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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 21, 2018 20:19:34 GMT -5
The CCF's version of Chinese Democracy has finally seen the light of day! I can't wait to see the rest.
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Post by rberman on Mar 21, 2018 20:41:29 GMT -5
I have read the first part of B&W Conan. Great art! I plan to get more down the line.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 21, 2018 20:45:57 GMT -5
The CCF's version of Chinese Democracy has finally seen the light of day! I can't wait to see the rest.  |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 21, 2018 21:06:55 GMT -5
The CCF's version of Chinese Democracy has finally seen the light of day! I can't wait to see the rest. You sir, complete me. |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Mar 22, 2018 10:16:09 GMT -5
Do all the stories that tied for 100 have at least a number of 'honorable mentions?'
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Post by shaxper on Mar 22, 2018 10:50:17 GMT -5
Do all the stories that tied for 100 have at least a number of 'honorable mentions?' The ties at #100 each were #10 picks on one individual participant's list. No honorable mentions helping them. It's the problem with having a small group of participants. One individual vote shouldn't be enough to make it to the top one hundred. That being said, each of those works were important enough to one person to be their tenth favorite comic book saga of all time. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 25, 2018 21:30:20 GMT -5
100 (tie). Valerian and Lareline: The Empire of A Thousand Planets
by Pierre Christin & Jean-Claude Meziers
Read: No, and never heard of.
100 (tie). Justice (2005)
by Jim Krueger, Alex Ross, and Doug Braithwaite
Read: Yeah, bought the original issues off the stands.
I don't actually buy that many mainstream comics, but I was in the mood to see the JLA fight the Legion of Doom, so I stuck with it. It's probably the longest I ever bought JLA in a row, but definitely not my favorite. It's all just a ittle too self serious for my taste and Alex Ross... well, I agree with everything good AND everything bad that everyone says about him.
100 (tie). JLA: The Nail
by Alan Davis
Read: Yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I read this 18-or-so years ago, and haven't thought about it in fifteen, but I really enjoyed it. I think there was a sequel? That was kind of crappy?
100 (tie). Grendel: War Child
by Matt Wagner, Patrick McEown & Ken Henderson
Read: Dunno, I read some Grendel. Was it girl Grendel or Boy Grendel or Future Grendel?
I.. uh... only like Matt Wagner when he's doing work for hire on corporate characters, and thought Grendel was too dark/grim 'n gritty/just unpleasant for my tast.
100 (tie). Gardner Fox's "Crisis"
by various
Nice, nice, nice, nice, nice. HUGE fan, would never have thought of nominating these. Every story adds an interesting but logical addition to the multiversal canon. And there's a scene in JLoA # 46 which I consider the peak of mainstream comics.
100 (tie). Elric of Melniboné
by Roy Thomas and P. Craig Russell, adapted from works by Michael Moorecock
Read: I might have flipped through, like, one issue? I can picture the artwork in my head, love P Craig Russl. I really need to read more Moorecock in general.
100 (tie). American Way
by John Ridley, Georges Jeanty & Karl Story
Read: I'm almost sure I did read all of it.
I remember nothing about it. I actively sought this out due to good reviews at the time, but it didn't stick with me.
99. John Sable, Freelance
by Mike Grell
Read: Bits and pieces, maybe 15-20 %.
I'm not a Mike Grell guy, except for Warlord he was working in this semi-cinematic style at the time that just. did. not. work for me. I have a fair number of issues of this because I like First Comics and they turn up in the dollar bin, but not my thing.
96 (tie). Solar: Man of the Atom: "Alpha & Omega"
by Jim Shooter, Bob Layton, and Barry Windsor-Smith
Read: Maybe?
I'm very poorly read Valiant-wise in general. I think I read part of some Solar thing drawn by Barry Windsor Smith? Pretty sure I liked it, if that's any consolation.
96 (tie). Silver Surfer: The Ultimate Cosmic Experience
by Jack Kirby and Stan Lee
Read: No.
Love Lee and Kirby, probably read the original Surfer series a half dozen times. I'm sure this has been reprinted somewhere and I'll get to it at some point.
96 (tie). I Am Legend
by Richard Matheson, Steve Niles, and Elman Brown
Read: No, never heard of.
I'm not particularly well read in adaptations from other media.
