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Post by Søren on Jan 6, 2018 5:06:15 GMT -5
*zarjazz = excellent, amazing etc
Discuss and ask questions about all things relating to the British Sci-Fi comic anthology here. For those that don't know, 2000 AD is a weekly comic, first published in 1977 and been going strong since. It's had many characters stories over the years, some which are no longer written, but one that has always stayed is Judge Dredd. (^ Carlos Ezquerra (artist) )Thought I start this as didn't see anything else on the subject and it is by far my favourite comic that I probably spend far too much on in a year and relating graphic novels. I have no idea how popular this is overseas but it has a big following in the UK so thought it worth a thread. There is 40 years of history so should find something interesting to talk about.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 6, 2018 7:50:35 GMT -5
I have no idea how popular this is overseas but it has a big following in the UK so thought it worth a thread. Any American comic book fan who grew up in the '80s or '90s has heard of Judge Dredd. We even had a terrible film here that I hope never made its way back to the UK: But I think it's safe to say that most Americans aren't all that aware of 2000 AD. It gets mentioned here a lot, but that's because our community's interests are a lot more diverse than the American comic book mainstream; we're also not all American, of course. But I'm really glad you've started this. 2000 AD is an area I've always wanted to spend more time exploring.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 6, 2018 9:08:04 GMT -5
We even had a terrible film here that I hope never made its way back to the UK: I must sadly report that, yes...this travesty was released in the UK. There's actually a newer Judge Dredd film that came out, say, four or five years ago, simply titled Dredd. I've not seen it, and I don't think it was much of a box office hit, but from what I've heard it's really good. Much more faithful to the comics than that Stallone rubbish.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 6, 2018 10:53:55 GMT -5
Dredd is way better and more in keeping with the character.
As a former bookseller, I can attest to the lack of knowledge and even interest in Judge Dredd, among the mass audience. They re-released the Titan books for the American audience, for the movie, and they just sat there, despite Brian Bolland artwork, despite gonzo villains and hilarious stories. It wasn't easy to interest someone in them.
I've enjoyed quite a bit of what I have read from 2000 AD (Dredd, Zenith, Slaine, Halo Jones, Moore's other works, etc..); but, have barely scratched the surface. I have a digital collection of it; but, it is in the rather large pile of digital stuff that I have yet to read through.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 6, 2018 11:00:42 GMT -5
I'm liked most of the 2000 AD I've read... Dredd of course, as well as the other random stuff.. like ABC Warriors and Zenith. It's one of those things I need to get more of one of these days, but I've resisted buying trades because the letters and ads and such are so amusing on the originals, whic are hard to get in the states for the price I like to pay.
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Post by Søren on Jan 6, 2018 11:16:05 GMT -5
I have no idea how popular this is overseas but it has a big following in the UK so thought it worth a thread. Any American comic book fan who grew up in the '80s or '90s has heard of Judge Dredd. We even had a terrible film here that I hope never made its way back to the UK: But I think it's safe to say that most Americans aren't all that aware of 2000 AD. It gets mentioned here a lot, but that's because our community's interests are a lot more diverse than the American comic book mainstream; we're also not all American, of course. But I'm really glad you've started this. 2000 AD is an area I've always wanted to spend more time exploring. Yeah that film was show here. Luckily I was I think 3 or 4 years old at the time so wasn't age to be annoyed by it lol that came later. We even had a terrible film here that I hope never made its way back to the UK: I must sadly report that, yes...this travesty was released in the UK. There's actually a newer Judge Dredd film that came out, say, four or five years ago, simply titled Dredd. I've not seen it, and I don't think it was much of a box office hit, but from what I've heard it's really good. Much more faithful to the comics than that Stallone rubbish. It was awesome. much truer to the comic. I wish there was a easier way to share comics. But it is hard to get old issues, I'm lucky that a shop pop up a year ago with a guy selling lot of his old progs for £1 each so brought lots. My uncle has a few boxes to. Good stories should bee shared.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Jan 6, 2018 12:31:02 GMT -5
I'm just put off by the fact that it's a weekly! And there's just SO MUCH of it (it also tends to have a "boy's action" vibe that puts me off). I have collections of some of the work by creators I follow (Moore, Morrison, Talbot), and the odd dip-in to Judge Dredd.
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Post by Søren on Jan 6, 2018 12:37:45 GMT -5
What do you mean by boys action? Just curious as there are lots of strong female lead characters in it. (:
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Post by brutalis on Jan 8, 2018 8:19:42 GMT -5
Used to read 2000 AD waaaay back around 1978 or 79 as one of the LCS here would order if you wanted. I caught the Zarjazz fever and enjoyed it greatly. Sadly the very cheap newspaper stock it was printed on is not very conducive to collecting as it seemed to turn to sawdust after awhile. Those early days of 2000 AD was fun far out science fiction and fantasy which was sorely lacking here in America. It was like a training ground for future British writers and artists later on becoming big sellers here in the USA.
