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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 16, 2018 11:34:22 GMT -5
I ordered the two Two-In-Ones but skipped the Team-Up, I hope it won't be essential. Hmm, kind of odd to me. The second M2in1 appearance is, as noted above, smack dab in the middle of Project Pegasus - which is really an awesome story. Can't imagine just reading one installment of that. And the Marvel Team-up story may not mean much to the overall Deathlok saga, but it's part of a longer Spidey time-hopping arc which, as Reptisaurus observed, one of the highlights of Mantlo's run as writer on the title.
Heh, guess what I bought with that issue? Straight on to #66 actually (and already had #50 & 51). Oh I hope they are all matching newsstand copies like they were listed (in the title) as!  |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jun 16, 2018 14:19:51 GMT -5
Ah, yes. #s 50 and 51. Such great and, in the case of the latter, fun issues. Like I said upthread, you really can't go wrong with any of these M 2in1s from issue #50 to about 70 - best consecutive run of issues in the entire series in my opinion.
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Post by earl on Jul 11, 2020 23:34:48 GMT -5
Don't really know the X-men beyond mid 80s, did they every tie this era of Deathlok into the Days of Future Past storyline? It seems with the Sentinels and the Weapon X program that this would be some similar type of military group.
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Post by berkley on Jul 11, 2020 23:56:20 GMT -5
Deathlok's one of those characters that, much as I love them in their own setting or original series, I don't feel much interest in seeing them interact with the regular, superhero-centric MU - see also Killraven, Howard the Duck, Shang Chi, Dracula, and others.
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Post by brutalis on Jul 12, 2020 9:40:02 GMT -5
Deathlok's one of those characters that, much as I love them in their own setting or original series, I don't feel much interest in seeing them interact with the regular, superhero-centric MU - see also Killraven, Howard the Duck, Shang Chi, Dracula, and others. In total agreement! 'Lok works best being the loner, fighting the "established rules of control" being a spokesman for the disenfranchised and becoming the "noble" hero though he loathes all he is as he fights on in righteous fury. |
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Post by JakeB on Dec 27, 2023 6:22:16 GMT -5
I read a few random issues as a kid in the '70s and found it had great artwork (Buckler & Janson) but a baffling story.
I (re)read the whole thing a few months ago and found it had great artwork (Buckler & Janson) but a baffling story.
There are some good ideas here, wonderful character design, great character dynamics between Manning and 'puter, but the storytelling is hopelessly convoluted, confused, and increasingly directionless.
It's still worth reading as a noble failure.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 27, 2023 7:06:17 GMT -5
I read a few random issues as a kid in the '70s and found it had great artwork (Buckler & Janson) but a baffling story. I (re)read the whole thing a few months ago and found it had great artwork (Buckler & Janson) but a baffling story. There are some good ideas here, wonderful character design, great character dynamics between Manning and 'puter, but the storytelling is hopelessly convoluted, confused, and increasingly directionless. It's still worth reading as a noble failure. Welcome to the forum, jakeb . There are more than a few artists that are not good writers. Buckler and Neal Adams come to mind. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 27, 2023 22:16:44 GMT -5
The Doug Moench issues are by far the best and most coherent, though Buckler creates some confusion by not obviously framing flashbacks in a way that set them apart from the part of the story in the present. You had to really pay attention to notice a slightly different panel border, that led into the flashback; but, other past panels might look exactly like the present action. I also think it hurt that there was no destination in mind, for the story.
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Post by berkley on Dec 28, 2023 0:47:18 GMT -5
I haven't re-read it for years but I remember liking it very much at the time. Possibly the concept and the artwork were enough for me that I didn't mind if the story was confusing or directionless - though actually I don't recall getting that feeling at the time; but everyone seems to agree so I'll take their word for it. Moench's name in the credits may have persuaded me that it would eventually come together, because I had confidence in his abilities as a storyteller, even if he was just the scripter in this case with Buckler plotting (or trying to? I'll have to read it again to see how I feel).
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Post by spoon on Dec 28, 2023 1:40:27 GMT -5
Here's my post from the Read Lately thread where I noted the messiness of the plotting and how confusing it was to figure out when flashbacks are occurring: classiccomics.org/post/415653/threadOr just to paste the key part: "I've been reading the Deathlok the Demolisher: The Complete Collection TPB, reprinting the 1970s and 1980s appearances of the original Deathlok. So far, I've read Astonishing Tales #25-28, 30-32. In most issues, Rich Buckler is credited with both the plot and art, with other writers just handling the scripting. In my opinion, Buckler could've really used a co-plotter. The character of Deathlok and the basic concepts of the series are intriguing. But the progression of the plot is often confusing and sprinkled with coincidences. Sometimes it moves between events currently happening and flashbacks without making the transitions clear. It's often unclear who is who, and how Deathlok decides to go to different places. He seems to just coincidentally run into people. The city seems largely devoid of non-combatants. It would be nice if there was explanation for this." |
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