95. Avengers: The Korvac Saga
by Jim Shooter, David Michelinie, George Perez, Sal Buscema, David Wenzel, and Pablo Marcos
Nice! Probably my favorite non-Ultimates, non-Marvel-Adventures Avengers story. The contrast between great cosmic powers and quiet domesticity is just a great visual hook for a story. And the scene where the Avengers ride the bus to go fight Korvac is one of my favorites.
94. Conan The Barbarian, #1-100
by Roy Thomas, John Buscema, and others
Read: The Barry Windsor Smith issues.
I'm not a huge S & S guy, but I did quite enjoy the early Conan stories.
93. Avengers: The Old Order Changeth!
by Stan Lee, Don Heck, and Jack Kirby
Hooray! '60s Marvel! Finally something I have read enough times to contextualize!
Not my favorite Avengers, but not bad. I just listened to Hoosier's Podcast about this run.
# 16. The Cap/Zemo fight was a masterpiece. Great issue.
# 17-18. The Minotaur and some fat... Chinese Robot? Or something. Neither was a classic.
# 19-20. Really like the Swordsman and he was a character basically designed for Don Heck's skill set.
# 21-22. Ok, I love how this series follows the Masters of Evil along with the Avengers. This follows up the ENchantress stuck on earth plot-line. Power Man's "every man as supervillain" characterization was discarded in his next appearance, but it works great here.
# 23-24. If not the definitive Kang story, the one that defines the character and how he works.
# 25. Doom. Not as good as the stories before it, and followed by some of the weakest Avengers issues in the first 20 years. 26 through John Buscema were all fairly weak.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 26, 2018 11:45:10 GMT -5
96 (tie). I Am Legendby Richard Matheson, Steve Niles, and Elman Brown originally published in: I Am legend #1-4 (1991) Nominated by: thwhtguardian Thwhtguardian writes, "Long before he wrote his seminal book, "30 Days of Night" Steve Niles adapted one of the best vampire novels around; Mateson's 1954 classic "I Am Legend" and it's one of the greatest adaptations around. I nearly didn't add this because although it was put out by a comic publisher, done by people in the field and it was serialized it's almost more like an illustrated novel rather than a comic...but I decided it counted because it was just so well done. It can be a tad boring at times, as it chronicles Nevile's attempt to find a cure which often means blocks of text and little action but those blocks all come straight from the novel itself which creates a fantastic sense of fidelity to the source." Interesting choice. Matheson's novel is (in my view) the greatest vampire story ever written and a fine mix of horror & science, but it always suffered in the adaptation department (films). That a novel ranks as one your greatest comic sagas says much for the adaptation's quality. Can this period be classified as a saga? |
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Post by rberman on Mar 26, 2018 20:14:34 GMT -5
Anything is a saga if we say it is! Let the people decide.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 27, 2018 15:57:05 GMT -5
Random thoughts...as I am want to start and then never finish...because I'm lazy and/or find other shiny things.
100 (tie). Valerian and Lareline: The Empire of A Thousand Planets
by Pierre Christin & Jean-Claude Meziers
I haven't read this book. I did read the first? book as it was free on Amazon Prime at some point. And it was okay. The movie was boring as all get-out, but I won't hold that against the book. I'll likely try to get around to reading this some day.
100 (tie). Justice (2005)
by Jim Krueger, Alex Ross, and Doug Braithwaite
I've not read this...and it's relatively unlikely I will. I'm not a huge fan of Alex Ross. I suppose it's possible I'll read it someday, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
100 (tie). JLA: The Nail
by Alan Davis
I bought this when it came out as I was buying most of the Elseworlds stuff at the time (I like the premise of the line if not always the execution). The art was eye candy as I'm a fan of Davis. But the story, particularly the ending, set aside the premise of the book. What would happen if Superman didn't exist? Things would happen and then Superman would come along to save everyone. Bleh!
100 (tie). Grendel: War Child
by Matt Wagner, Patrick McEown & Ken Henderson
Grendel is another one of those things I feel like I should read, but I never get around to it. I seems kind of daunting figuring out the order and whatnot. I do like Wagner on the stuff I've read. Maybe someday.
100 (tie). Gardner Fox's "Crisis"
by various
I've read all of these. And while I probably never would have cited them at one time I loved them. I was a fiend for the JSA. At this point, however, I find Silver Age DC almost unreadable. I suspect I won't revisit them again unless I'm hit with an overwhelming wave of nostalgia or dementia.