Particular favorite series I enjoyed: Dredd of course, Strontium Dog, Rogue Trooper, Slaine, Nemesis, ABC Warriors, Dan Dare, Halo Jones, D.R & Quinch, Harry Twenty and Robo Hunter. Was hooked on artwork of Brian Bolland, Alan Davis, Carlos Ezquerra, Jim Baikie, Mike McMahon, Kevin O'Neill, Ian Gibson and the list could go on endlessly. Incredible writers as well and too many to begin naming, besdies you all know them already! Such wondrous stuff within those pages!
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Post by shaxper on Jan 8, 2018 8:30:27 GMT -5
When I was reading about a decade back there was an ongoing called Clawed Reigns or something like that, dealing with half dog mutants in a post apocalyptic future. I really loved it.
I also vaguely recall loving an ongoing that involved warring angels.
Sadly, the Dredd and Slaine installments during that time were lackluster, so I don't have a strong taste for either.
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Post by Søren on Jan 8, 2018 8:34:54 GMT -5
Used to read 2000 AD waaaay back around 1978 or 79 as one of the LCS here would order if you wanted. I caught the Zarjazz fever and enjoyed it greatly. Sadly the very cheap newspaper stock it was printed on is not very conducive to collecting as it seemed to turn to sawdust after awhile. Those early days of 2000 AD was fun far out science fiction and fantasy which was sorely lacking here in America. It was like a training ground for future British writers and artists later on becoming big sellers here in the USA. Particular favorite series I enjoyed: Dredd of course, Strontium Dog, Rogue Trooper, Slaine, Nemesis, ABC Warriors, Dan Dare, Halo Jones, D.R & Quinch, Harry Twenty and Robo Hunter. Was hooked on artwork of Brian Bolland, Alan Davis, Carlos Ezquerra, Jim Baikie, Mike McMahon, Kevin O'Neill, Ian Gibson and the list could go on endlessly. Incredible writers as well and too many to begin naming, besdies you all know them already! Such wondrous stuff within those pages! Aw, I hear 'used to' a lot. Cant comment on the paper quality back then but seems fine now. Never had sawdust problems I love Carlos Ezquerra work it so simple often but so effective. Like Dredd small downturn line mouth show more attitude them most artist can get in whole image. Simon Davis is another fav of mine, love his work on Slaine now. Its a character that needs a more traditional art form to depict I feel like his painted style. also if anyone knows, can we add attachments here or do they need to be uploaded somewhere? Cant see the button to give any examples of pages I like? When I was reading about a decade back there was an ongoing called Clawed Reigns or something like that, dealing with half dog mutants in a post apocalyptic future. I really loved it. I also vaguely recall loving an ongoing that involved warring angels. Sadly, the Dredd and Slaine installments during that time were lackluster, so I don't have a strong taste for either. If you can, get hold of first book in Slaine 'the brutania chronicles'. The third graphic novels versions it out now, so you can buy almost whole story so far if you do like it. But see what you think, its the current story line and the artwork is amazing and story epic but I might be bias lol Edit: shaxper Was it Kingdom you read? Sounds similar en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_(comics)
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Post by shaxper on Jan 8, 2018 9:12:19 GMT -5
YES! And the character names are all puns on famous actors. I remembered Clawed Reigns, but I guess Gene the Hack Man was the protagonist. Thank you!
