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Post by rberman on Apr 29, 2018 8:59:24 GMT -5
I assume that Kordey was acting on instructions from Morrison; surely the artist isn't authorized to make a character constantly nude without some kind of writing/editorial involvement. She was always albino, though. She seems sort of like a Dream Girl/Saturn Girl hybrid. Her dialogue suggests that she can't easily distinguish the present from the future, which is quite a liability in a combat situation. But as previously depicted, Oracle also has offensive psi-blast capabilities. Morrison shows her being easily overcome by the Stepford Cuckoos. The only reason I thought it might be a mistake is, in all her subsequent appearances, she is back to her original look. I guess Marvel didn't like the change either.
It does cause certain problems in a book they're trying to keep accessible to teens. Although in his day, Claremont seemed to find a reason for Storm to undress every issue or two.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 29, 2018 18:47:40 GMT -5
I assume that Kordey was acting on instructions from Morrison; surely the artist isn't authorized to make a character constantly nude without some kind of writing/editorial involvement. She was always albino, though. She seems sort of like a Dream Girl/Saturn Girl hybrid. Her dialogue suggests that she can't easily distinguish the present from the future, which is quite a liability in a combat situation. But as previously depicted, Oracle also has offensive psi-blast capabilities. Morrison shows her being easily overcome by the Stepford Cuckoos. The only reason I thought it might be a mistake is, in all her subsequent appearances, she is back to her original look. I guess Marvel didn't like the change either.
At several points during Morrison’s tenure I felt that (a) the writer wasn’t all that versed in X-Men lore and that (b) editors were sleeping at the switch. Hence things like several dead members of the Imperial Guard showing up again, Oracle not looking nor behaving like herself, or Sebastian Shaw making threats that only a telepath would. Oh, sure, in all cases a no-prize hungry reader could come up with solutions... “clones!” “Heroes radically change their look from time to time!” “Shaw was referring to telepaths that he has at his beck and call, not to his own power!” It all works, but a good editor should have pointed out that such points should not have to be explained in the first place. On the other hand, Morrison not being a fanboy is one of the things I like about his run. He would not submit his readers to more Psylocke, Gambit or Sabretooth stuff.
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Post by Cheswick on Apr 29, 2018 21:02:58 GMT -5
The only reason I thought it might be a mistake is, in all her subsequent appearances, she is back to her original look. I guess Marvel didn't like the change either.
At several points during Morrison’s tenure I felt that (a) the writer wasn’t all that versed in X-Men lore and that (b) editors were sleeping at the switch. Hence things like several dead members of the Imperial Guard showing up again, Oracle not looking nor behaving like herself, or Sebastian Shaw making threats that only a telepath would. Oh, sure, in all cases a no-prize hungry reader could come up with solutions... “clones!” “Heroes radically change their look from time to time!” “Shaw was referring to telepaths that he has at his beck and call, not to his own power!” It all works, but a good editor should have pointed out that such points should not have to be explained in the first place. On the other hand, Morrison not being a fanboy is one of the things I like about his run. He would not submit his readers to more Psylocke, Gambit or Sabretooth stuff. Yeah, you're probably right. I recall reading an interview with him where he stated he prepared for his run by reading the Essential books, which, at the time, only reprinted up through Claremont's stuff. I also agree that his run probably benefitted from him presumably not being a huge fan. As far as Shaw's telepathy, at the time I figured it was a secondary mutation since Morrison recently introduced that concept with Emma's diamond transformation. But, he actually admitted in an interview it was just a mistake on his part.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 30, 2018 4:39:00 GMT -5
The only reason I thought it might be a mistake is, in all her subsequent appearances, she is back to her original look. I guess Marvel didn't like the change either.
