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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 13:50:23 GMT -5
I'm all set to go ... Have 16 pictures ready and in order and excited to share them on the 13th of December! ... Kurt, the top 4 villains gets 2 pictures each.
I understand that you can only post two pictures per villain and I'm sticking to that rule. I got 7 Female Villains and 5 Male Villains lined up. Looking forward to this event; and seeing what other members has selected too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 14:26:40 GMT -5
For me, the biggest challenge in preparing for this is separating the my feelings for the design of the villains form the stories they appeared in. Some of my favorite villains based on the stories they appeared in just aren't all that visually appealing or well designed. And as much as I love those villains, they won't appear on a list focused on visual appeal and design for me. Meanwhile some of the designs for villains and antagonists that really catch my eye are characters I have less love for the stories they appeared in, or I am less familiar with their stories. The top spot on my list is set, and was set from the moment the topic was announced (one of my favorite villains whose visual design I adore), but sorting through other possibilities is taking some time as the aesthetics of the appearance of a lot of villains falls short of their story impact when I read them. -M PS I suppose I could just fill the list with Eisner femme fatales  |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 27, 2017 17:15:12 GMT -5
Yeah, that really really opens up a slippery slope, doesn't it? I'm a little sorry I asked. So the deciding criteria is that the narrative portrays them as the villain on occasion? For example, the X-Men couldn't count because the law hates them but the reader supports them? T Hmm, yeah. You know, maybe we should differentiate between an anti-hero like Hulk or Sub-Mariner (not eligible) and an all-out villain like Kobra or Dracula. If your first thought when you hear a character's name is "hero" and not "villain," he/she's probably not eligible. Yeah, I'd already thought of this. My thinking is that anti-heroes shouldn't be allowed, because, as you say, they're heroes, rather than proper bad guys. I think the whole event will be much more interesting if we stick to those characters that are real villains and not include the anti-hero type. Certainly, that's how I'll be doing my list. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 27, 2017 20:42:37 GMT -5
Man, this is a fantastic theme, you may have out done yourself!
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Post by shaxper on Nov 27, 2017 21:23:03 GMT -5
Hmm, yeah. You know, maybe we should differentiate between an anti-hero like Hulk or Sub-Mariner (not eligible) and an all-out villain like Kobra or Dracula. If your first thought when you hear a character's name is "hero" and not "villain," he/she's probably not eligible. Yeah, I'd already thought of this. My thinking is that anti-heroes shouldn't be allowed, because, as you say, they're heroes, rather than proper bad guys. I think the whole event will be much more interesting if we stick to those characters that are real villains and not include the anti-hero type. Certainly, that's how I'll be doing my list. Agreed. I began by thinking I wanted to include V (V for Vendetta), but I think I opened up a Pandora's Box instead. Glad Kurt shut it  |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 27, 2017 22:57:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd already thought of this. My thinking is that anti-heroes shouldn't be allowed, because, as you say, they're heroes, rather than proper bad guys. I think the whole event will be much more interesting if we stick to those characters that are real villains and not include the anti-hero type. Certainly, that's how I'll be doing my list. Agreed. I began by thinking I wanted to include V (V for Vendetta), but I think I opened up a Pandora's Box instead. Glad Kurt shut it Ha! I thought of the self same character...great minds and all that. Really though, with that cool Guy Fawkes get up and iconic mask, it's not too surprising that he should come to mind. But yeah, I think staying away from anti-heroes like that and focusing on bona fide villains will simultaneously make things easier and a lot more interesting. Lord knows, there are enough well dressed bad guys in comicdom. |
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Post by foxley on Nov 28, 2017 2:04:08 GMT -5
But characters who are generally regarded as anti-heroes now, but who started their careers as unabashed villains, are still allowed, right?
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Post by shaxper on Nov 28, 2017 6:13:21 GMT -5
But characters who are generally regarded as anti-heroes now, but who started their careers as unabashed villains, are still allowed, right? Yep. A certain Doug Moench villain turned hero will likely be gracing my list, for example  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 28, 2017 6:34:47 GMT -5
I see the Punisher as a criminal. He kills people without due process, what's to be confused about ?
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Post by shaxper on Nov 28, 2017 7:37:01 GMT -5
I see the Punisher as a criminal. He kills people without due process, what's to be confused about ? When you read his book, he's the protagonist, not the antagonist. You are rooting for him. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 28, 2017 9:03:35 GMT -5
By that reasoning, the Corleone family were good guys in The Godfather movies.
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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 28, 2017 9:04:08 GMT -5
I see the Punisher as a criminal. He kills people without due process, what's to be confused about ? When you read his book, he's the protagonist, not the antagonist. You are rooting for him. Protagonist and antagonist don't necessarily mean the hero and villain though. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 28, 2017 9:43:36 GMT -5
By that reasoning, the Corleone family were good guys in The Godfather movies. Yup. When you read his book, he's the protagonist, not the antagonist. You are rooting for him. Protagonist and antagonist don't necessarily mean the hero and villain though. Right, and I think that's Curt's point (though I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong). Is Batman a hero? Depends who's writing him. But he's always the protagonist you are rooting for. Curt did say, however, that a clear villain who is the protagonist in his own series would also count. It's more the gray areas where this is applicable. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 10:36:44 GMT -5
Everyone sees themselves as the hero in their own story, but in a sense that's irrelevant to this discussion, because it's not how the character perceive themselves but how they are perceived by the collective perspective of the standards of the society/culture. In this case, it is Kurt who has set the standard and is the defacto final arbiter of where a given character falls in terms of that standard, and it is the collective perspective of comic book culture that is the backdrop.
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Post by brutalis on Nov 28, 2017 14:35:53 GMT -5
Blast it all. Think of all the greatest cartoon villains who don't qualify  The injustice of it all!!! Somewhere the animated villains are gathered together in a volcanic mountain hideout crying inkwells of tears as they plot their revenge.... |
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The injustice of it all!!! Somewhere the animated villains are gathered together in a volcanic mountain hideout crying inkwells of tears as they plot their revenge....