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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 17, 2016 14:48:23 GMT -5
I just read this and am very, very, very upset that this fellow belongs to the same species as mine. I am not religious, but if evil exists it must be pretty close to that guy.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 17, 2016 15:10:17 GMT -5
I just read this and am very, very, very upset that this fellow belongs to the same species as mine. I am not religious, but if evil exists it must be pretty close to that guy. I hadn't seen this previously, but now having read it, I'm absolutely disgusted by his words as well as his church's stance on homosexuality. I can tell you that I have seen many posts on Facebook this week (my wife has an account and shows me things from time to time) from our Christian friends expressing sadness, anger, sympathy, and disbelief at the tragedy in Orlando last weekend. There was no condemnation of the victims, no "they got what they deserved" messages, and certainly nothing approaching what this individual said. Jesus commanded us to love our neighbors as ourselves, something this man seemingly missed during his time studying to become a pastor, and just know that he does not represent me or many others Christians' feelings on this matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 16:44:30 GMT -5
Lynda Carter and Muhammad AliPicture of them back in the late 80's (I believe) and I'm sorry that I still have this picture and I wished I shared it when he died. Good News EveryoneLater this fall ... I will restart the Lynda Carter Appreciation Thread - I worked out a deal with the fella that I sold my pictures and he said that I can share them again for all of you here.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 17, 2016 19:16:03 GMT -5
Jesus commanded us to love our neighbors as ourselves, something this man seemingly missed during his time studying to become a pastor, and just know that he does not represent me or many others Christians' feelings on this matter. That's the point that mystifies me the most whenever an individual like that appears : don't they read their own sacred book? Do they choose to pick and chooses the parts that better reflect their own prejudices and hatreds? In the case of Christianity that should not even be possible, since Jesus makes it clear that whatever old rules were set in the Old Testament are trumped by love for one's neighbour. It's not an interpretation, it's right there in black and white on the page. But I fear that for some people, hatred is just too strong to let a little thing like one's own god telling us to love our neighbours no matter what. (Hatred and, obviously, nothing resembling humility). Good thing that this creep and people like the Westboro monsters are the exception and not the rule!
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 17, 2016 19:55:01 GMT -5
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 17, 2016 19:57:07 GMT -5
Jesus commanded us to love our neighbors as ourselves, something this man seemingly missed during his time studying to become a pastor, and just know that he does not represent me or many others Christians' feelings on this matter. That's the point that mystifies me the most whenever an individual like that appears : don't they read their own sacred book? In their defense, it's quite long and rather dull...
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Post by Confessor on Jun 18, 2016 6:20:11 GMT -5
I just read this and am very, very, very upset that this fellow belongs to the same species as mine. Hallelujah! Praise the lord! His lovingkindness is everlasting. What a hateful f***wit! Jesus commanded us to love our neighbors as ourselves, something this man seemingly missed during his time studying to become a pastor, and just know that he does not represent me or many others Christians' feelings on this matter. That's the point that mystifies me the most whenever an individual like that appears : don't they read their own sacred book? Do they choose to pick and chooses the parts that better reflect their own prejudices and hatreds? Ye...yes, they do. This is a problem with all religious zealots and the holy texts that they read from. It happens in all faiths -- just look at Muslim extremists. I'm pretty sure they're "interpreting" a very different version of the Koran to the people down at my local mosque. I've even seen this kind of selective interpretation of religious texts undertaken by Buddhists.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 18, 2016 7:08:06 GMT -5
That's the point that mystifies me the most whenever an individual like that appears : don't they read their own sacred book? Do they choose to pick and chooses the parts that better reflect their own prejudices and hatreds? Ye...yes, they do. This is a problem with all religious zealots and the holy texts that they read from. It happens in all faiths -- just look at Muslim extremists. I'm pretty sure they're "interpreting" a very different version of the Koran to the people down at my local mosque. I've even seen this kind of selective interpretation of religious texts undertaken by Buddhists. I've gotten into some pretty heated debates with people, including in some of my Bible studies, over this very thing. They want to focus on one verse in Leviticus about homosexuality (and depending on the translation, it can mean different and/or specific forms of homosexual activity), but they handwave away many other prohibited acts as being only ceremonial law or dietary law or garment law, saying violating those is just breaking Mosaic Law, not actually sinning. I've pointed out that Jesus said more about divorce in his teachings than he ever did homosexuality, but they argue that away as well. It's frustrating, but I believe that they will be judged at the end based on the totality of their lives and that if they harbor hatred toward others in their hearts, which is against God's command, they will be dealt with accordingly.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 18, 2016 8:02:18 GMT -5