At several points during Morrison’s tenure I felt that (a) the writer wasn’t all that versed in X-Men lore and that (b) editors were sleeping at the switch. I think that was more Marvel as a whole circa 2001 rather than Morrison specifically... I definitely remember the same issues occuring around the Hulk and the Avengers a couple years later. I wasn't a new reader at this point, but I was definitely a reader who hadn't cared about the X-men in 15 years, and it was nice to have stories that were as apathetic towards recent X-men stuff as I was. And as a Bob Haney fan from way back, so I tend to instantly have more respect for creators who are more concerned with theme and story structure than continuity. Those aren't absolutely opposing ideas, of course, except that 93% of the time one takes precedence to the detriment of the other. So much stuff I like in these comics... The Stepford Cuckoos. Mutants running around that didn't look like supermodels (or Jim Lee sexstrocities.) Morrison's Emma Frost - Who's dialog was a sparkling, epervescent-with-a-cyanide-chaser great on every page - Which contrasted with the rest of Morrison's X-men, who all sounded the same: Similar sentence rhythms and word choice You can argue against Claremont's purple prose and random foreign words cut 'n pasted in the middle of a sentence, but by God his characters all sounded different! - And the basic idea that mutants are more excepted over time, and that in and of itself causes huge problems.
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Post by rberman on Apr 30, 2018 7:12:35 GMT -5
So much stuff I like in these comics... The Stepford Cuckoos. Mutants running around that didn't look like supermodels (or Jim Lee sexstrocities.) Morrison's Emma Frost - Who's dialog was a sparkling, epervescent-with-a-cyanide-chaser great on every page - Which contrasted with the rest of Morrison's X-men, who all sounded the same: Similar sentence rhythms and word choice You can argue against Claremont's purple prose and random foreign words cut 'n pasted in the middle of a sentence, but by God his characters all sounded different! - And the basic idea that mutants are more accepted over time, and that in and of itself causes huge problems. Morrison showed a realistic diversity on the topic of mutant/human relations. There were still "No muties" protestors around. As well as "No humans" protestors. Humans who treated mutants as celebrities. Humans so infatuated with mutants that they were willing to kill mutants to harvest their mutant organs for skin grafts as their own "trans-human right." I thought Morrison did show a diversity of dialogue. Beast is erudite and urbane, of course, as he was from Page One. Emma is sarcastic. Domino is nonchalant and a little goofy. Scott is mopey and bitter these days. Logan has graduated from the feral class into the wise uncle who's seen it all. Xavier has, well as much or little personality as ever, given his mentor role. Only Jean has no distinguishing dialogue traits; she's a competent professional woman, which is a difficult character to write memorable dialogue for but a valued member of any organization. Now, Morrison's challenge is that he keeps all the characterization in dialogue, whereas Claremont had all the characters engaged in constant internal monologues that gave us great insight into their distinctive thoughts on each topic. It's easier for Morrison to do what he's doing when Claremont has already laid the groundwork.
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Post by rberman on Apr 30, 2018 7:16:49 GMT -5
New X-Men #125 “Losers” (May 2002)The striking cover by Van Sciver shows Beak eating a grasshopper, though in the story he never shows bird-like eating habits. Reminder: During this storyline, the minds of Charles Xavier and his twin sister Cassandra Nova have switched bodies. I will refer to Cassandra-in-Charles as “Cassandra” and “she,” and Charles-in-Cassandra as “Charles” and “he.” Thank you, and have a nice flight. The Story: On the Shi’ar starship, when the ensorcerelled Lilandra commands her own military to self-destruct, Her chancellor Araki decides he’s had enough. He dubs Cassandra as Mummudrai, which means roughly “Antithesis.” Xorn prevents Superguardian G-Type from killing Araki, absorbing the plasma-based Superguardian into his hands. Then Xorn saves Lilandra from a Cassandra-induced suicide attempt. He’s on a roll! Cyclops, meanwhile, feels impotent to use his optic blasts on the taunting Cassandra for fear of hurting Xavier’s body. (He also feels impotent because she’s mocking his marital competence.) Cassandra takes the teleport beam down to the mansion, followed quickly by Scott and Xorn, carrying Araki and Lilandra. Then the ship goes boom! Did they make it? Emma Frost is still stymied by the shield/helmet placed on her head last issue. Angel sneaks into the mansion, guided