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Post by shaxper on Jan 8, 2018 10:27:32 GMT -5
For the Big Two (Marvel and DC), the bulk of what they do is about keeping their franchises viable and making money, but what philosophies drive the littler guys? Dark Horse, for example, has always seemed committed to alternative genres and creative voices, and while Image began as simple wish fulfillment for the hottest artists of the 1990s, it seems to have a true commitment to raising the aristic bar for the industry in the 21st Century. Valiant seems out to compete directly with Marvel and DC, and has some clear ideas about how to make a superhero universe more artistically and commercially successful that they are striving to bring to the table. IDW seems all about multimedia licensing, and Dynamite seems to be about selling T&A.
I could be wrong about any and all of these. Just speculating. But I'd love your thoughts -- what is each publisher really about, what drives their decisions beyond just keeping the lights on, and how have those philosophies changed as some of these companies have grown and expanded over the years?
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Post by berkley on Jan 8, 2018 12:34:01 GMT -5
Trying to become one of the big guys so they can develop movie franchises and make money?
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 8, 2018 12:40:51 GMT -5
I agree on the Big Two, though that has changed over the years. There was the period of the late 70s to the late 80s where they (DC) were willing to takes risks and shake up the industry. They kind of took on the mindset of the independent publisher, with the resources of a big publisher. It manifested more on the fringes; but, even the main books benefitted from it. When they had reclaimed territory in the marketplace, they started to be more about preserving the status quo and cycling through events.
Dark Horse started out as a mix of a place for stuff the big guys didn't want to do and some really personal expression, with things as diverse as Boris the Bear and Concrete. Dark Horse Presents was a nice sampler to give you a taste of some different material. They have swung around a bit, over the decades. They became very much about media properties and trying to jump on the Big Two bandwagon; but, pulled back a bit as fortunes changed.
Fantagraphics is all about alternative expressions, grabbing from the Undergrounds, with a somewhat elitist attitude to the whole thing (well, Gary Groth), while still showing they were as nostalgic as everyone else.
Tundra had the philosophy of creating true art, by throwing money around. Unfortunately, they threw more money than got people to produce art.
Image seemed more about control, than artistic expression, when it started. As the core group became rich enough they didn't have to work, they turned more of the line over to people who did want to express themselves. i think a lot of that was the influence of Larry Marder and Jim Valentino's background in the indies, compared to the rest of the group.
Eclipse was very much about comics being a medium and exploring all kinds of stories within that. They truly set out to be a literary publisher of comics, in all genres; but, ambitions outstripped economics.
First was about upping the level of professionalism in the indie world and providing a place for seasoned pros to do better work, that they would own. Again, the idea got lost in greed and commercialism, especially after Mike Gold departed.
Valiant has mutated several times. At first, it was an upstart trying to exploit other media properties (mostly video game). Then, it became Jim Shooter's personal vehicle for showing he was right about the New Universe, by creating a tightly connected world, filled with diverse characters. Then, battles began and it became more about catering to speculators and chasing the fast buck. Acclaim saw it as intellectual property and the revived Valiant seems to be a mixture of intellectual property and trying to be the Big Two, though I haven't read any of it since the days before Acclaim took over.
IDW has some of the Eclipse spirit (aided by Dean Mullaney being there), while also aiming at more mainstream media properties. Dynamite is all about exploiting pre-sold media properties; sometimes well, sometimes not, though I have trouble understanding how they make any money at it, since they have to part with revenue for the license holder and their books don't sell massive numbers. Maybe they make up enough of it in bookstores to cover the monthlies; I don't know.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 8, 2018 12:48:43 GMT -5
When they had reclaimed territory in the marketplace, they started to be more about preserving the status quo and cycling through events. I still remember the day Marvel stock was first made available on the stock market. Everyone else cheered, and I cringed. I don't know the story of how it went from being publicly traded to being owned by Disney -- I'm sure I'm missing several steps in between -- but I think that was the end of Marvel as a house of ideas. I remember DC still experimenting with Impulse in the early '90s and the Vertigo imprint being a place for true experimentation as well. There were still some solid Vertigo experiments as late as 2006 (last time I tried one), so I have hope that DC still has a soul in there somewhere, far from the main superhero titles. I LOVE the energy, rawness, and brilliance of the early DHPs. Wish that could still be found today. The new Valiant is very very good. It took both the universe building and clever marketing Jim Shooter developed in the '90s to new levels. But, while it's high quality, the goal is clearly to be a Big Two contender, anything bold/different being tried simply serving as a means to that end.
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Post by sabongero on Jul 28, 2020 15:47:50 GMT -5
Avatar Press: Bad girls type of comic books. But also since the mid 2000's had various creators with no content restrictions, therefore there were a lot of ultra-violent comic books published around that time by Avatar Press.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 28, 2020 15:54:38 GMT -5
Not that I have hardly any of the comics under the imprint, but Image seemed to me centered on creators as the center... first in line for profit and total control.
Dark Horse and Fantagraphics to me seemed about anything of quality with Dark Horse maybe more concerned about if it was commercially viable. I might not like some of the comics but I usually have to admit there is genuine quality there.
Gladstone was about keeping the best Disney and E.C. comics available to a wide audience while maintaining high quality in production if not always the printing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 19:21:53 GMT -5
Boom! Studios
Having fun with various licenses - and not taking yourself too seriously.
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Post by brutalis on Jul 28, 2020 19:37:40 GMT -5
All good thoughts and ideas. But isn't it in truth about making money? The chance for big bucks in the bank is the ultimate goal?
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Post by MDG on Jul 29, 2020 8:46:17 GMT -5
All good thoughts and ideas. But isn't it in truth about making money? The chance for big bucks in the bank is the ultimate goal? I don't know about big bucks--some smaller publishers just want to be able to sty in business by putting out work they believe in.
I think the two poles are:
Create some popular characters and milk them however possible (media, licensing, x-overs, etc.); and
Give creators room to create good, personal work.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 29, 2020 15:18:20 GMT -5
Avatar Press: Bad girls type of comic books. But also since the mid 2000's had various creators with no content restrictions, therefore there were a lot of ultra-violent comic books published around that time by Avatar Press. Pretty much. I was reading Bill Maus' Nira X when it was published with Entity, and yeah while it was a bad girl book, it was something besides Lady Death and Vampirella (and I like both) but it was different then the two big bad girls. But when Avatar took over, I don't know what happened. If it was the publisher influencing Maus or he just changed the game plan. But it got more "bad girl" and over the top as well as nude edition covers, and all sorts of bleh.
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