100 (tie). Elric of Melniboné
by Roy Thomas and P. Craig Russell, adapted from works by Michael Moorecock
I know I've read this, but it's been eons. My gut tells me that the P. Craig Russell will have to save the Roy Thomas. At some point I intend to revisit Moorcock's prose work. Maybe I can couple that with a revisit of the comic adaptations. On the other hand my To-Read list in both prose and comics could keep my lips moving for a couple hundred years...and I suspect I shant live that long.
100 (tie). American Way
by John Ridley, Georges Jeanty & Karl Story
I actually sought out and read this based on its citation here. So your job is done. It was a nice read. A decent entry into the burgeoning "if superheroes were real" genre.
99. John Sable, Freelance
by Mike Grell
Since I was one of the people citing it, I've obviously read it and loved it. I actually am hoping to do a re-read as it's been a great while. But who knows.
96 (tie). Solar: Man of the Atom: "Alpha & Omega"
by Jim Shooter, Bob Layton, and Barry Windsor-Smith
I've never read a Valiant book (that I remember). It seems pretty unlikely that's going to change at this point. I'm not sure that Barry Smith can erase the Jim Shooter in this.
96 (tie). Silver Surfer: The Ultimate Cosmic Experience
by Jack Kirby and Stan Lee
Yeah...no! If there's one character I probably hate worse than Superman it's Whiny Surfer. Hard pass.
96 (tie). I Am Legend
by Richard Matheson, Steve Niles, and Elman Brown
I have a love/hate relationship with I Am Legend. I recognize its importance, what it stands for, its quality. I just don't really enjoy it. I'm not saying I'd avoid reading an adaptation. I'm just saying it probably is going to have to fall into my lap at the exact right time for that to happen.
95. Avengers: The Korvac Saga
by Jim Shooter, David Michelinie, George Perez, Sal Buscema, David Wenzel, and Pablo Marcos
I'm 99.5% sure I've read all of this. I'm pretty sure I've read all or nearly all of Avengers 1-200 at some point. In theory I'll get back to this...in reality that's probably not going to happen. I can say I have virtually no memory of these issues.
94. Conan The Barbarian, #1-100
by Roy Thomas, John Buscema, and others
I've not read all of this. I've read decent portions of it...including the entirety of Smith's run. This is one of those books I really want to read. And mean to read. But there's this time thing. And other shiny things. And look...what's that....
93. Avengers: The Old Order Changeth!
by Stan Lee, Don Heck, and Jack Kirby
I've read this, though it's been a while. I may get to it again depending on how things go. But I don't remember it being anywhere near great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 16:47:06 GMT -5
100 (tie). Valerian and Lareline: The Empire of A Thousand Planets
Never read it. May try it at some point.
100 (tie). Justice (2005)
Read it several times. Great update of the Super Friends IMO.
100 (tie). JLA: The Nail
Read it when it came out. Really enjoyed it.
100 (tie). Grendel: War Child
Never read. Not sure if it is something I would enjoy.
100 (tie). Gardner Fox's "Crisis"
Read all of these. Love love the old JLA/JSA crossovers.
100 (tie). Elric of Melniboné
Read it eons ago.
100 (tie). American Way
I nominated it so I guess I liked it!
99. John Sable, Freelance
One of my favorites from First Comics.
96 (tie). Solar: Man of the Atom: "Alpha & Omega"
Ah...90's Valiant. Great stuff IMO.
96 (tie). Silver Surfer: The Ultimate Cosmic Experience
Not a Surfer fan. Never read it.
96 (tie). I Am Legend
Saw the movie. Probably won't ever read the book.
95. Avengers: The Korvac Saga
Read it. Consider it a classic.
94. Conan The Barbarian, #1-100
Read most of this run. Another classic.
93. Avengers: The Old Order Changeth!
Read it. Yet another Avengers classic.
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Post by String on Apr 6, 2018 16:45:40 GMT -5
100 (tie). Valerian and Lareline: The Empire of A Thousand Planets
Having learned of it's influence, I have yet to read any of them. Fortunately, Comixology has a majority of the GNS up on their site which will make it easier for me to read when I can.
100 (tie). Justice (2005)
I seem to recall decent reviews for this when it was first released. Nice to see it get some love here but again, one of the series that I have yet to read.
100 (tie). JLA: The Nail
I've really started to delve into all things Davis so this mini is definitely on my To-Read list.