mentally by the Stepford Cuckoos, and finds Beak finally awake in the lab; she frees him and finds him some clothes. Everyone has to admit that Beak has a great idea: Mind-read the captive Superguardian Stuff to learn the trick of deactivating the helmet on Emma. It works! Also, Angel snagged a genetic sample of Cassandra’s body from Beast’s lab. Igor Kordey is still confused about the layout of the mansion; he shows Beast's laboratory (in which Beak is imprisoned) behind the bookcase in Xavier's study, while Xavier's Cerebra lab (now containing dying Xavier) is apparently in the basement near the Danger Room. Obviously those should be reversed. Beast moves the journalists from the Cerebra room to the Danger Room, where he claims he's going to turn on an R-rated program but actually treats them to a holographic fireworks display. He has an uncomfortable moment with his recent ex-girlfriend Trish, who is among the humans covering the press conference back in #123. Shi’ar Superguardians Gladiator, Manta, Smasher, Plutonia, and “the Star Boy one” run a delaying mission against Cassandra, who gives them a collective smackdown off-panel. Our heroes can’t think straight due to the nano-Sentinels giving them a serious bloodstream attack. Cassandra’s body is dying, and Beast, Jean Grey-Summers, and Logan debate whether saving the body is tactically wise, given that Cassandra may be returning to claim it at any moment. Jean proposes a daring plan to download Xavier’s mind into her own brain, allowing Cassandra’s body to die. It works! Now we’re set up for the telepathic showdown next time around… My Two Cents: This issue is something of a breath-catching episode between mega-battles. Once again character moments are the most interesting. The trailer-trash Angel tries to impress the well-heeled Stepford Cuckoos by pretending to be a drug addict. They wouldn’t be impressed by that, and they’re not fooled anyway. Don’t bluff telepaths, kids! Beak gets a goth-kid moment to express Byronic woe about his predicament. Still Kordey on art, still can’t draw faces well. Superguardian G-Type reports that Xorn has a brain like a tiny sun. Where does this information come from? Later revelations will render this dialogue problematic in retrospect. Morrison is cheating a little.
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Post by rberman on May 1, 2018 5:41:20 GMT -5
New X-Men #126 “All Hell” (June 2002)I'm leaving this cover image large since it features several students who will play significant roles in stories published a couple of years from now. I wonder whether Morrison described them for Quitely, or whether Morrison just liked characters that Quitely invented and decided to run with them when time permitted. Reminder: During this storyline, the minds of Charles Xavier and his twin sister Cassandra Nova have switched bodies. I will refer to Cassandra-in-Charles as “Cassandra” and “she,” and Charles-in-Cassandra as “Charles” and “he.” Thank you, and have a nice flight. The Story: Cyclops and Xorn beam down from the exploding Shi’ar spaceship, and Xorn heals Jean Grey-Summers of the nano-Sentinel infestation in her bloodstream. Cassandra has defeated the Shi’ar Superguardians in an off-panel battle. Logan and Beast go into berserker mode, which apparently makes it difficult for Cassandra to attack them psychically. (The U-Men did the same trick when Jean Grey attacked them telepathically several issues ago.) She brings a horde of mind-controlled X-students to her defense. In the confusion, Xorn grapples with Cassandra intent on “healing” Xavier’s body of her, while Beast injects her with the nano-sentinel infestation, weakening her further. Jean struggles to hold it together, alternately speaking with her own mind and the mind of Charles Xavier stored within her bursting brain. To clear her head (literally), using Cerebra she temporarily distributes his consciousness within the minds of all mutants worldwide. Jean steps aside, and Cassandra wears the Cerebra helm, intending to control all mutants everywhere at once, as she tried to do several issues ago. Instead, Charles’ consciousness floods back into his brain from all those mutants, driving Cassandra out into a bodiless psychic manifestation. Out in the garden, Emma Frost and the Stepford Cuckoos have been messing with the captive Stuff, who is some sort of changeling bio-computer. Exposed to Cassandra’s DNA sample that Angel lifted from the lab last issue, Stuff transforms into a simulacrum of Cassandra’s body. Emma offers this body to Cassandra’s consciousness, who moves in before realizing it’s not her real body. Trapped! And Stuff has been programmed to take Cassandra’s mind through a re-education process starting in infancy, keeping her consciousness busy while maybe resulting in a better mental outcome next time. As a bonus: When Xavier awakens back inside his own