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Post by hondobrode on Jun 19, 2016 16:47:24 GMT -5
Susan made me a nice homemade dinner and I talked or texted with my kids and family, so it was all I could want.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 20, 2016 7:30:53 GMT -5
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Post by Confessor on Jun 20, 2016 8:23:39 GMT -5
The thing that always blows my mind with these sorts of people, and I guess I'm talking about Christians exclusively now, is that, surely whatever the Bible says, it's still only a book written by human hands -- albeit human hands guided by the will of God himself. But the thing is, Jesus very much led by example. He forgave the sinners. Even those sinners who betrayed him or spoke out against him. Even the lord's prayer says, "forgive us, as we forgive those who trespass against us." Forgiveness is the most basic tenant of Christianity, surely? Getting engrossed in the minutiae of what the Bible says on a particular subject and the specific interpretations of that text down the years and in various translations is kinda missing the point. Even if we accept for a moment that God does indeed strictly forbid homosexuality, I'm pretty sure that if Jesus were on earth now he'd forgive those who practice homosexuality in the same way that he forgave those who nailed him to a tree! Here's the thing : some believe the Bible was written by men, some believe it is the actual word of God. How do you dispute if it's God's word ? Sorry if I've misunderstood you here, hondo, but the argument about whether the Bible is strictly the word of God or not is kind of academic here. Whether you believe it is or you're a bit more incredulous about it, the fact is that, if you're a Christian, surely it's obvious that forgiveness and tolerance are the most basic tenants of your religion. I'm assuming all Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God and, as I say, he led by example. You can argue about the specifics of what the book says and on the exact way to accurately translate the ancient Hebrew scriptures, but at the end of the day, even the most basic stories of Jesus's life -- the one's we all learn in primary school -- show forgiveness as being central to Christianity. So, for a so-called Christian to say that the pity is that more homosexuals didn't die in the Orlando shooting is not just abhorent to me, it also leaves me scratching my head over this idiot's interpretation of the religion on which he's based his life. For the record, I'm not a Christian myself, by the way.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 20, 2016 9:35:38 GMT -5
I was being facetious in the above post, so, understood.
Don't mean to step on anyone's toes or have anything taken the wrong way.
I believe the Bible is a mass of teachings and writings of Jesus' life and the Old Testament before. Despite the origins, divine intervention, etc., it has been the basis of the Jewish and Christian faiths for thousands of years.
There are good things in it.
I was raised a strong Catholic by strong Catholic parents. FWIW, I don't follow Catholicism or any other organized religion. I used to consider myself an aetheist (there is no god) but now consider myself an agnostic (there is no god that I know of but that doesn't mean there absolutely couldn't be one).
anyway...
I know many who believe the Bible is directly the hand of God as interpreted by man, and as such, is literal and should be followed as such.
If a person truly believed that, it would be extremely hard to dissuade them as logic gaps are attributed to faith and a concept that is infallible despite what we may think.
That was the context of what I meant to say, though it came out clumsily.
Sorry Confessor. My bad.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 20, 2016 15:52:42 GMT -5
I believe the Bible is a mass of teachings and writings of Jesus' life and the Old Testament before. Despite the origins, divine intervention, etc., it has been the basis of the Jewish and Christian faiths for thousands of years. Close, but not exactly true about the Jewish faith. The "Old Testament" in Christian Bibles is based on Jewish scriptures, but it's a version that was selected, translated and edited by Christians, for a Christian audience, for the purpose of Christian evangelism. Many Christians and others who grew up in a Christian cultural environment (not necessarily you, Hondo) think that Judaism is just like Christianity except that Jesus is missing. The two faiths are actually quite different. I recommend www.whatjewsbelieve.org/ and www.jewfaq.org/beliefs.htm if you want to know more. About atheism and agnosticism - to sum it up in as few words as possible, people who study this regard theism and gnosis as orthogonal. In plainer English, it isn't a spectrum with theism at one end, atheism at the other, and agnosticism in the middle. It's two separate questions - one about belief in god(s) - that's the theist/atheist one - and one about completeness of knowledge & openness to new evidence - that's the gnostic/agnostic one. So there are basically four positions: - gnostic theist - believes in at least one god, not open to new evidence - agnostic theist - believes in at least one god but is willing to consider changing based on new evidence - gnostic atheist - believes in no gods, not open to new evidence - agnostic atheist - believes in no gods but is willing to consider changing based on new evidence So there's no problem being both "agnostic" and "atheist". You don't have to give up one to be the other. From what I've seen, most atheists are agnostic, but many people assume "gnostic" when they hear "atheist" (not that they think in those terms, but they would if this were explained to them).