Ye...yes, they do. This is a problem with all religious zealots and the holy texts that they read from. It happens in all faiths -- just look at Muslim extremists. I'm pretty sure they're "interpreting" a very different version of the Koran to the people down at my local mosque. I've even seen this kind of selective interpretation of religious texts undertaken by Buddhists. I've gotten into some pretty heated debates with people, including in some of my Bible studies, over this very thing. They want to focus on one verse in Leviticus about homosexuality (and depending on the translation, it can mean different and/or specific forms of homosexual activity), but they handwave away many other prohibited acts as being only ceremonial law or dietary law or garment law, saying violating those is just breaking Mosaic Law, not actually sinning. I've pointed out that Jesus said more about divorce in his teachings than he ever did homosexuality, but they argue that away as well. It's frustrating, but I believe that they will be judged at the end based on the totality of their lives and that if they harbor hatred toward others in their hearts, which is against God's command, they will be dealt with accordingly. The thing that always blows my mind with these sorts of people, and I guess I'm talking about Christians exclusively now, is that, surely whatever the Bible says, it's still only a book written by human hands -- albeit human hands guided by the will of God himself. But the thing is, Jesus very much led by example. He forgave the sinners. Even those sinners who betrayed him or spoke out against him. Even the lord's prayer says, "forgive us, as we forgive those who trespass against us." Forgiveness is the most basic tenant of Christianity, surely? Getting engrossed in the minutiae of what the Bible says on a particular subject and the specific interpretations of that text down the years and in various translations is kinda missing the point. Even if we accept for a moment that God does indeed strictly forbid homosexuality, I'm pretty sure that if Jesus were on earth now he'd forgive those who practice homosexuality in the same way that he forgave those who nailed him to a tree!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 18, 2016 9:25:43 GMT -5
Agreed.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 18, 2016 14:42:30 GMT -5
I've gotten into some pretty heated debates with people, including in some of my Bible studies, over this very thing. They want to focus on one verse in Leviticus about homosexuality (and depending on the translation, it can mean different and/or specific forms of homosexual activity), but they handwave away many other prohibited acts as being only ceremonial law or dietary law or garment law, saying violating those is just breaking Mosaic Law, not actually sinning. I've pointed out that Jesus said more about divorce in his teachings than he ever did homosexuality, but they argue that away as well. It's frustrating, but I believe that they will be judged at the end based on the totality of their lives and that if they harbor hatred toward others in their hearts, which is against God's command, they will be dealt with accordingly. The thing that always blows my mind with these sorts of people, and I guess I'm talking about Christians exclusively now, is that, surely whatever the Bible says, it's still only a book written by human hands -- albeit human hands guided by the will of God himself. But the thing is, Jesus very much led by example. He forgave the sinners. Even those sinners who betrayed him or spoke out against him. Even the lord's prayer says, "forgive us, as we forgive those who trespass against us." Forgiveness is the most basic tenant of Christianity, surely? Getting engrossed in the minutiae of what the Bible says on a particular subject and the specific interpretations of that text down the years and in various translations is kinda missing the point. Even if we accept for a moment that God does indeed strictly forbid homosexuality, I'm pretty sure that if Jesus were on earth now he'd forgive those who practice homosexuality in the same way that he forgave those who nailed him to a tree! Here's the thing : some believe the Bible was written by men, some believe it is the actual word of God. How do you dispute if it's God's word ?
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jun 18, 2016 17:45:54 GMT -5
Here's the thing : some believe the Bible was written by men, some believe it is the actual word of God. How do you dispute if it's God's word ? Easy, you dispute god. It's neither that crazy nor that new.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 18, 2016 22:00:15 GMT -5
I understand but not everyone feels the same about the issue.
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Post by Wild Card on Jun 19, 2016 10:28:23 GMT -5
Today I get the keys to my first very own appartment! Took me long enough, having lived with relatives up til now. Yay! My own pad! It's a really nice place, too, living room w/ two bedrooms, nice neighbourhood, rent is cheap, and it's closer to where I work. Now I just need to build a batcave to aid me in my crime fighting. Congrats!! That's awesome! I'm happy for you! <3
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Post by The Captain on Jun 19, 2016 10:50:46 GMT -5
Happy Father's Day to all of our male members with offspring!
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