body again, he finds that Xorn has healed him; he can walk again! (Again.) My Two Cents: Thus ends Morrison’s first year as X-Writer. It’s an original story, focusing on an original villain, introducing numerous memorable supporting characters while telling a story built on four of the six original cast members. Wolverine is around too – how could he not be? – but relegated to the background rather than hogging the spotlight. I can’t think of any elements of regular (i.e. non-X) Marvel Universe continuity in the whole story. No crossovers that existed only to publicize dubious new series from the House of Ideas. No recurring mustache twirlers from X-Men days of yore. And I didn’t miss any of those continuity elements at all. How about you? Several issues later, Cyclops will actually comment, “After Genosha, the old troublemakers don’t seem to bother, do they?” There is one reference to Onslaught. Xavier, like us, seems glad to lose that memory. Several pages of this issue are exposition by Xavier-in-Jean. The Shi’ar believe that Xavier’s antenatal experience is universal, not unique; every fetus struggles with its ideological opposite in the womb, and only one of the two survives to be born. Interesting philosophical concept; I wonder whether Morrison originated it or borrowed it. Anyway, Charles Xavier prevailed over fetal Cassandra; she was stillborn, and her body was disposed of in the City Sanitation system (Note: This is not actually what we do with stillborn babies, in case you were wondering), where many years later her still-living consciousness was able to coalesce her few remaining cells as the basis to grow a whole body. This is consistent with her immense regenerative powers but still doesn’t explain how Xavier’s identical twin can be a different sex. Are the Shi’ar going to be OK with Superguardian Stuff being relegated to a prison for Cassandra whom the X-Men imprison in a footlocker indefinitely? Isn’t he, like, a sentient being and a valuable member of an interstellar strike force? The X-Men exploit their two advantages over Cassandra, despite her raw power. First, they have tons more combat experience than she does, and teamwork practice as well. Second, she’s using Xavier’s body and brain, which they know well.
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Post by rberman on May 2, 2018 7:15:52 GMT -5
New X-Men #127 “Of Living and Dying” (July 2002)
The Story: Xorn, Cyclops, and Jean Grey-Summers find a demonstration/riot by normal humans on the edge of Mutant Town, which is in the Alphabet City section of New York City. There’s reportedly a monster on the loose who ate somebody's dog. Xorn is puzzled by the vitriol of the rock-throwing protestors. Back at the mansion, Xavier expounds on the pros and cons of tribalism as a communal defense mechanism. Xorn follows his inner senses to an apartment in Monster Town where a woman is tending her child, a giant Kirbyesque devil-beast out of Marvel’s period of monster books. She has poisoned herself and her child with an overdose of sleeping pills, sure that the world has no place for them, but it seems to be more effective at killing her than her child. Before Xorn can heal her, the devil-child punches him through the building, intent on carrying his mother to the pharmacy to get medicine to save her. Police kill the devil-monster before Xorn can defuse the situation My Two Cents: Is this a fill-in issue? I guess so. It has a different set of artists and focuses on a single character and does not depend on ongoing continuity, except the presence of Xorn in the first place. Comic books often pause for a character-based story as a breather after a series of cataclysmic battles. Xorn as the newest X-Men is a good candidate to be the focus of such a story. So he's the second character to get a second cover pin-up. Much of the text is Xorn’s internal monologue, a diary written for Xavier. It’s lovely, peaceful, wistful toward the suffering and fear in the world. He speaks of growing up with his family in China, of their neighborhood and their aspirations to live in harmony with everyone and everything. Pencils are by John Paul Leon, whom I know not at all, and Bill Sienkiewicz, whom I know well from 80s Marvel work. For some reason Bill does a lot more inking these days, which is surprising for one of the most celebrated artists of the 80s, known for fascinating watercolor covers, innovative page layouts, and extensive use of collage and other techniques. But hey, he’s involved, and I’ll take what I can get of that. Xavier is upgrading Cerebra with the ability to control the minds of mutants around the world, but I'm pretty sure we don't see this ability used. Thankfully! He's too powerful already to make good stories about him easy to write. Morrison advances the theme of "mutant chic" with this irate crowd that nevertheless wants Jean Grey's autograph.
