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Post by shaxper on Dec 20, 2017 9:20:11 GMT -5
Inspired by Warmonger's thread. Certain comic book properties should probably never be adapted to film, either because they cannot translate properly or because we don't trust Hollywood to do them right. I heard many fans of Valerian wishing the film had never been made, so I'm wondering what other film adaptations you never ever ever want to see. I'll start with Neil Gaiman's Sandman, Dave Sim's Cerebus, and Hugo Pratt's Corto Maltese. Each are just too perfect as is; they mastered and transcended the medium for which they were made, so any film version would have to be equally transcendent and masterful so as not to disappoint.. It's a very tall order to expect a filmmaker to bring that level of genius to an adaptation.
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Post by brutalis on Dec 20, 2017 10:07:40 GMT -5
Include Usagi Yojimbo and Elfquest to the list. They are sheer perfection in printed form. Any CGI or animated film i don't think could ever capture ALL of what makes these series so wonderful. Usagi has been in the TMNT cartoon's and just never quite looked correct or sounding like he should to me in them, so to capture his true character and essence in a movie seems unlikely. Elfquest has the same issues and far too many involved and inter-twining characters to work well.
While I like the idea of movies for Grimjack, Nexus and Jon Sable; they don't lend themselves to a movie as they all 3 are very detailed and complicated characters (both the main star and other characters) who are more than they 1st appear and continue to grow/evolve with every story. Finding the proper actor to portray them is the hardest part of the equation in adapting them...
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 21, 2017 23:07:03 GMT -5
Omega the Unknown. Gerber has not fared well, in Hollywood (his comic book characters, not the man or things like Thundarr) and this was so uniquely Gerber that there is no way Hollywood wouldn't f@#$ it up. Heck, Marvel hasn't been able to not f@#$ it up after Gerber.
Master of Kung Fu-I don't see this one ending up as anything other than a generic martial arts cliche. Had it been done in the 70s, as written, as Bruce Lee-meets-James Bond-meets Sax Rohmer, it would have been great. Modern Hollywood and Marvel would likely end up like a low grade Yuen Wo-Ping (who was involved, at one point, in what sounded like more kung fu than spy).
Sugar N Spike-Hollywood would try to make it ironic.
The Question Captain Marvel (I know; but, I don't think it will be FUN) Plastic Man (no CGI Jim Carrey, thank you) Fighting American Herbie (unless Doc Hammer and Jackson Public did it) Tom Strong Top Ten Blackhawk (I want it; but don't want a modern Hollywood version)
Dingbats of Danger Street Green Team-Just 'cause...
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 22, 2017 4:33:54 GMT -5
Counterpoint: I want to see all of these.
Sandman - If Gaiman was involved it could, maybe, possibly be good? It would almost have to be a completely new script rather than a straight adaptation though.
Corto Maltese - I can not picture this live action. Could work as a cartoon. Is anyone outside of Asia doing non-humor cartoons for grown-ups anymore? Cerebus - The last half is pretty much impossible outside of comics, even the good bits. How long were they sitting in a bar? 20 issues? 30? I could see a good animated version of the early barbarian parodies or eeeeven a Live Action High Society.
Usagi - Would be a CGI abomination but I could 100% envision a good Usagi Anime.
ElfQuest - They'd have to tone down the poly-amorous elf sex a lot for middle America so I'm not Hollywood could capture the SPIRIT of the thing, but there are so many great action sequences that already feel cinematic in scope. I think this could be a solid B Minus.
Grimjack - I would kill to see this done right.
Nexus - Wouldn't be much harder than Judge Dredd. On the downside, Judge Dredd was a terrible, Rob Schneider-full movie.
Omega - Personal works by creators who are dead are gonna be a tough sell. Could be good only if they give Mary Skrenes full creative control.
Master of Kung Fu - He doesn't have a great track record with comic movies, but Ang Li could pull this off.
Sugar and Spike - Was really close in concept and tone to the Nickelodeon show Rugrats. I guess it would seem like a rip-off even if done first.
Or it could turn into another Boss Baby.
The Question - Ditkovian objectivism prolly wouldn't fly, but the Question worked on the JLA Cartoon, right? (I'm not a huge cartoon guy, sorry.) Dini or Timm might maybe be able to pull off a decent Question flick.
Captain Marvel - SO SIMPLE. There are dozens of filmmakers I'd trust to do a great Captain Marvel. Even Patty Jenkins! (Yeah, I agree with you. 99% chance this is gonna blow.)
Plastic Man - Nobody in the comics has got him right in 60 plus years, but that is no reason to give up hope!
Fighting American - I would *love* a good satire on superhero films and nationalism, but the climate just doesn't feel right at the moment. Maybe when '90s style irony swings back around?
Herbie - Cohen Brothrs and David Lynch co-directing. It is the only way. Maybe have Guillemo Del Toro producing.
