off work. So I was assuming she wasn't feeling stable. The papers are so I can admit her to the hospital even if she is unwilling at the time. I guess she's afraid she's falling into a place where she won't be in the right frame of mind to take care of herself.
Thankfully we have plans with a good friend this weekend to met up with for a meal and drinks. And my sister and brother in law are going to take the boys to see The Force Awakens while we enjoy a night out. I am hoping that will help and that a change in the usual pace will lift her up some out of this low.
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Post by impulse on Jan 18, 2016 11:37:43 GMT -5
I hear some people aren't buying the reason provided by Disney claiming the original footage is too rough to give an HD/Blu Ray rendition. Especially since it's believed that the original film was worked on in 1997 for the Special Editions. That and the people that worked on the De-Specialized edition did such a fantastic job. Perhaps it's just a PR reason from Disney that basically doesn't point the finger at Lucasfilm for them not being legally obligated to give the originals their due. Whatever. I hope they do get an official re-release. Although I am satisfied with the Despecialized Edition. Yeah, I don't know if the reason is true or not. I seem to recall reading that yes, while the original was worked on for the 1997 special editions, I heard George cut/pasted/drew/whatever right over his copies, so that is part of the condition problem. One, no idea how accurate or complete that is, and two and probably more importantly, I highly doubt those are the only film copies of the movies available. I don't know if Disney has financial incentive to do it, or if there any other reasons they don't want to, but I'd love an official HD cleaned up version of the theatrical cuts. While the folks who did the De-Specialized editions absolutely did a FANTASTIC job, there are still spots where you can tell the quality drops to an upscaled DVD from the HD blu ray. I am satisfied with the De-Specialized editions if that is the closest we get, but an official profession release would also be great.
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Post by Mormel on Jan 18, 2016 11:57:17 GMT -5
I am sorry to hear that others are having hard times. I know mine aren't much better right now. (...) I am hoping that will help and that a change in the usual pace will lift her up some out of this low. Sorry to read she's going through such a dark cloud, emotionally, AW2099. I can only imagine how rough this must be on her, and on you as well. I hope those steps you guys are taking will help to bring her back to a happier place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 12:03:37 GMT -5
And this is why I don't read, or participate in the creation of, fanfiction. Not my thing. Never will be. I've tried. But I cannot. I am not made of the stuff that can handle fanfiction. Gah. Every comic ever written not by the original creators is either pastiche or fan-fiction; professional fan fiction*, but fan-fiction or pastiche nonetheless. -M *Amazon even takes submissions for such for properties they have licensed Well, then, I guess I have had horrible luck coming across good fanfiction, written by someone who was not professionally writing. Most of the fic I have come across has been complete character destruction by almost unthinkable means.
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Post by Mormel on Jan 18, 2016 12:15:53 GMT -5
I hear some people aren't buying the reason provided by Disney claiming the original footage is too rough to give an HD/Blu Ray rendition. Especially since it's believed that the original film was worked on in 1997 for the Special Editions. That and the people that worked on the De-Specialized edition did such a fantastic job. Perhaps it's just a PR reason from Disney that basically doesn't point the finger at Lucasfilm for them not being legally obligated to give the originals their due. Whatever. I hope they do get an official re-release. Although I am satisfied with the Despecialized Edition. Yeah, I don't know if the reason is true or not. I seem to recall reading that yes, while the original was worked on for the 1997 special editions, I heard George cut/pasted/drew/whatever right over his copies, so that is part of the condition problem. One, no idea how accurate or complete that is, and two and probably more importantly, I highly doubt those are the only film copies of the movies available. I don't know if Disney has financial incentive to do it, or if there any other reasons they don't want to, but I'd love an official HD cleaned up version of the theatrical cuts. While the folks who did the De-Specialized editions absolutely did a FANTASTIC job, there are still spots where you can tell the quality drops to an upscaled DVD from the HD blu ray. I am satisfied with the De-Specialized editions if that is the closest we get, but an official profession release would also be great. I need to track those down(the De-Specialized editions), I'm curious how they turned out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 12:18:29 GMT -5
