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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 29, 2018 22:47:33 GMT -5
There are so many of these Kickstarters and FundMes, there was one for reprinting the Silver Metal Lover graphic novel(la) Trina worked on and which I hold in high esteem, but I'm just not sure about any of them if I already have the original(s)... I did support one to collect up a bunch of Pete Ham (of Badfinger) demos being a fan of his work and was thrilled with the finished project. I remember buying Aztec Ace and Zot for quite awhile, the seemed to have been started about the same time. Also Eclipse Monthly and DNAgents. Eclipse was looking like the number three company then for awhile! Certainly in terms of breadth and quality, though Fist Comics was closer in sales, with some serious superstar titles, like Jon Sable, Grimjack, Lone Wolf & Cub, the Moorcock stuff, American Flagg (though that started waning after the first year), Nexus, Badger and Whisper. If Eclipse had had the more stable leadership and business model that Dark Horse had, they'd still be around. That flood they had in 1987 really crippled them, and they never recovered. Since a lot of their revenue came from back issue sales and they lost over 2/3 of their stock in the flooding, their cash flow was mortally wounded. Then, they were in a bad trade publishing partnership with Harpercollins, which further crippled them (Thank you Rupert Murdoch!).
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 30, 2018 12:36:16 GMT -5
Yes, the Guerneville flood was quite a big event. Apparently I was lucky to get my copy of 'Women And The Comics' as a lot of the stock for it was ruined. Eclipse absorbed a lot of Pacific titles when they bowed out kind of as First absorbed the Capital titles. First/Capital was more mainstream oriented I guess, I did buy a lot of the earliest ones and Jon Sable probably the longest. I remember hearing about Dark Horse when it started in Beaverton, OR, it being initially funded with credit cards? Pretty risky if you didn't know what you were doing or know the distribution system pretty intimately as far as getting paid in time. They've gone on to do very well; a great operation with Osamu Tezuka collections, Star Wars, Beanworld, Go Girl, launched Concrete and I think The Mask...
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 30, 2018 22:09:48 GMT -5
Yes, the Guerneville flood was quite a big event. Apparently I was lucky to get my copy of 'Women And The Comics' as a lot of the stock for it was ruined. Eclipse absorbed a lot of Pacific titles when they bowed out kind of as First absorbed the Capital titles. First/Capital was more mainstream oriented I guess, I did buy a lot of the earliest ones and Jon Sable probably the longest. I remember hearing about Dark Horse when it started in Beaverton, OR, it being initially funded with credit cards? Pretty risky if you didn't know what you were doing or know the distribution system pretty intimately as far as getting paid in time. They've gone on to do very well; a great operation with Osamu Tezuka collections, Star Wars, Beanworld, Go Girl, launched Concrete and I think The Mask... Mike Richardson had been pretty involved in the retail/distribution side. He started his first store with a credit card, with a $2500 limit, then built that to a chain of eleven stores, before starting the publishing side. He was smart to start with black & white and push a real alternative and the initial issue of DHP sold 50,000 copies, on a break even of 10,000. He attracted a lot of talent early, with creative ownership. Once he put out that first Aliens mini, he had a massive hit on his hand. Then, getting Byrne, Miller, and Mignola to do stuff with them brought the fanboys along; not to mention the speculators. The closest I thought Dark Horse got to getting themselves in trouble was when they launched the Comics Greatest World line. A lot of it was pretty derivative and fairly average; but, he had enough hits within it (X, Ghost, Barb Wire) to cover the others. Plus, Aliens and Predator were doing big business and Star Wars was doing well, with revival fever. On top of it, they got some serious cash for movie options, which went into the business. That was the other thing; it appeared that he put the profits into the company, rather than skimming the lion's share off the top (at least, that's how it appeared from the outside). Eclipse had problems with the Mulaney brothers, who I've heard some stories about some questionable behaviors. Cat Yronwode could be Jekyll and Hyde, which caused issues with creators. It sounded like things kind of went with big highs and lows there. I covered Eclipse in my Other Guys thread and I had a ton of material from them, both comics and graphic novels; and, later, scans. Just a treasure trove of material. I've been holding off on Dark Horse, since they are still going. I have to get around to doing the A Distant Soil review, then I plan on going into Image, then Star*Reach, then, maybe, Dark Horse.
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Post by Trevor on Jul 28, 2018 19:30:54 GMT -5
I remember buying Aztec Ace and Zot for quite awhile, the seemed to have been started about the same time. Also Eclipse Monthly and DNAgents. Eclipse was looking like the number three company then for awhile! Number three behind First and Comico. Backed, looking forward to finally reading the entire Aztec Ace story.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 28, 2018 22:28:18 GMT -5
I remember buying Aztec Ace and Zot for quite awhile, the seemed to have been started about the same time. Also Eclipse Monthly and DNAgents. Eclipse was looking like the number three company then for awhile! Number three behind First and Comico. Backed, looking forward to finally reading the entire Aztec Ace story. Oh, I'd put Eclipse ahead of Comico. Eclipse had such a breadth in their material and just a really nice visual mix. Comico had a lot of great material and some very good; but, there was some real turbulence there and they only had a couple of really good years. Eclipse had ten really good years, before the wheels came off and they stayed in the fight until the end. Comico went downhill fast after the fiasco of trying to sell on newsstands and with behind-the-scenes turmoil. First was spectacular until DC lured away (or back) most of their top creators. The Classics Illustrated revival was doomed to failure, despite some really nice work on the series.
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Post by Trevor on Jul 29, 2018 6:30:57 GMT -5
^ I was just making a reference to them behind better than DC and Marvel. Not sure how I’d do a ranking of all the companies.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 29, 2018 10:09:17 GMT -5
Loved all those companies mentioned here.
I really admire Dark Horse (what an appropriate name), especially after losing Star Wars.
They always remind me of the modern-day Dell, with their licensed properties and diversity.
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