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Post by Søren on Jan 8, 2018 11:43:08 GMT -5
YES! And the character names are all puns on famous actors. I remembered Clawed Reigns, but I guess Gene the Hack Man was the protagonist. Thank you! Oh cool. I liked Kingdom too. Most recent storyline was fun to read if a little predictable in some ways.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 8, 2018 12:35:21 GMT -5
YES! And the character names are all puns on famous actors. I remembered Clawed Reigns, but I guess Gene the Hack Man was the protagonist. Thank you! Oh cool. I liked Kingdom too. Most recent storyline was fun to read if a little predictable in some ways. Very cool that the series is still going. That would be my primary motivator in getting back into 2000 AD. Okay, so this has gotten me motivated enough to look back through the year of Progs I followed (2011). Basically, here's what I remember from that year: Shakara - Avenger (Robbie Morrison - Henry Flint): Loved the artwork but found the story lacking. Ampney Crucis Investigates - The List of Ten (Ian Edginton - Simon Davis): Loved the character and tone, but wasn't invested in the story either. Necrophim - Civil Warlord (Tony Lee - Lee Carter): This thing rocked my world. The characters were rich, the art expressive, and the plot just kept building with twists and turns that really pulled me in. I remember almost nothing about the story now, but I do remember being glued to it and truly WAITING for the next week's installment. Kingdom - His Master's Voice (Dan Abnett - Richard Elson): I really don't remember the the plot or whether or not I found it interesting, but I loved the scope of this thing -- setting it in a world that loosely followed the events of the classic film Them!, and the art capturing that so vividly. Judge Dredd - Served Cold (Al Ewing - John Higgins): I have absolutely no memory of this. Flesh - Texas (Pat Mills - James McKay): Cool concept. Jurassic Park meets time travel meets the Old West, but, even without having read any previous Flesh storylines, I got the strong sense this installment wasn't adding anything new to the franchise; what I was enjoying was the original concept and not anything particularly being done this time around. Dandridge - The House That Dripped Devilry! (Alec Worley - Jon Davis-Hunt): I have absolutely no memory of this. The Red Seas - Gods and Monsters (Ian Edginton - Steve Yeowell): I vaguely recall finding the simplistic art interesting. Don't remember anything else about this. Judge Dredd - California Babylon (Michael Carroll - Ben Willsher): No memory. Nikolai Dante - Bad Blood (Robbie Morrison - Simon Fraser): I lump this one together in my memory with Ampney Crucis. Weren't they both egotistical antiheroes? I'm not sure anymore. Whatever this was, I didn't find it memorable. Absalom - Noblesse Oblige (Gordon Rennie - Tiernen Trevallion): I vaguely recall REALLY liking this, and yet I remember nothing other than the name. Cadet Anderson PSI-Division - Teenage Kyx (Alan Grant - Carlos Ezquerra/Hector Ezquerra): This was a Judge Dredd spin-off, right? I sort of remember liking the character and, more than that, enjoying this glimpse of Dredd's world. Unfortunately, as with a lot of these, my 7 year old memories aren't holding up very well. Judge Dredd - Scream (Gordon Rennie - Lee Carter): I found these Judge Dredd storylines so utterly forgettable. Sinister Dexter - Apocalypse Shtick - Charon's Crossing (Dan Abnett - Anthony Williams/Rob Taylor): They were jaded, wise-cracking super cops or something, right? I didn't find them funny and wasn't invested in the story. Savage - book seven - Secret City (Pat Mills - Patrick Goddard): No memory Zombo - The Day the Zombo Died(Al Ewing - Henry Flint): I think I found this one...cute? There was some political allegory to it that wasn't all that brilliant, and yet was enjoyable. I recall mostly though that it was really really hard to grasp the basic premise of the Zombo franchise from this storyline. Not a good entrypoint for a new reader. Judge Dredd - Day of Chaos - Nadia (John Wagner - Ben Willsher): No memory Judge Dredd - Day of Chaos - The Fourth Faction (John Wagner - Henry Flint): I mean, it's John frickin' Wagner on Judge Dredd, and I still don't remember any of these. Indigo Prime - Everything and More (John Smith - Edmund Bagwell): No memory Low Life - The Deal (Rob Williams - D'Israeli): No memory Ampney Crucis Investigates - The English Assassin (Ian Edginton - Simon Davis): I think I liked the first Ampney Crucis arc more than this second one, but I really don't remember. I stopped reading at the end of October, once all the storylines I was invested in concluded and it was clear the new ones weren't enticing me as much. And that means I paid around $200 to follow ten months of 2000 AD, during which time I experienced three storylines I truly remember enjoying. I now remember that this is why I stopped. So much cost, so much space consumed, and I just wasn't getting a strong enough return. Had I grown up on 2000 AD, I could see the appeal of paying to have favorite characters I'd grown up with visiting me each week, but as someone new to the series who had to weigh how far I wanted to go with the title, ten or eleven months was enough. Still, I have VERY fond memories of those ten or eleven months, looking forward to the next week's installment. It's like going on an expensive vacation -- I loved the experience, but that doesn't mean it would be worth it for me to do it a second time.