Every comic ever written not by the original creators is either pastiche or fan-fiction; professional fan fiction*, but fan-fiction or pastiche nonetheless. -M *Amazon even takes submissions for such for properties they have licensed Well, then, I guess I have had horrible luck coming across good fanfiction, written by someone who was not professionally writing. Most of the fic I have come across has been complete character destruction by almost unthinkable means. You mean like Superman going from champion of the underdog and anti-establishment rebel under the pen of Siegel and Shuster to myopic champion of the American way from the Atomic/Silver Age onwards? Or perhaps lovable loser everyman Peter Parker marrying super-models and then selling his soul to the devil to undo that and now running some mega-corps as a CEO...because that's the experience of everyman or... one person's cool story is another person's bad fan-fic (professional or not) and character destruction. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 12:19:46 GMT -5
Well, then, I guess I have had horrible luck coming across good fanfiction, written by someone who was not professionally writing. Most of the fic I have come across has been complete character destruction by almost unthinkable means. You mean like Superman going from champion of the underdog and anti-establishment rebel under the pen of Siegel and Shuster to myopic champion of the American way from the Atomic/Silver Age onwards? Or perhaps lovable loser everyman Peter Parker marrying super-models and then selling his soul to the devil to undo that and now running some mega-corps as a CEO...because that's the experience of everyman or... one person's cool story is another person's bad fan-fic (professional or not) and character destruction. -M That is not what I am talking about or meant, and I think you well know that.
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Post by Mormel on Jan 18, 2016 12:32:41 GMT -5
Every comic ever written not by the original creators is either pastiche or fan-fiction; professional fan fiction*, but fan-fiction or pastiche nonetheless. -M *Amazon even takes submissions for such for properties they have licensed Well, then, I guess I have had horrible luck coming across good fanfiction, written by someone who was not professionally writing. Most of the fic I have come across has been complete character destruction by almost unthinkable means. I like fanfiction in theory, but usually I lose interest while reading, because I keep wanting the story to appear in its original media form (tv show, movie, comic book), and the written prose form takes me out of it. And I love fictional prose. I think I just haven't given it an even chance yet.
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Post by Mormel on Jan 18, 2016 12:35:36 GMT -5
Wasn't Peter de-aged into his teen years? Or has that been undone. I haven't been keeping up.
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Post by The Captain on Jan 18, 2016 13:04:50 GMT -5
I've never heard of this, but I'm strangely intrigued, if only to find out if that little red demon Elmo was killed in the battle, although I wouldn't imagine either Black Widow or Hawkeye putting up with Elmo too long if he did survive and one of them "accidentally" letting a Widow's Bite or arrow finish him off. I once played in a tabletop rpg at a convention using the WOrld Of Darkness rules (Vampire, MAge, Werewolf, etc.) called the Wacky World of Darkness where all the players played cartoon characters (Inspector Gadget, Scooby Doo, Shaggy (my character) the Count (from Sesame Street) Slimer form Ghostbusters, etc.) and the plot was to determine why people were disappearing off of Sesame Street, and the answer/villain was Oscar the Grouch, who was a demon and his trash can was actually a gate to hell. Luckily we had the help of the great djinni Snuffleupagus and the advice of the wiseman who lived with the blue people in the mushroom village to aid our quest -M I would play that game in a heartbeat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 13:07:43 GMT -5
You mean like Superman going from champion of the underdog and anti-establishment rebel under the pen of Siegel and Shuster to myopic champion of the American way from the Atomic/Silver Age onwards? Or perhaps lovable loser everyman Peter Parker marrying super-models and then selling his soul to the devil to undo that and now running some mega-corps as a CEO...because that's the experience of everyman or... one person's cool story is another person's bad fan-fic (professional or not) and character destruction. -M That is not what I am talking about or meant, and I think you well know that. But it is, it is people other than the creators (whether professional or not) imposing their view on another's creation that they are a fan of to produce new stories. Just because the person