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Post by rberman on May 3, 2018 5:50:37 GMT -5
New X-Men #128 “New Worlds” (August 2002)
The Story: Charles Xavier publicly declares himself a mutant. Apparently this is something that Cassandra Nova did while she was in control of Xavier’s body? A riot breaks out at the French X-Corporation building. Lots of new-to-Morrison characters are there: Siryn, Darkstar, Rictor, Madrox, Monet, and Cannonball. Jean Grey-Summers is there too, briefing them on a mission to extract civilians from a subway car wreck underground. The civilians have been infected with some mid-controlling infection, and the rescue squad contracts it too and turns on itself in combat. Morrison loads this issue with fun team banter and Britishisms that don't all fit their characters, like Madrox (who is from New Mexico) saying "go mental," or later when Cyclops calls a turtleneck shirt a "rollneck." Jean asks Xavier to test her abilities and peer into her soul to see whether she’s in danger of going all Dark Phoenix. Her subconscious has become so powerful that it’s not safe for him to enter, so Jean enters a semi-trance while Xavier speaks verbally with the Phoenix-force within her. This lengthy sequence has two important bits. One is when Xavier speculates that Cassandra Nova was essentially a force of nature attacking mutants. He muses that evolution itself might be intelligent. Store that thought. The other is when Jean gives him a mysterious vision of a city in flames, with dead X-Men scattered about. "Are these words from the future?" We already heard Xavier say that back in Morrison's first issue, under the influence of Cerebra amplification. Store that thought too. In a dark Parisian alley, Fantomex, a masked man in Stormshadow-white shoots up (and is shot up by) a Special Forces team before acrobating away. He infiltrates the X-Corp building and demands sanctuary from the attack helicopter hovering outside the building. Somewhere in a room with two chairs, Cyclops begins spilling his emotional guts to a leering Emma Frost. He calls his marital stability “phony” and complains that Jean is only sexually adventurous when she's being mind-controlled by the Hellfire Club. My Two Cents: OK, this one was confusing. Morrison has finally decided to pull us into broader X-book continuity, and since my last issue of X-Men was somewhere around 1987, I was totally lost with this new team, which I guess must have a book of its own? No? Siryn was easy to pick out since she wears Banshee’s costume. Cannonball and Jamie Madrox I knew well from the 80s. Darkstar... I saw her somewhere in the 80s. Rictor and Monet were new to me, so they must be 90s characters. Cyclops’ complaint about Jean in a corset seems quite revisionist; she was under Mastermind’s control at the time and acting very out of character. He doesn’t even bring up Logan, the only remotely unfaithful component of her life, while he’s had a string of other relationships with the likes of Colleen Wing and Lee Forester and Maddy Pryor (and now, Emma) over the years. But Morrison is hitting on two well-known truisms that (1) married men often feel entitled to more sex than their wives wish to give them, and (2) people falling off the cliff of infidelity tend to focus on and even inflate any similar behavior by their spouses, as a pretext for being unfaithful themselves. Jean on the other hand doesn’t talk to Charles about her marital issues (which I can sort of understand) but also leaves Scott home with Emma (which I do not understand, after the Hong Kong episode). Igor Kordey is on art once again. He gives us a full splash page splay-legged crotch shot not only of Emma but also of Jean. Perhaps this was supposed to be some kind of mirror metaphor commenting on their respective relationships with Scott, but it just feels icky. Also, since he can’t draw nice faces, both of these stunning women look quite unattractive in most images, but especially the two splash pages. No, I am not going to post them.
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Post by Cheswick on May 3, 2018 9:15:51 GMT -5
X-Corporation was Xavier's attempt to pick up the pieces of X-Corps, a mutant paramilitary group founded by Banshee that did not end well. That story took place toward the start of Morrison's run in Joe Casey's run on Uncanny X-Men. Rictor and Monet were indeed 90s characters. The former being a member of X-Force and the latter was one of Emma Frost's students from Generation X.
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Post by rberman on May 3, 2018 11:13:23 GMT -5
X-Corporation was Xavier's attempt to pick up the pieces of X-Corps, a mutant paramilitary group founded by Banshee that did not end well. That story took place toward the start of Morrison's run in Joe Casey's run on Uncanny X-Men. Rictor and Monet were indeed 90s characters. The former being a member of X-Force and the latter was one of Emma Frost's students from Generation X. At what point did Emma Frost become someone who was trusted enough to have students on X-teams? I am unclear what the X-Men thought about Genosha as it existed at the beginning of Morrison's run.
