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Post by nero9000 on Mar 1, 2018 7:48:16 GMT -5
We are. You can choose four heralds. Red Shift was the last herald I was aware of. Morg the last I actually read a story about. Wasn't there a guy named Tyrant who was supposed to be the original herald? Now it's some fallen guy? My ranking: Surfer Terrax Nova Air-Walker Heralds really took a turn for the worse after Nova. Some legit lamos on that list based on a quick Wiki scouting. Big G losing his standards. Tyrant was in the Cosmic Powers mini-series where he tried to trick former heralds into over throwing Galactus. As far as I've read of cosmic Marvel I don't think anything else has been done with him. www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=86281Yeah, they published that stuff here in the aftermath of Starlin's Infinity stuff. Didn't quite have the same effect, IMO. Tyrant also appeared in Silver Surfer. Not surprised he hasn't gotten much use since. This was the beginning of the era when the cohesive universe was scrapped and every writer ignored everything that had happened previously. I guess Tyrant was a bit too 90s to have any actual staying power. I just don't know how not to choose The Surfer. I wish we were asking what herald other than Norrin Radd. It’s really not hard. Silver Surfer is a whiny angsty git. You'd be a whiny angsty git, too, if all your dialogue was written by Stan Lee. |
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Post by brutalis on Mar 1, 2018 7:48:31 GMT -5
I just don't know how not to choose The Surfer. I wish we were asking what herald other than Norrin Radd. It’s really not hard. Silver Surfer is a whiny angsty git. But he is a COSMIC whiner of epic proportions who tries to do something about his whines. And he must be doing it right since he is coming in at #1. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Mar 1, 2018 9:25:36 GMT -5
The whiny Surfer critique is outdated, frankly. By the time his series was re-launched in 1987, he was already more introspective and virtually never waxed philosophic. I loved Buscema's art in the original series, but it's some of my least favorite Stan Lee writing. I'll never wrap my head around Lee's tyrannical hold on the Surfer for so many years (the mandate that only he could write the character). Stan basically stunted the growth of one of Marvel's best characters (Yeah, I said it!) for twenty years.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 1, 2018 11:53:16 GMT -5
Tyrant was in the Cosmic Powers mini-series where he tried to trick former heralds into over throwing Galactus. As far as I've read of cosmic Marvel I don't think anything else has been done with him. www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=86281Yeah, they published that stuff here in the aftermath of Starlin's Infinity stuff. Didn't quite have the same effect, IMO. Tyrant also appeared in Silver Surfer. Not surprised he hasn't gotten much use since. This was the beginning of the era when the cohesive universe was scrapped and every writer ignored everything that had happened previously. I guess Tyrant was a bit too 90s to have any actual staying power. Oh yeah that's right. He was in SS ongoing too. I had forgotten about that. Yeah he was a very 90's character. In both appearance and motives and dialogue. I think the idea was cool, that there was some unknown hearld even before Surfer, but that aspect of it fell flat. And it just kind of played out like Tyrant was just some power hungry villain. As if the hearld aspect was an after thought. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 1, 2018 13:42:31 GMT -5
The whiny Surfer critique is outdated, frankly. By the time his series was re-launched in 1987, he was already more introspective and virtually never waxed philosophic. I loved Buscema's art in the original series, but it's some of my least favorite Stan Lee writing. I'll never wrap my head around Lee's tyrannical hold on the Surfer for so many years (the mandate that only he could write the character). Stan basically stunted the growth of one of Marvel's best characters (Yeah, I said it!) for twenty years. May well be. I probably haven't read him since his early Defenders appearances. Volume one of his own book was just a horrible character. And I'm not generally a fan of the cosmic gig anyway. Good for him if he became less whiny. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Mar 1, 2018 18:41:37 GMT -5
The whiny Surfer critique is outdated, frankly. By the time his series was re-launched in 1987, he was already more introspective and virtually never waxed philosophic. I loved Buscema's art in the original series, but it's some of my least favorite Stan Lee writing. I'll never wrap my head around Lee's tyrannical hold on the Surfer for so many years (the mandate that only he could write the character). Stan basically stunted the growth of one of Marvel's best characters (Yeah, I said it!) for twenty years. May well be. I probably haven't read him since his early Defenders appearances. Volume one of his own book was just a horrible character. And I'm not generally a fan of the cosmic gig anyway. Good for him if he became less whiny. At the very least I'd suggest checking out the Jim Starlin Surfer run that lead into Infinity Gauntlet. I'm pretty sure its all collected now, but I know for a fact all the Thanos issues are. Along with David's Incredible Hulk, I think it was the best thing Marvel was publishing at the time. |
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Post by String on Mar 2, 2018 11:57:36 GMT -5
May well be. I probably haven't read him since his early Defenders appearances. Volume one of his own book was just a horrible character. And I'm not generally a fan of the cosmic gig anyway. Good for him if he became less whiny. At the very least I'd suggest checking out the Jim Starlin Surfer run that lead into Infinity Gauntlet. I'm pretty sure its all collected now, but I know for a fact all the Thanos issues are. Along with David's Incredible Hulk, I think it was the best thing Marvel was publishing at the time. No disrespect to Buscema, but for me, whenever I think of the Surfer, the team of Starlin-Lim tops the list. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 2, 2018 12:40:20 GMT -5
At the very least I'd suggest checking out the Jim Starlin Surfer run that lead into Infinity Gauntlet. I'm pretty sure its all collected now, but I know for a fact all the Thanos issues are. Along with David's Incredible Hulk, I think it was the best thing Marvel was publishing at the time. No disrespect to Buscema, but for me, whenever I think of the Surfer, the team of Starlin-Lim tops the list. Yes. To me, Ron Lim's Silver Surfer, IS Silver Surfer. That's probably due to first impressions, but even all the artists before and after I have seen do it, maybe only Mobieus and Ribic are equal to Lim. |
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Post by brutalis on Mar 2, 2018 13:11:48 GMT -5
To give a fair shake: Kirby and the Buscema Brothers had poorer printing production values and limits to how they could show off the Silver coated body artistically. With so many changes over the years by the time Lim was doing the surfer you had better printing, better color options better paper and so much better reproduction values. Ye olden days Silver Surfer was pretty much a flat 2 tone printed nude guy colored white with blue highlights. From the 80's onward he actually became the candy coated silver and chrome with bright sparkling reflective values and mirrored where you could show light and stars and close up bodily/facial reflections.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 2, 2018 13:29:37 GMT -5
I do think that Buscema certainly did Surfer's facial expressions better than most. Lim was kind of weak in that area. And as brutalis mentioned printing and color improvements are probably subconsciously weighing in on my opinion. Not that I don't still stand by it. :-)
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