|
Post by rberman on May 3, 2018 14:18:16 GMT -5
Morrison stole heavily from Jerry Cornelius, to the point that Moorcock called him out on it. He also brought a lot from British tv, as his concept for New X-Men was based on Gerry Anderson's Thunderbirds, seeing the team as International Rescue, coming to the aid of mutants in trouble. I can see the "international rescue" idea coming through in X-Corporation, which plays a role in the Hong Kong story (2001 annual) as well as the Paris-based story which we're currently discussing. Other than that, Morrison's plots largely involved the X-Men getting into trouble right at home. Do you know where he might have gotten the Mummudrai concept (we all fight our ideological opposite in the womb) idea from?
|
|
|
Post by codystarbuck on May 3, 2018 16:52:47 GMT -5
Morrison stole heavily from Jerry Cornelius, to the point that Moorcock called him out on it. He also brought a lot from British tv, as his concept for New X-Men was based on Gerry Anderson's Thunderbirds, seeing the team as International Rescue, coming to the aid of mutants in trouble. I can see the "international rescue" idea coming through in X-Corporation, which plays a role in the Hong Kong story (2001 annual) as well as the Paris-based story which we're currently discussing. Other than that, Morrison's plots largely involved the X-Men getting into trouble right at home. Do you know where he might have gotten the Mummudrai concept (we all fight our ideological opposite in the womb) idea from? Not sure about that one, though Moorcock was big on that area of things; chaos vs order and the balance in between. Probably some other stuff in there. I know Ballard is another big one with the Brit omic crowd (who was featured in Moorcock's New Worlds magazine. William S Burroughs and Anthony Burgess are also big figures. The duality idea goes back to ancients, with plenty of myths and stories about opposite numbers. Moorcock seemed to be the guiding figure for modern british sci-fi and fantasy, which influenced a lot of the British comics crowd, both in his own work and as an editor of others. I suspect he introduced them to a lot of new material, beyond what he published in New Worlds. Moorcock also had his feet in the pulp past, with the Sexton Blake library and pulp influences in his own stories (like his Kane of Mars Burroughs pastiches and his proto-steampunk Oswald Bastable stories, such as Warlord of the Air, Land Leviathan, and The Steel Tsar). Then, you have the American and European comics that they were exposed to.
|
|
|
Post by rberman on May 4, 2018 6:47:15 GMT -5
New X-Men #129 “Fantomex” (September 2002)
The Story: Jean Grey-Summers and Charles Xavier host the wounded Fantomex in the X-Corporation skyscraper while attack helicopters hover outside the window and soldiers fill the lobby. Jean telepathically staunches his wound's blood flow. When a mean-as-nails Marine storms the room from the elevator, Xavier causes him to remember the traumas of his childhood, reconsidering his life of violence altogether. Finally, Fantomex summons his flying saucer, E.V.A., to scare off the helicopters and take Charles and Jean to the mountainside home in the country where he lives with his blind mother. Fantomex is not as grateful for the rescue as I might have expected; he has secret documents about government anti-mutant programs, but he wants Xavier to pay big bucks for them. One suspects the “wounded warrior” routine was just a ruse to bring Xavier here for this clandestine sales pitch. Fantomex gives some exposition: Inside The World, a temporal bubble somewhere in England, time runs much faster than in our world. The World is a breeding ground of genetic experimentation, developing anti-mutant mutants with names like Weapon XII. Some of these were loaded onto a train for a fake accident in the Paris subways. A team of X-Men is there now, getting wrecked. So Fantomex makes Xavier a new offer: Work together to save the X-team while killing Weapon XII. We'll be visiting The World itself in a couple of years. My Two Cents: Fantomex fancies himself a gentleman thief, his home full of plundered museum loot like sarcophagi and Van Gogh paintings. He gets pretty flirty with Jean. But aren't wonderbras for small-breasted women? (I'm asking, not being an expert.) Is that an insult toward buxom Jean? His array of mutant powers show him to be something of a Mary Sue: acrobatics, combat, impressive intuition that borders on mind-reading based on observable details like body posture, and apparently illusion-casting as well. Clearly Fantomex is a favorite Morrison creation from whom we can expect to be seeing more. Fantomex claims that Xavier has a personal worth of $3.5 billion. According to Forbes Magazine, in 2018, having a net worth of $3.5 billion does not even put Xavier in the top 500 richest men in the world. I guess a billion dollars doesn’t go as far as it used to, but I still don’t know the commercial source upon which Xavier’s financial empire rests. The last time I read X-Men, “Weapon X” was a letter, so I don’t know whether Morrison was the first to decide that it’s a Roman numeral with a long string of other experiments before it, and now subsequent to it as well. The art by Igor Kordey is sometimes awful but sometimes (as on the cover) pretty good. Here's a nice shot of Fantomex mirroring the Egyptian statue behind him.
