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Post by shaxper on Jan 8, 2018 13:37:56 GMT -5
Anyway, Day of Chaos was a very big story arc that lasted long time with the stores based off it too, think if you didn't follow it all it might make less sense. Ah, that might explain it. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 11, 2018 13:14:36 GMT -5
I have Prog #1 to #1478 without break or holes. Alsso every singe Megazine, annual, yearbook, winter/summer sci fi special, Crisis, etc until that issue.
Since then I've gathered issues when featuring creators I like (mostly Milligan), but I also tired a little of the "boys action" overall feeling some other member commented on.
All in all, this obviously is the biggest section of my collection, a truely defining one, an obsession I developped after reading a swedish translation of The Cursed Earth saga (censored) in the late 80ies.
I must say that appart from the creer high of Bisley area Slaine, I never was fond of the character and his adventures, but I love Nemesis from the same writer. For me, it's overall mostly about John Wagner (no one writes him as good as Wagner).
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Post by Søren on Feb 11, 2018 15:44:21 GMT -5
I have Prog #1 to #1478 without break or holes. Alsso every singe Megazine, annual, yearbook, winter/summer sci fi special, Crisis, etc until that issue. Since then I've gathered issues when featuring creators I like (mostly Milligan), but I also tired a little of the "boys action" overall feeling some other member commented on. All in all, this obviously is the biggest section of my collection, a truely defining one, an obsession I developped after reading a swedish translation of The Cursed Earth saga (censored) in the late 80ies. I must say that appart from the creer high of Bisley area Slaine, I never was fond of the character and his adventures, but I love Nemesis from the same writer. For me, it's overall mostly about John Wagner (no one writes him as good as Wagner). Thats cool  I only have a few old progs. What do you mean by boys action? Didn't get reply when ask before from it being mention Just the past number of years I been getting 2000AD would say it far from boys only comic. Stories can be mature, various themes, variation of characters, strong realistic female leads. Doesn't seem a new thing really. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 11, 2018 15:53:49 GMT -5
What do you mean by boys action? Didn't get reply when ask before from it being mention Just the past number of years I been getting 2000AD would say it far from boys only comic. Stories can be mature, various themes, variation of characters, strong realistic female leads. Doesn't seem a new thing really. Well, firstly, the amount of female creators throughout the ages within 2000AD is seriously lacking, even more so tan within mainstream US comics, which is baffling. Secondly, I fail to share your enthusiasm on the amount of strong realistic female leads, especially compared to the amount of male ones. Also, the social critique hasn't been as sharp as it once was in the first decade and some forth. Moreover, appart from Halo Jones, I find all female characters highly sexualized. As with Judge PSI Anderson, she's well developped, but tight spandex is the rule, and she's the only judge you ever see with the zip a little open, cleavage factor. Finally, I really see little appeal for a female readership if I'm being really honest. Dredd would be the most potent though, as he's almost asexual and so many stories have been really strong. If I was to recommand a 2000AD story to a female reader, I'd definitively start with America (Judge Dredd megazine) or Halo Jones. |
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Post by Søren on Feb 11, 2018 16:32:56 GMT -5
What do you mean by boys action? Didn't get reply when ask before from it being mention Just the past number of years I been getting 2000AD would say it far from boys only comic. Stories can be mature, various themes, variation of characters, strong realistic female leads. Doesn't seem a new thing really. Well, firstly, the amount of female creators throughout the ages within 2000AD is seriously lacking, even more so tan within mainstream US comics, which is baffling. Secondly, I fail to share your enthusiasm on the amount of strong realistic female leads, especially compared to the amount of male ones. Also, the social critique hasn't been as sharp as it once was in the first decade and some forth. Moreover, appart from Halo Jones, I find all female characters highly sexualized. As with Judge PSI Anderson, she's well developped, but tight spandex is the rule, and she's the only judge you ever see with the zip a little open, cleavage factor. Finally, I really see little appeal for a female readership if I'm being really honest. Dredd would be the most potent though, as he's almost asexual and so many stories have been really strong. If I was to recommand a 2000AD story to a female reader, I'd definitively start with America (Judge Dredd megazine) or Halo Jones. Oh ok. Well agree there are not many female writers and artist, not sure why though. Maybe as it a smaller comic? Less applying for it? Judge Anderson (apart from older Progs) seemed least sexualised. At least in the recent comics. She around 50 now and always portrayed as pretty badass and like she actually her age.  Chief Judge Hershey too  There are a few newer stories with good female characters. Wren in Brass Sun comes to mind and Metta Lawson, Nerys Pettifer from Lawless. I think there was a issue in the older progs with boys action but I wasn't reading/collecting then to see it. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 11, 2018 17:06:17 GMT -5
Well, I didn't need to look far away to find this in recent history   But I'm sure it's changed somewhat. That being said, even when it was becoming too much of a boys club, there were some great stories, and it was for years the best lab for upcoming US comic writers : Andy Diggle and Mike Carey used their time there as a curiculum vitae to get the Hellblazer gig. Nowadays, it seems that Al Ewing is the latest "chosen"... |
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Post by Søren on Feb 11, 2018 18:07:42 GMT -5
Lol never thought on covers. Durham always been like that though lol not that its much a excuse. She got a new set of stories coming soon with new version of her so be interesting to see how they depicte her now .