Tom Strong - Just too damn strange and humanistic. It would have to be marketed as an action movie, but that means it wouldn't feel like Tom STrong. This is the only one listed I can't imagine modern filmmakers being able to do effectively in the current studio system.
Top Ten - I mean, its basically Hill Street Blue with superheroes. (I have never seen Hill Street Blues but that is what Alan Moore said!) Cut 146 characters and the weird incest and I could see this working fine.
Blackhawk - Even as a period piece ala the first Captain America movie?
Dingbats of Danger Street - I don't think I've ever read. I'M 50% sure I bought a copy out of the 50 cent bins at some point but I don't know where it went.
Green Team - Ok, a literal adaptation would... work.... poorly. But a satirical knock-off of Richie Rich similar in tone to the Josie and the Pussycats movie could totally work!
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Post by shaxper on Dec 22, 2017 8:02:17 GMT -5
Cerebus - The last half is pretty much impossible outside of comics, even the good bits. How long were they sitting in a bar? 20 issues? 30? To be fair: But my real reason for not wanting to see it done is that I don't feel an animated film could master the medium as well as the comic did. Could it be adequate? Sure. Memorable? Maybe. But not transcendent. Much like when Cerebus in Hell first saw publication, I'd rather get no more Cerebus than Cerebus that weakens the brand.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 22, 2017 8:06:47 GMT -5
Agree with Cerebus.. it would be boring as heck in another medium. Elfquest could be done if a) they didn't try to make it G rated and b) it wasn't made too cute (which would definitely be the temptation). I could see it going very poorly for sure, but it could be good.
I agree with Sandman as well.. I don't think you could capture the feel in another medium... I mean, look how silly Preacher looks, and that's not half as unique.
For Usagi, I picture Rurouni Kenshin, but with Usagi's superior characters and story.. definitely would be fantastic in that style. CGI is OK for TMNT guest spots, but I wouldn't want it for a series.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 11:12:37 GMT -5
Sandman is so episodic though I don't think a movie would work, but done as an HBO/STARZ/Amazon Prime series without limits on content as American Gods was done, it could work. A season for each major arc with some standalone episodes echoing the one-off stories.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 22, 2017 13:11:29 GMT -5
Sandman is so episodic though I don't think a movie would work, but done as an HBO/STARZ/Amazon Prime series without limits on content as American Gods was done, it could work. A season for each major arc with some standalone episodes echoing the one-off stories. -M Bingo. I don't see how you could do justice to Sandman as a movie trilogy, much less a movie. But if Gaiman was actively involved I think it's possible that you could do it in the premium TV manner.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 22, 2017 14:43:17 GMT -5
Cerebus - The last half is pretty much impossible outside of comics, even the good bits. How long were they sitting in a bar? 20 issues? 30? To be fair: But my real reason for not wanting to see it done is that I don't feel an animated film could master the medium as well as the comic did. Could it be adequate? Sure. Memorable? Maybe. But not transcendent. Much like when Cerebus in Hell first saw publication, I'd rather get no more Cerebus than Cerebus that weakens the brand. Yeah, well, y'know... I can't possibly imagine any adaptation that damages the brand more than Dave Sim has already. (And that short was pretty good!)
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Post by badwolf on Dec 23, 2017 14:33:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't have any faith that The Sandman can be turned into anything that is remotely faithful or satisfying. And Gaiman couldn't even save Stardust.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 29, 2017 9:35:12 GMT -5
@shaxper... did you say Corto Maltese?
Some of Pratt’s designs are preserved, but the overall anime look is rather unfortunate. (If I recall correctly, in his autobiographical graphic novel Pyongyang, author Guy Delisle said he worked on the Corto Maltese cartoon... which was mostly made in North Korea).
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 10, 2018 10:30:23 GMT -5
He's got the look
a href="http://www.comicsbeat.com/actor-with-amazing-sideburns-cast-as-corto-maltese-in-new-film/"]Corto Maltese[/a]
Hopefully it'll be great
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Post by tarkintino on Nov 10, 2018 14:49:15 GMT -5
..stories that would be perfect to make true comic book epics such as Kingdom Come, or Crisis on Infinite Earths. There's no way the size and emotion of those series could be adapted no matter the budget, producer or performers. Those stories are beyond the standard movie screenwriters' abilities.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 15:02:42 GMT -5
Reptisaurus! -- Mentioned Blackhawks and that's a movie that I want to see and remember the movie Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow ... it's can be made -- but, most likely NEVER be made because not many people today remembers the Blackhawks.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 10, 2018 15:22:59 GMT -5
Funny you should mention Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow. There's an interview of the movie's art director, Kevin Conran, and its lighting designer Michael Sean Foley, posted recently at the Atomic Junk Shop. Here's part 1 and here's part 2. Part 3 is forthcoming.
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