100 (tie). Grendel: War Child
An acquaintance gave me a copy of this trade. Devoured it in a day, highly entertaining.
100 (tie). Gardner Fox's "Crisis"
I'm starting to catch up on all these JLA/JSA crossovers but I haven't gotten to Fox's yet, having started with Wein's crossovers first.
100 (tie). Elric of Melniboné
I'm a huge fan of Moorcock, having read more of him in my youth than even ReH or even Lovecraft. This was a lovely adaption.
100 (tie). American Way
Ne-ver heard of it. With everything on my growing To-Read list, not sure if this would make the cut.
99. John Sable, Freelance
Have heard of this. Will get to it someday. *sigh*
96 (tie). Solar: Man of the Atom: "Alpha & Omega"
I have a love/hate relationship with Valiant. The only early Valiant that I've read so far was Unity and Solar's appearance therein was one of the highlights.
96 (tie). Silver Surfer: The Ultimate Cosmic Experience
I'm slowly getting around to all the various Surfer stories so this is on that list eventually.
96 (tie). I Am Legend
The movie with Will Smith? Ok, nice history to this but yeah, doubt that I ever will read the novel.
95. Avengers: The Korvac Saga
Read it, LOVED it.
94. Conan The Barbarian, #1-100
Buscema on Conan, I'll take that all day. BWS though...it's too rough looking for me. Every time that I try to read the first 10 issues or so, all I see is that awkward looking helm.
93. Avengers: The Old Order Changeth!
The beginning of a tradition, loved it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 19:47:43 GMT -5
Thoughts on things I didn't vote for...
100. Justice-read a couple of random issues but never the whole thing. Maybe someday.
100. The Nail, liked it well enough the first time I read it, Davis art always a plus, couldn't finish it when I tried to reread it a few years later, just felt meh and hadn't held up.
100. Grendel War Child-picked it up finally a year or so ago but haven;t gotten around to reading it yet
100. Gardner Fox Crisis-like them more on a nostalgia basis than because they are actually good stories. If I were encountering them for the first time as an adult veteran comic book reader they would be nothing special.
100. Elric-I've read more Elric in prose than comic form, and have been putting together the comics stuff to read. I did read the stuff in Epic Illustrated and like it quite a bit.
100. American Way-never read, and am just starting to get interested in Ridly's stuff after reading some interviews with him, so I may have to track this down at some point.
96. Solar: Man of the Atom, aside formt he Barry Windsor-Smith stuff, the Valiant stuff never had any interest to me when it came out and what little I tried later didn't change my mind.
96. Silver Surfer The Ultimate Cosmic Experience-I read a copy borrowed form a friend sometime in the mid-90s and quite dug it, but haven't reread it since. I just picked up a copy late last year but with all the chaos with the house refit, I haven;t gotten around to rereading it.
96. I am Legend-I think I had a random copy of an issue at some point (maybe it had a Cassaday cover I am not sure) but never read it. I didn't like the movie and haven't read the book (it's on my list of classic sci-fi to get to at some point but there is so much on that list we'll see what I actually get to).
93. Cap's Kooky Quartet-I dug these stories when I read them the first time and some of them I read in Marvel Triple Actin as a kid, but I am not fond of the Heck art-he was much better on non-super-hero stuff but I always felt his super-hero stuff felt stiff and lacked a certain dynamic factor which left it feeling dull and tired to me, so I am not really drawn to revisit it any time soon.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 8, 2018 20:15:24 GMT -5
100. Elric-I've read more Elric in prose than comic form, and have been putting together the comics stuff to read. I did read the stuff in Epic Illustrated and like it quite a bit. I'm just now getting around to reading the original Moorcock novels. Allegedly, Moorcock said he preferred the Thomas/Russell comic adaptations to his own work, and thus far I agree. I've only read the first book thus far, but everything Thomas cut out was unimportant to the larger shape of the thing, Russell paints Elric far more powerfully than Moorcock's words do, and Thomas draws more attention to large themes that Moorcock sort of mentions and then drops without much consideration. At least, that's my take on comparing the first book to the comic adaptation of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 7:53:43 GMT -5
Avengers: The Korvac Saga & JLA The Nail were also my favorites as well ... The Korvac Saga intrigued me and the Nail was semi-epic event too. I need to revisit these stories soon.
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