|
|
|
Post by codystarbuck on May 4, 2018 12:21:40 GMT -5
So, there you see the Diabolik referencing, as E.V.A. is obviously a nod to Eva Kant and that magician poster is a nod the the early depictions of Fantomas, wearing evening dress and an eye mask. Fantomas was one of the earliest subjects of film adaptation, with a series of serials, in the 19-teens. That era of French silent film would also introduce the film creations of Louis Feuillade, including Judex (a cloaked avenger with a black hat, who terrorizes criminal and is inspired by the Count of Monte Cristo) and Les Vampyres (with Irma Vep, a flamboyant thief, member of the Vampires, a gang of criminals). Judex predates The Shadow by about 20 years and Irma Vep provides much inspiration for Avengers heroines Cathy Gale and Emma Peel (especially Emma's catsuits).
|
|
|
Post by rberman on May 4, 2018 12:39:27 GMT -5
Easter eggs galore! Note the "I hate French movies" comment from the soldier in the first illustration.
|
|
|
Post by codystarbuck on May 4, 2018 22:52:32 GMT -5
Easter eggs galore! Note the "I hate French movies" comment from the soldier in the first illustration. While carrying a rifle that looks very much like the French FAMAS assault rifle...
|
|
|
Post by rberman on May 5, 2018 6:49:29 GMT -5
New X-Men #130 “Weapon Twelve” (October 2002)
The Story: Charles Xavier, Jean Grey-Summers, and Fantomex race toward downtown Paris in a flying saucer named E.V.A., who “isn’t a vehicle. She’s my partner. She’s my mutation.” Well, one of them anyway. So, that’s new! Jean telepathically immobilizes Weapon XII, ak.a. Zona-Cluster 6, a.k.a. The Huntsman, a blue giant with his brain on the outside of his head, allowing the X-Men Siryn, Rictor, Cannonball, and Madrox to escape the subway tunnel full of zombies under Weapon XII control. Xavier takes control of a hundred Madrox Multiple Men to challenge Zona-Cluster 6, who otherwise would be able to zombify all the Madroxes just by infecting one. Fantomex charges toward the subway car where Weapon XII’s techno-coffin lies, shooting many a zombified Parisian in his way. Oh, and killing zombified Darkstar also. He’s sorry! Not really! When Zona is defeated and the dust settles, Jean notices that there’s an empty coffin for Weapon XII, and also one for Weapon XIII. Turns out the Fantomex is Weapon XIII. He finds and hits a killswitch, exploding Zona’s brain; all the zombified civilians drop dead. Fantomex reclaims and disables his own killswitch and flees the scene. The French military arrive to clean up, prompting a humorous exchange with Xavier. My Two Cents: After some Fantomex-related exposition in the first few pages, the rest of the battle is the ugly underground subway rescue, which has massive civilian casualties. Fantomex charms Jean into letting him go. Somehow the whole experience in the mountaintop villa (and perhaps the journey there?) was an illusion, and the secrets which Fantomex offered to sell are actually in his head, not on a CD-ROM. I’m not sure how he pulled that trick on Xavier and Jean, two of the world’s strongest telepaths, while wearing a helmet that prevents them from reading his thoughts in return. But that’s the premise, so I’ll go with it. The World is an intriguing idea that we won’t see more of for several issues yet to come. Igor Kordey is on art. Still. Weapon XII, a.k.a. Zona Cluster-7, is also known as The Huntsman. This reflects Grant Morrison's interest in Welsh mythology. He will soon be writing a Seven Soldiers story for DC based on Welsh myths,with another version of the horned Huntsman once again cast as the heavy.