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Post by Cheswick on May 3, 2018 11:32:04 GMT -5
X-Corporation was Xavier's attempt to pick up the pieces of X-Corps, a mutant paramilitary group founded by Banshee that did not end well. That story took place toward the start of Morrison's run in Joe Casey's run on Uncanny X-Men. Rictor and Monet were indeed 90s characters. The former being a member of X-Force and the latter was one of Emma Frost's students from Generation X. At what point did Emma Frost become someone who was trusted enough to have students on X-teams? I am unclear what the X-Men thought about Genosha as it existed at the beginning of Morrison's run. Before Emma taught on Genosha she worked for Xavier, running (along with Banshee) the Massachusetts Academy in Generation X, essentially training the next generation of X-Men. That series started in 1994 and established her on a path to redemption. It continued the pattern of Xavier's belief in second chances, as previously shown with Mimic, Rogue, Magneto, etc. At the end of the Generation X series Emma receives a call from Xavier, who sends a helicopter for her. The next time we see her is on Genosha, teaching a class. So, I always presumed Xavier had something to do with the school on Genosha.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 3, 2018 11:54:14 GMT -5
New X-Men #128 “New Worlds” (August 2002)
The Story: Charles Xavier publicly declares himself a mutant. Apparently this is something that Cassandra Nova did while she was in control of Xavier’s body? A riot breaks out at the French X-Corporation building. Lots of new-to-Morrison characters are there: Siryn, Darkstar, Rictor, Madrox, Monet, and Cannonball. Jean Grey-Summers is there too, briefing them on a mission to extract civilians from a subway car wreck underground. The civilians have been infected with some mid-controlling infection, and the rescue squad contracts it too and turns on itself in combat. Jean asks Xavier to test her abilities and peer into her soul to see whether she’s in danger of going all Dark Phoenix. Her subconscious has become so powerful that it’s not safe for him to enter, so Jean enters a semi-trance while Xavier speaks verbally with the Phoenix-force within her. In a dark Parisian alley, Fantomex, a masked man in Stormshadow-white shoots up (and is shot up by) a Special Forces team before acrobating away. He infiltrates the X-Corp building and demands sanctuary from the attack helicopter hovering outside the building. Somewhere in a room with two chairs, Cyclops begins spilling his emotional guts to a leering Emma Frost. He calls his marital stability “phony” and complains that “she ran around in a corset for everyone, but with me it’s sensible shoes and rollnecks.” My Two Cents: OK, this one was confusing. Morrison has finally decided to pull us into broader X-book continuity, and since my last issue of X-Men was somewhere around 1987, I was totally lost with this new team, which I guess must have a book of its own? No? Siryn was easy to pick out since she wears Banshee’s costume. Cannonball and Jamie Madrox I knew well from the 80s. Darkstar... I saw her somewhere in the 80s. Rictor and Monet were new to me, so they must be 90s characters. Cyclops’ complaint about Jean in a corset seems quite revisionist; she was under Mastermind’s control at the time and acting very out of character. He doesn’t even bring up Logan, the only remotely unfaithful component of her life, while he’s had a string of other relationships with the likes of Colleen Wing and Lee Forester and Maddy Pryor (and now, Emma) over the years. But Morrison is hitting on two well-known truisms that (1) married men often feel entitled to more sex than their wives wish to give them, and (2) people falling off the cliff of infidelity tend to focus on and even inflate any similar behavior by their spouses, as a pretext for being unfaithful themselves. Jean on the other hand doesn’t talk to Charles about her marital issues (which I can sort of understand) but also leaves Scott home with Emma (which I do not understand, after the Hong Kong episode). The scene with Xavier and Jean talking about (and with) the Phoenix is rather long, six pages of two people sitting in chairs talking, albeit with a Phoenix raptor manifesting at one point. It would have been nice to see more of the subway incursion leading up to the zombie attack, though. Igor Kordey is on art once again. He gives us a full splash page splay-legged crotch shot not only of Emma but also of Jean. Perhaps this was supposed to be some kind of mirror metaphor commenting on their respective relationships with Scott, but it just feels icky. Also, since he can’t draw nice faces, both of these stunning women look quite unattractive in most images, but especially the two splash pages. No, I am not going to post them. Ah yes, Morrison's swipe of Diabolik, with Fantomas' name (and Arsene Lupin's attitude) For those not versed with European comics and French pulp literature, Diabolik is an anti-hero thief, created by sisters Angelina and Luciana Giussani. He wears a skintight outfit and mask (which indicates the lines of his mouth, in the art) and confounds Inspector Ginko, while taking on more deadly criminals and terrorists, aided by his lover Eva Kant. He starred in over 800 volumes of Italian fumetti ("puff of smoke," the Italian term for comics). The basic concept is swiped from French pulp literature, in the forms of the gentleman thief Arsene Lupin and the master criminal Fantomas. Lupin is a thief who more often than not is on the side of the angels and even faced Sherlock Holmes, in a copyright violation that nearly led to lawsuits from Conan Doyle and his publisher. Fantomas is a master criminal and psychopath who is hunted by the journalist Fandor and police Inspector Juve. Morrison's likely introduction is the 1968 film Danger: Diabolik, from Mario Bava and Dino De Laurentiis, and Andre Hunebelle's three Fantomas films (Fantomas, Fantomas Unleashed, and Fantomas vs Scotland Yard) from 1964-67, starring Jean Marais as both Fandor and Fantomas.