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Post by Søren on Jan 8, 2018 13:29:59 GMT -5
Oh cool. I liked Kingdom too. Most recent storyline was fun to read if a little predictable in some ways. Very cool that the series is still going. That would be my primary motivator in getting back into 2000 AD. Okay, so this has gotten me motivated enough to look back through the year of Progs I followed (2011). Basically, here's what I remember from that year: Shakara - Avenger (Robbie Morrison - Henry Flint): Loved the artwork but found the story lacking. Ampney Crucis Investigates - The List of Ten (Ian Edginton - Simon Davis): Loved the character and tone, but wasn't invested in the story either. Necrophim - Civil Warlord (Tony Lee - Lee Carter): This thing rocked my world. The characters were rich, the art expressive, and the plot just kept building with twists and turns that really pulled me in. I remember almost nothing about the story now, but I do remember being glued to it and truly WAITING for the next week's installment. Kingdom - His Master's Voice (Dan Abnett - Richard Elson): I really don't remember the the plot or whether or not I found it interesting, but I loved the scope of this thing -- setting it in a world that loosely followed the events of the classic film Them!, and the art capturing that so vividly. Judge Dredd - Served Cold (Al Ewing - John Higgins): I have absolutely no memory of this. Flesh - Texas (Pat Mills - James McKay): Cool concept. Jurassic Park meets time travel meets the Old West, but, even without having read any previous Flesh storylines, I got the strong sense this installment wasn't adding anything new to the franchise; what I was enjoying was the original concept and not anything particularly being done this time around. Dandridge - The House That Dripped Devilry! (Alec Worley - Jon Davis-Hunt): I have absolutely no memory of this. The Red Seas - Gods and Monsters (Ian Edginton - Steve Yeowell): I vaguely recall finding the simplistic art interesting. Don't remember anything else about this. Judge Dredd - California Babylon (Michael Carroll - Ben Willsher): No memory. Nikolai Dante - Bad Blood (Robbie Morrison - Simon Fraser): I lump this one together in my memory with Ampney Crucis. Weren't they both egotistical antiheroes? I'm not sure anymore. Whatever this was, I didn't find it memorable. Absalom - Noblesse Oblige (Gordon Rennie - Tiernen Trevallion): I vaguely recall REALLY liking this, and yet I remember nothing other than the name. Cadet Anderson PSI-Division - Teenage Kyx (Alan Grant - Carlos Ezquerra/Hector Ezquerra): This was a Judge Dredd spin-off, right? I sort of remember liking the character and, more than that, enjoying this glimpse of Dredd's world. Unfortunately, as with a lot of these, my 7 year old memories aren't holding up very well. Judge Dredd - Scream (Gordon Rennie - Lee Carter): I found these Judge Dredd storylines so utterly forgettable. Sinister Dexter - Apocalypse Shtick - Charon's Crossing (Dan Abnett - Anthony Williams/Rob Taylor): They were jaded, wise-cracking super cops or something, right? I didn't find them funny and wasn't invested in the story. Savage - book seven - Secret City (Pat Mills - Patrick Goddard): No memory Zombo - The Day the Zombo Died(Al Ewing - Henry Flint): I think I found this one...cute? There was some political allegory to it that wasn't all that brilliant, and yet was enjoyable. I recall mostly though that it was really really hard to grasp the basic premise of the Zombo franchise from this storyline. Not a good entrypoint for a new reader. Judge Dredd - Day of Chaos - Nadia (John Wagner - Ben Willsher): No memory Judge Dredd - Day of Chaos - The Fourth Faction (John Wagner - Henry Flint): I mean, it's John frickin' Wagner on Judge Dredd, and I still don't remember any of these. Indigo Prime - Everything and More (John Smith - Edmund Bagwell): No memory Low Life - The Deal (Rob Williams - D'Israeli): No memory Ampney Crucis Investigates - The English Assassin (Ian Edginton - Simon Davis): I think I liked the first Ampney Crucis arc more than this second one, but I really don't remember. I stopped reading at the end of October, once all the storylines I was invested in concluded and it was clear the new ones weren't enticing me as much. And that means I paid around $200 to follow ten months of 2000 AD, during which time I experienced three storylines I truly remember enjoying. I now remember that this is why I stopped. So much cost, so much space consumed, and I just wasn't getting a strong enough return. Had I grown up on 2000 AD, I could see the appeal of paying to have favorite characters I'd grown up with visiting me each week, but as someone new to the series who had to weigh how far I wanted to go with the title, ten or eleven months was enough. Still, I have VERY fond memories of those ten or eleven months, looking forward to the next week's installment. It's like going on an expensive vacation -- I loved the experience, but that doesn't mean it would be worth it for me to do it a second time. Think need to go back through my collection to remind myself of some those. Picking out some you mention, Flesh I liked but then got bit bored with. Zombo I didn't like, no love for zombie things much. Sinister Dexter, they are gun sharks/hired assassins so really not cops lol. This can be funny, works better in shorter stories I think. Before christmas they had a run of stories that were one prog long. Anderson is a Psi judge who works alongside Dredd. so guess could call it a spin off, but more just focusing on other character in the world more. Anyway, Day of Chaos was a very big story arc that lasted long time with the stores based off it too, think if you didn't follow it all it might make less sense.
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