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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 20:19:29 GMT -5
Ok, so kind of a strange question-I have been doing some research on the size of original art for the traditional Sunday comic strip, in particular the adventure strips like the old Flash Gordon strips. I did manage to find this... giving a 6 1/4 inch high by 13 inch wide area for the art in Format D, but nothing corroborating this as a standard. I know strips are reproduced much smaller now than in the heydey of the the adventure strips, but does anyone have any info on the standard size for the original art, the proportion of reproduction and the additionally the logistics of uploading/hosting the art as a web strip? Amy and I have been kicking around an idea for a feature for about 10 years now, looking for the right format and right time to do it, and some conversations I had at Champion City with other creators led to a semi-promise we would put together a sample story to show them by Gem City in the spring, and we hit upon the potential idea of doing it as a web comic in the Sunday adventure strip format for the sample before deciding on the final format we would pursue, giving us a chance to explore some visual storytelling techniques on a small scale before undertaking something bigger, plus the smaller art area of the art board might let us get away with only having a standard size scanner for now (fingers crossed). This is all still in the talking stages, but am trying to do some due diligence to figure out some of the logistical obstacles if we do dive in. The rub is Amy works digitally most times, while I prefer pen, pencil & paper, and I'd be doing the breakdowns while she would do finished art/colors most likely, (she likes to illustrate but not do the work of the sequential art so I'd do the grunt work of that on paper before scanning in-I know I could get away with doing it an size if I wanted and resize it digitally, but having Luddite tendencies I am hoping to cut down on some of the technical headaches by finding a standard size for the art and hope it works with the scanner size we have). -M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 16, 2017 11:46:36 GMT -5
Part of the problem you're going to have is that the "standard" size changed over time, getting progressively smaller. And even within a given time period the space available would vary somewhat within papers and whether it was a standard paper or a tabloid. That's one of the reasons that Sunday strips originally had 'toppers' (Jungle Jim started out as the topper to Flash Gordon).
I recognize that none of this is particularly helpful. If I get a chance to dig around I'll see if I can find anything more helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 12:38:35 GMT -5
Part of the problem you're going to have is that the "standard" size changed over time, getting progressively smaller. And even within a given time period the space available would vary somewhat within papers and whether it was a standard paper or a tabloid. That's one of the reasons that Sunday strips originally had 'toppers' (Jungle Jim started out as the topper to Flash Gordon). I recognize that none of this is particularly helpful. If I get a chance to dig around I'll see if I can find anything more helpful. I know the printed size of the strips changed over time, which changed the proportion of reduction, but I don't think the standard size for the original art changed. I could be wrong. -M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 16, 2017 12:46:06 GMT -5
Gotcha. Sorry. I wasn't following. Interesting question.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 14:44:56 GMT -5
I guess I need to find a Heritage Auction or a Haake's auction or something similar that might have original art for Sunday pages up for sale and see what the dimensions are, but the collector market has moved past comic strips and focuses on comic book art, so they rarely come up that I know of because demand isn't there any more. I think they are still premium pieces and fetch decent prices, but they are no longer the things that bring people to the auction in quantity where their spending carry-over to other items makes them attractive to the auction houses who want quantity of customers participating to bring higher prices on all pieces.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 14:46:12 GMT -5
Just had a stray thought, I might be able to contact the Billy Ireland Museum of cartoon art on the Ohio State campus and talk to someone there or view an online catalog of their holdings to get some insight. Why it took me this long to think of it, I am not sure.
-M
PS e-mail sent to the Billy Ireland museum, so we'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 19:56:00 GMT -5
I received a reply from the Billy Ireland library with a link to their archives photos of Prince Valiant original art with dimensions provided, so I will be able to find my answer digging through their archives. Huzzah for the Billy Ireland library.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 23:13:51 GMT -5
Well the answer seems to be there was no standard, but there is a range of close proximity. All the database measurements are in metric, so conversions are approximations in inches, but looking at Raymond Flash Gordon. Foster and John Cullen Murphy Prince Valiants, and Mike Grell Tarzan Sundays, the range is about 16 (height) x 22-24 (width) give or take fractions of inches in either direction, which seems rather large and perhaps larger than the art boards used for comics (which typically is 11 x 17 with a 10 x 15 area for the art.
Just a quick glance at the daily strip original art, which of course is smaller, but it seems the Sundays had all the stops pulled out for them in terms of quality. I did find premade art boards for sale for sequential strips that were 5 x 17, meant for the daily type strips.
So the standard is there seems to be no set standard, but there is an acceptable range of deviation.
-M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 17, 2017 12:32:57 GMT -5
Well now we know. And knowing is half the battle.
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