Anyway not deny there is not issue still as there is. Just honestly not something i notice much. But maybe I'm just use to seeing it? Or since I'm not all much interested in half naked drawn women i don't take it in so much lol
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Post by berkley on Feb 11, 2018 20:50:20 GMT -5
This is the first I heard of Red Star and I don't see the character listed on the wiki page for 2000 AD. In which issue did that feature start?
I never had access to the series when it was in its heyday and only just recently started reading some of the collected stuff I've picked up over the years: Rogue Trooper, Nemesis the Warlock, Future Shocks, and Adelbard Snazz. I'm enjoying all four series and really wish I could have read them in the original format, as they came out.
I'm going roughly in order so pretty soon I'll probably start Slaine and some of the other Alan Moore stuff, like Halo Jones and D.R. & Quimby. I've never been all that attracted to Dredd, though I'd give it a try if I had one of the collections on hand here - which I thought I did but I can't see it anywhere in my disordered stacks and shelves, so my memory must be at fault.
To anyone who, like me, isn't all that familiar with the mag and is more used to American comics, I'd say the closest parallel I can think of to the format is some of the Warren magazines like Eerie, with the black and white art and short instalments (usually 4 to 6 pages) - but I'd say the writing is at a higher level than the Warrens, on average, though I'm going by a relatively small sample from 2000 AD, so far.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 12, 2018 3:15:49 GMT -5
This is the first I heard of Red Star and I don't see the character listed on the wiki page for 2000 AD. In which issue did that feature start? I never had access to the series when it was in its heyday and only just recently started reading some of the collected stuff I've picked up over the years: Rogue Trooper, Nemesis the Warlock, Future Shocks, and Adelbard Snazz. I'm enjoying all four series and really wish I could have read them in the original format, as they came out. I'm going roughly in order so pretty soon I'll probably start Slaine and some of the other Alan Moore stuff, like Halo Jones and D.R. & Quimby. I've never been all that attracted to Dredd, though I'd give it a try if I had one of the collections on hand here - which I thought I did but I can't see it anywhere in my disordered stacks and shelves, so my memory must be at fault. To anyone who, like me, isn't all that familiar with the mag and is more used to American comics, I'd say the closest parallel I can think of to the format is some of the Warren magazines like Eerie, with the black and white art and short instalments (usually 4 to 6 pages) - but I'd say the writing is at a higher level than the Warrens, on average, though I'm going by a relatively small sample from 2000 AD, so far. You've never heard about Red Star and couldn't wiki her since she actually is called Durham Red Shes been around for quite some time now, and has appeared in about 130 issues. About Dredd, I'd urge you to check the "America" story line, as it feature gorgeous art and one of the most relevant stories ever told in the zarjazz world (Judge Dredd Megazine #1-#5 vol.1, back in 1990 if memory serves right). But really, almost all of his stories written by wagner arund that time are gold, especially the long format ones. Since issue 3 back in early 1977, Dredd has been the sole series featured in every single issue BTW, that is his home. You could argue that the whole social critique that came with the "who watches the watchmen" concept of Moore came from this, as Dredd truely is a political comic, the vast majority of its stories making you develop empathy for the perps, while the story itself mostly ending bad for those.Dredd rarely is the star of his own strips, as he is kind of fighting back any emotions. So he is a concept : a kind of bogeyman who blindly enforces the law, to the point of absurdity. Of course you know that he is street level, so that the higher ups will very rarely face him. Some stri^s play it a little more cheeky though, and his robot house maid/Alfred who dearly loves him acts as the human part of Dredd, in a most comical fashion. But the best way to enjoy him is having read a ton of his early adventures, including the most parodical ones, so that you know him through te cracks, and so that when you read a stroy where's he's essentially (along all judges) the boogeyman, it will still stay contrasted in your mind. This is helped by the fact that Wagner has written the vast majority of all Dredd stories, which keeps the character "in character". |
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Post by Søren on Feb 12, 2018 3:50:20 GMT -5
Agree, 'America' is something you have to read. Then maybe start on the Chaos Day epic  and the stories set after it lol |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 12, 2018 4:05:24 GMT -5
If you'd make an analogy with Holywood, Cursed Earth would kind of be Birth Of A Nation, when America would be thepolitical 70ies of 3 days of The Condor or The Conversation.
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I only have a few old progs. 
and the stories set after it lol