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Post by The Captain on Jun 21, 2016 10:20:07 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with my best friend. He told me his mother has Stage 4 pancreatic cancer. She's a great lady, tough and strong and funny as all get-out and loves her grandkids more than anything, and if there is anyone who is going to grab cancer by its balls and twist until it gives up, it's her.
Even still, I feel like I just got kicked in the gut. Gonna be a long afternoon.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jun 21, 2016 15:04:28 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with my best friend. He told me his mother has Stage 4 pancreatic cancer. She's a great lady, tough and strong and funny as all get-out and loves her grandkids more than anything, and if there is anyone who is going to grab cancer by its balls and twist until it gives up, it's her. Even still, I feel like I just got kicked in the gut. Gonna be a long afternoon. So sorry to hear about your friend's mother. Hope she kicks the crap out of her cancer.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 21, 2016 15:46:38 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with my best friend. He told me his mother has Stage 4 pancreatic cancer. She's a great lady, tough and strong and funny as all get-out and loves her grandkids more than anything, and if there is anyone who is going to grab cancer by its balls and twist until it gives up, it's her. Even still, I feel like I just got kicked in the gut. Gonna be a long afternoon. She sounds like the type that can do it. My mom kicked her cancer and a friend of ours did too. The friend claims changing her diet immediately to what this nutritionist told her, in addition to her chemo and working out, is what knocked it out. Best wishes for her and you as well Cap.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 17:15:48 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with my best friend. He told me his mother has Stage 4 pancreatic cancer. She's a great lady, tough and strong and funny as all get-out and loves her grandkids more than anything, and if there is anyone who is going to grab cancer by its balls and twist until it gives up, it's her. Even still, I feel like I just got kicked in the gut. Gonna be a long afternoon. Man, I feel for you The Captain and I wish you and your best friend's Mom can fight this horrible disease and I wished all the best and fight it. Please keep all of us informed and I'll be thinking of her always!
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Post by Confessor on Jun 21, 2016 18:02:53 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with my best friend. He told me his mother has Stage 4 pancreatic cancer. She's a great lady, tough and strong and funny as all get-out and loves her grandkids more than anything, and if there is anyone who is going to grab cancer by its balls and twist until it gives up, it's her. Even still, I feel like I just got kicked in the gut. Gonna be a long afternoon. Sorry to hear about that, Cap. I hope it all works out and she's able to kick the cancer.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 21, 2016 20:21:28 GMT -5
Thanks for all the kind words, guys. Right now, my main focus is on my buddy, as I'm really worried about him having to go through this. He lost his dad when he was only 10, and since he's an only child, it's been just him and his mom for the past 25 years. He got divorced a couple of years ago and moved back in with her, partly because it was closer to work but also because he needed some help with his three kids (he eventually got full custody of them, as his ex-wife wants little to do with them), so she has been a big part of their lives as well. It would be a huge blow to the entire family if she passed because of this.
He and I have talked about faith a lot during our time as friends, and I know he is a believer, so prayers for him, his mom, and his kids would be great.
As always, I think it goes without saying that this is one of the best, if not the best, communities on the internet. It's been a blessing in my life in many ways, and I'm always thankful for, but never surprised by, the kindness and compassion that folks show for others around here.
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Post by wickedmountain on Jun 22, 2016 23:27:27 GMT -5
Bored :/
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Post by wickedmountain on Jun 22, 2016 23:28:31 GMT -5
Thanks for all the kind words, guys. Right now, my main focus is on my buddy, as I'm really worried about him having to go through this. He lost his dad when he was only 10, and since he's an only child, it's been just him and his mom for the past 25 years. He got divorced a couple of years ago and moved back in with her, partly because it was closer to work but also because he needed some help with his three kids (he eventually got full custody of them, as his ex-wife wants little to do with them), so she has been a big part of their lives as well. It would be a huge blow to the entire family if she passed because of this. He and I have talked about faith a lot during our time as friends, and I know he is a believer, so prayers for him, his mom, and his kids would be great. As always, I think it goes without saying that this is one of the best, if not the best, communities on the internet. It's been a blessing in my life in many ways, and I'm always thankful for, but never surprised by, the kindness and compassion that folks show for others around here. Prayers sent friend for her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 10:37:31 GMT -5
Apropos of absolutely nothing, was leaving a local restaurant's parking lot a few days ago when I noticed an Edsel parked near the building. That may well be the first one I've ever seen.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 23, 2016 11:04:40 GMT -5
Apropos of absolutely nothing, was leaving a local restaurant's parking lot a few days ago when I noticed an Edsel parked near the building. That may well be the first one I've ever seen. I've seen a few at car shows. But I've never seen one in the wild.
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