doing so is paid or has professional storytelling credits doesn't mean they are not fundamentally changing the characters as conceived. We make an artificial distinction between fan-fiction and acceptable fiction, but they come form the same place-someone using someone else's creations to tell the stories they want to tell. Canon is an imaginary magic wand to see this person's stories count or are official and this person's isn't, but none of them are the original creators and they are all doing pastiche and fan-fiction. The divide is in the eyes of the consumer, not in the activity of the creators. Homer* wrote fan fiction. The characters predated him. The stories predated him. Shakespeare wrote fan fiction essentially. Their stuff was damn good but that doesn't change the fact they were telling their own stories, with their own goals and agendas, using pre-existing characters they liked or had ideas for. People want to degrade the stories told by some people because they don't have some sort of official sanction or stamp of approval by companies/publishers by labelling them as fan-fiction when they are selling the same thing but using smoke and mirrors to manipulate you into thinking one is more real or valid than the other so they can continue to make money of their own efforts and marginalize efforts outside their purview. It's a very 20th century concept to legitimatize some storytelling efforts and dismiss others regardless of quality. Like the Avengers, well The Crossing is no better than a lo of fan fiction out there, and in fact there are probably lots of fan-fics that are better and do less ot destroy characters in unmentionable ways, but as bad as the Crossing is, it gets a pass of sorts because ti was official. People dismiss it as terrible comics, but don't say it's not real, it's just fan-fiction, when it essentially is, Marvel just waved their magic wand like the blue fairy making it a real boy.. I mean real Avengers story or some such. Quality is not the deciding factor in the divide between "real" fiction and fan fiction. Corporate sanction and the power it has on the fan's mindset and perceptions is. -M *Homer is a collective puppet for the accretion of oral tradition into a written form, but most people think of him as a single real author even though it is likely the recording of a long-developing tradition sahped by many hands over generations, I use it as a term of convenience for the analogy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 13:10:25 GMT -5
I once played in a tabletop rpg at a convention using the WOrld Of Darkness rules (Vampire, MAge, Werewolf, etc.) called the Wacky World of Darkness where all the players played cartoon characters (Inspector Gadget, Scooby Doo, Shaggy (my character) the Count (from Sesame Street) Slimer form Ghostbusters, etc.) and the plot was to determine why people were disappearing off of Sesame Street, and the answer/villain was Oscar the Grouch, who was a demon and his trash can was actually a gate to hell. Luckily we had the help of the great djinni Snuffleupagus and the advice of the wiseman who lived with the blue people in the mushroom village to aid our quest -M I would play that game in a heartbeat. It was a blast. The due who played the Count was hysterical even taking it to his table mannerisms. When old to roll 4 ten sided dice for instance, he would start, one...two...three...four...four ten sided dice to roll..ah..ha..ha..ha...ha! The game quickly attracted a ground of about 40-50 people standing and watching us play for most of the 4 hour block. It is one of the best con game experiences I had as a fan going to shows to play. -M
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Post by impulse on Jan 18, 2016 15:57:29 GMT -5
Or perhaps lovable loser everyman Peter Parker marrying super-models and then selling his soul to the devil to undo that and now running some mega-corps as a CEO...because that's the experience of everyman ...I mean, haven't most sensible people already written that off as bad fanfic? And yeah, I see what you are saying, but surely you can agree there is a difference between what is meant by an "official" story in an ongoing series compared to the glut of middling-at-best fan fiction posted all over the internet? That is not to say that there is no good fanfic, or that sanctioned stories can't be bad, but I think the difference in the context discussed here is fairly clear. Though I do agree with you on it being largely new to the 20th century, but that is mainly because I think the concept of a serialized, ongoing persistent shared universe/timeline like modern comics is a relatively new phenomenon. I am certainly not a literary history buff, though. Are there any other examples such a thing? Because they persist as a single ongoing thing for so long, its unfeasible for the original creators to keep on running the show forever, and a personnel shift or an ending become inevitable. Anyway, I find this topic very interesting.
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