|
|
|
Post by Reptisaurus! on May 6, 2018 2:38:35 GMT -5
One of the big things that the British Comic Invasion brought is a lot of theft from Michael Moorcock. Both Morrison and Alan Moore drew heavily from his writing, as did Neil Gaiman, to a point. Morrison stole heavily from Jerry Cornelius, to the point that Moorcock called him out on it. I think "theft" is so loaded a word that it's inaccurate. (A) Moorccock was a major influence in American comics long before the British got here - Steve Englehart's Doc Strange is deeply Moorcockian, Elric freaking turned up as a character in Roy Thomas Conan, and - while they started at about the same time - I wouldn't be at all surprised if Moorcock didn't influence the direction of Schwartz and Fox's Earth Two stories. Morcook definitely helped define the politics, and the scope of storytelling that guys like Morrison and Moore would use... These years long ongoing narratives that are both very personal and very (left wingishly) political. But I don't see Morrison - Or Moore, or Gaiman, or Ellis - "stealing" from Moorcock, at least in his American comics career. Side-note: Morrisondefinitely and purposefully ripped off Moorcock while writing for low-profile British comics written when he was, like, 19. Big whoop, says I. The 3 issues of the Invisibles (out of 59) that had Moorcock's panties in a twist were - at least according to Morrison - a definite and admitted pastiche of a mid 20th century British Sci-Fi writer... J. G. Ballard.* (Note: Not Moorcock.) And obviously the major authorial influence on the Invisibles as a whole was Robert Anton Wilson. But I've heard Morrison claim that the Matrix was a rip-off of the Invisibles and that is also - IMO - a load of horseshit. I didn't like the Matrix and I don't think much about the Matrix and I haven't seen the Matrix since I saw the first one in theaters, but wasn't that 99% Phillip K. Dick for dummies? My take-a-way from this is that British sci-ficomics writers in general have an inflated sense of their own importance. I could certainly live my whole life without reading another bitchy old-man-yells-at-cloud Alan Moore interview about how the younger generation is ripping him off. * I haven't read J. G. Ballard, though. So I can't judge the veracity of this claim.**
|
|
|
Post by Reptisaurus! on May 6, 2018 4:58:36 GMT -5
Oh yeah, hee, they were way behind schedule and Kordey had no time at all to draw these issues.
|
|
|
Post by rberman on May 6, 2018 6:55:33 GMT -5
Oh yeah, hee, they were way behind schedule and Kordey had no time at all to draw these issues. And why was he so far behind turning in scripts? Some of these issues are astonishingly decompressed and have rather low word counts. Was Morrison overcommitted with writing on three other titles? Was he busy having a Lost Month in Maiorca? Writer's block? Hospitalized for schizophrenia? Reasearching Fantomas details? If his work ethic was just that bad, why did he keep getting work? I just would have expected editorial to step in somehow, whether it meant canning him or getting somebody else to write a fill-in arc or two that took somebody (perhaps the neglected Beast) on an adventure that didn't damage the threads of continuity. There was certainly room in the plot for it. The Fantomex arc only uses Charles and Jean. The World arc (still upcoming in the issue reviews) only uses Logan and Scott.