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Post by rberman on May 3, 2018 12:33:10 GMT -5
In a dark Parisian alley, Fantomex, a masked man in Stormshadow-white shoots up (and is shot up by) a Special Forces team before acrobating away. He infiltrates the X-Corp building and demands sanctuary from the attack helicopter hovering outside the building. Ah yes, Morrison's swipe of Diabolik, with Fantomas' name (and Arsene Lupin's attitude) For those not versed with European comics and French pulp literature, Diabolik is an anti-hero thief, created by sisters Angelina and Luciana Giussani. He wears a skintight outfit and mask (which indicates the lines of his mouth, in the art) and confounds Inspector Ginko, while taking on more deadly criminals and terrorists, aided by his lover Eva Kant. He starred in over 800 volumes of Italian fumetti ("puff of smoke," the Italian term for comics). The basic concept is swiped from French pulp literature, in the forms of the gentleman thief Arsene Lupin and the master criminal Fantomas. Lupin is a thief who more often than not is on the side of the angels and even faced Sherlock Holmes, in a copyright violation that nearly led to lawsuits from Conan Doyle and his publisher. Fantomas is a master criminal and psychopath who is hunted by the journalist Fandor and police Inspector Juve. Morrison's likely introduction is the 1968 film Danger: Diabolik, from Mario Bava and Dino De Laurentiis, and Andre Hunebelle's three Fantomas films (Fantomas, Fantomas Unleashed, and Fantomas vs Scotland Yard) from 1964-67, starring Jean Marais as both Fandor and Fantomas. Heh, good to know! The archetype was obvious enough; the swipe is more brazen than was obvious just at a first pass. This is probably one of the reasons that Marvel and DC raided Britain for creators who had a whole other set of influences upon which to draw, that would seem fresh to American audiences. It's wacky to think how things bounce around the world so that Scrooge McDuck influences Astro Boy which grows up into Pokemon and influences a whole generation of young Americans. Or how blues was mediated through Elvis and Chuck Berry separately to influence the Beatles and U2 separately and produce two completely different strains of music that came back to influence American music. Et cetera.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 3, 2018 14:09:48 GMT -5
There was a page in Warrior, about the creation of the look for V For Vendetta, where David Lloyd suggests a "painted on" mask, like in Danger: Diabolik. He was a bit confused, as the mask is rubber, in the film, to make it more form fitting, with the mouth line moulded into the rubber. It did look painted on in certain scenes. You can see Diabolik in the final episode of the original MST3K, when it ended its run on the Sci-Fi Channel. They are a bit harsh, as it is a great 60s campy caper film, with a great Ennio Morricone soundtrack.
The film also influences a movie within a movie, in Roman Coppola's CQ, about a young man working in European cinema, in the 60s. John Phillip Law has a small role in the film, and the film that is being shot, in the story, is a mix of Diabolik and Barbarella.
One of the big things that the British Comic Invasion brought is a lot of theft from Michael Moorcock. Both Morrison and Alan Moore drew heavily from his writing, as did Neil Gaiman, to a point. Morrison stole heavily from Jerry Cornelius, to the point that Moorcock called him out on it. He also brought a lot from British tv, as his concept for New X-Men was based on Gerry Anderson's Thunderbirds, seeing the team as International Rescue, coming to the aid of mutants in trouble. He wrote an Avengers (Steed and Mrs Peel) mini and wrote an intro to a Prisoner reference book. Kim Newman (Anno Dracula), friend of Gaiman, is another that brings a lot of that to his writing, especially his Diogenes Club stories, which draw on the Avengers, Jason King, Adam Adamant and Doctor Who (especially Jon Pertwee).
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