|
|
|
Post by rberman on May 6, 2018 7:05:13 GMT -5
New X-Men #131 “Some Angels Falling” (October 2002)
The Story: Charles Xavier presides over Darkstar’s funeral. Later, on a hillside near the Xavier Institute, Archangel gives a flying tutorial to winged students including Beak and Angel (II). Everybody soars except Beak. Angel, who’s had a couple of beers, goes from incessantly insulting Beak to kissing him full on the mouth. Er, beak. Later we learn she did it to win a bet with some classmates, but the oblivious Beak is ecstatic over the first attention a girl has ever given him in his life. Some of the students are going with Archangel on some sort of humanitarian mission into Shi’ar space, but Angel is staying behind, so Beak is too, following her like a puppy dog, Hank McCoy warns Emma Frost off of messing with Scott and Jean’s marriage. “It’s undignified. And Jean will kill you.” Logan’s working that concern as well, warning Scott to take steps to improve his marriage. All to no avail; even while Scott’s body is in the Blackbird, his mind is literally far away, having a telepathic fantasy/therapy session with Emma that starts with skydiving, and gets more twisted thereafter. My Two Cents: Unhealthy romance is in the air in this issue. Angel is too emotionally stunted to express overt attraction to Beak, so she resorts to pulling his proverbial pigtails with a string of “freak” jokes. She also enjoys his effusive expressions of devotion, something she’s probably never had before and secretly feels unworthy of, so she settles for watching him out of the corner of her eye. We see again how Beak has the traits of young Grant Morrison, including self-identification as a "straight edge" (drug-free) punk rocker. Meanwhile, Emma genuinely is helping Scott process the mental trauma of his possession experience, but she doesn’t know who to relate to a man non-sexually, so she drags him into her own drama. This would not end well even if he were unmarried, instead of being married to a creature of passion who’s been known to eat solar systems when enraged (or simply hungry). So it’s a double-entrendre of an issue title, referring both to Angel falling for Beak despite her emotional wounds, and the formerly angelic Scott falling for Emma because of his emotional wounds. (The funeral of Darkstar might allow even a third fallen angel in the mix, though we haven't seen enough of her to really miss her.) Morrison is in full-on soap opera mode here, but it’s effective, credible character development. I’m kind of glad that we can go for five months of X-Men only giving Wolverine a few panels in one issue. He was way overexposed at one point and is just not All That. As part of the ensemble, he’s fine. Morrison has his own super-cool pet super-soldier now anyway, namely Fantomex. But at the moment, the spotlight belongs to Jean, Scott, and Emma, plus Beak and Angel. It’s good to see some nod to the notion that the Shi’ar suffered disaster at the hands of Cassandra Nova back when she was controlling Lilandra to do who-knows-what. Better than hearing about it would be to see it, of course, especially to justify that Archangel and a team of X-students will somehow be helpful in the clean-up, given that the Shi’ar already have many superheroes of their own. John Paul Leon is on pencils and Bill Sienkiewicz on inks again. Bill’s quirky art style comes through more in this issue than it did in the Xorn spotlight, which is a good thing. This is the second issue dated October 2002. Was this book publishing every four weeks instead of monthly? Seems that pressure might contribute to the series being rushed in production, as we know it to have been.
|
|
|
Post by codystarbuck on May 6, 2018 10:13:10 GMT -5
One of the big things that the British Comic Invasion brought is a lot of theft from Michael Moorcock. Both Morrison and Alan Moore drew heavily from his writing, as did Neil Gaiman, to a point. Morrison stole heavily from Jerry Cornelius, to the point that Moorcock called him out on it. I think "theft" is so loaded a word that it's inaccurate. (A) Moorccock was a major influence in American comics long before the British got here - Steve Englehart's Doc Strange is deeply Moorcockian, Elric freaking turned up as a character in Roy Thomas Conan, and - while they started at about the same time - I wouldn't be at all surprised if Moorcock didn't influence the direction of Schwartz and Fox's Earth Two stories. Morcook definitely helped define the politics, and the scope of storytelling that guys like Morrison and Moore would use... These years long ongoing narratives that are both very personal and very (left wingishly) political. But I don't see Morrison - Or Moore, or Gaiman, or Ellis - "stealing" from Moorcock, at least in his American comics career. Side-note: Morrisondefinitely and purposefully ripped off Moorcock while writing for low-profile British comics written when he was, like, 19. Big whoop, says I. The 3 issues of the Invisibles (out of 59) that had Moorcock's panties in a twist were - at least according to Morrison - a definite and admitted pastiche of a mid 20th century British Sci-Fi writer... J. G. Ballard.* (Note: Not Moorcock.) And obviously the major authorial influence on the Invisibles as a whole was Robert Anton Wilson. But I've heard Morrison claim that the Matrix was a rip-off of the Invisibles and that is also - IMO - a load of horseshit. I didn't like the Matrix and I don't think much about the Matrix and I haven't seen the Matrix since I saw the first one in theaters, but wasn't that 99% Phillip K. Dick for dummies? My take-a-way from this is that British sci-ficomics writers in general have an inflated sense of their own importance. I could certainly live my whole life without reading another bitchy old-man-yells-at-cloud Alan Moore interview about how the younger generation is ripping him off. * I haven't read J. G. Ballard, though. So I can't judge the veracity of this claim.** Moorcock is an influence for Moore and Gaiman; but, Moorcock, himself, called out Morrison on his web page. To me, that carries a lot of weight that he went beyond and homage or pastiche; certainly is Moorcock's eyes. Personally, I'm not a big fan of Morrison's work. I like some of his material; but, it is very much "this and that" and not a large chunk. I also think he created this whole personna for the comic world that is mostly nonsense. A lot of the things I have read in interviews (magic rituals, psychedelic drugs, etc) sound like he was playing the interviewer, to sound like his literary heroes. I also think Alan Moore does that. I may be totally wrong; but, I just don't buy a lot of it. Now, by the same token, Moorcock said a bunch of things in interviews and essays that sound like a young turk trying to get attention. He's pretty harsh of Tolkien and both his Epic Pooh essay and some other statements fall, to me, in the outlandish realm. However, I tended to agree with some of his criticisms of Lord of the Rings and those of Robert E Howard's work, vs more mature work, like Fritz Leiber's Fafhrd and Gray Mouser.
|
|
|
Post by Roquefort Raider on May 6, 2018 12:02:14 GMT -5
Is it too late to say that I think Kordey's contribution to this run is far more to my taste than that of XXXXX ? Even setting aside the ridiculous deadline he had to face, I think his organic and gritty approach was far more interesting than a more typical super-heroic style where all characters are underwear models striking dramatic poses. I dont like Kordey's issues despite their short production time.... I like Kordey's issues because they have good art, period!
|
|
|
Post by rberman on May 6, 2018 13:39:46 GMT -5
Is it too late to say that I think Kordey's contribution to this run is far more to my taste than that of XXXXX? Even setting aside the ridiculous deadline he had to face, I think his organic and gritty approach was far more interesting than a more typical super-heroic style where all characters are underwear models striking dramatic poses. I dont like Kordey's issues despite their short production time.... I like Kordey's issues because they have good art, period! It's never too late to express opinions here, no matter how tardy or fringe! Kordey does fine with body posture and action scenes. But as I mention somewhere around here, he fails what's apparently considered a basic test among professional illustrators: Can he make attractive people look attractive? Not everyone has to look like an underwear model. Ugly looks right on Toad or Logan. But Jean is supposed to be a former fashion model, and Emma spent a million bucks to look like a million bucks. And when I see Kordey's versions of them, it doesn't seem like he's making an artistic statement about their circumstances or their inner states. It just looks like he can't draw attractive people properly. Now, in several issues, we'll get to Chris Bachalo's run on art, and he's quite stylized, but stays appropriate to the characters. (He also doesn't have occasion to draw any women's faces, so maybe he would have flunked that test too, dunno...)
|
|
|
Post by sabongero on May 6, 2018 14:17:35 GMT -5
New X-Men #131 “Some Angels Falling” (October 2002)
Meanwhile, Emma genuinely is helping Scott process the mental trauma of his possession experience, but she doesn’t know who to relate to a man non-sexually, so she drags him into her own drama. This would not end well even if he were unmarried, instead of being married to a creature of passion who’s been known to eat solar systems when enraged (or simply hungry). So it’s a double-entrendre of an issue title, referring both to Angel falling for Beak despite her emotional wounds, and the formerly angelic Scott falling for Emma because of his emotional wounds. (The funeral of Darkstar might allow even a third fallen angel in the mix, though we haven't seen enough of her to really miss her.) Morrison is in full-on soap opera mode here, but it’s effective, credible character development. Man I can't wait until the later issues, when they are really into to. And Emma's straining to keep the link of their psychic sexual connections, and the Stepford Cuckoos started noticing and found out about it. Then, letting Jean know, and Jean psychically walking in through the door finding Emma on top of Scott with her Dark Phoenix costume on, but about almost completely open in the front. That was hilarious.
|
|