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Post by rberman on Jun 1, 2018 8:49:48 GMT -5
What rough boundaries would you give for the transition between the different eras of comic book publication? Is there an age (Dark, or Image, or something else) between Bronze and Modern, in your estimation?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 1, 2018 11:30:36 GMT -5
I've heard people refer to the period of the early 90s as both the 'Image Era' and the 'Dark Age'... I would definitely date it to the founding of Image...the end of said era would be maybe... Heroes Return?
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 1, 2018 12:46:12 GMT -5
Gold is said to, more or less, end with the beginning of the 50s; definitely by the Kefauver Hearings. Silver kind of picks up there, with either the debut of Martian Manhunter or the Flash, depending on point of view. It is said to end around 1970, with the Death of Gwen Stacy and the Green Lantern/Green Arrow stories as kind of a demarcation. Bronze is one that has been argued and changed, quite a bit. It picks up from silver; but, it used to be said to end with the beginning of the 80s and that the Modern Age began there. Later, it stretched further into the 80s. Modern Age was in use by the late 80s, post-Dark Knight and Crisis. In the 90s, people started bandying about terms for the speculator frenzy going on, with the companies replying with pointless gimmicks; but, most of that was criticism of the phenomena, rather than trying to define the era of storytelling. Modern Age kind of continued to be in use, into the New Millennium.
The 50s, 70s and 90s are all big transitional periods, when you think about it. With the war over, the superheroes kind of die off (or at least the herd is culled) and comics focus on other genres more. By the 60s, with the Space Race and the sense of optimism, heroes are given a go, again. By the mid-60s, they have taken over. The 70s saw a big transition in how comics are bought and sold, which did much to alter publishing. Things weren't selling, so companies experimented, trying to find an audience. meanwhile, an alternative market had been growing and that became a saving force, which allowed the Big Two to better market to a specific audience, while also creating a playground for other companies to present alternative material. By the 90s, the Big Two were squeezing the little guys off the stands and speculators were dominating the market. A lot of the indies ran into cash flow problems and started shutting down, while comic shops over-extended and went bust. Marvel touched off a distribution war that killed even more indies and comic shops, as well as Capital Distribution, which was always more supportive of smaller companies. It also led to Marvel's bankruptcy.
Really, I think it is probably better to look at each decade of comics, when discussing patterns of publishing and buying, as most seem to last about 10 years, with a bit of overlap.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 1, 2018 12:59:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure how useful the "Ages" demarcations are for actual study of comics. In practice they tend to focus almost solely on superhero comics and with the possible exception of the earliest comics on DC and Marvel.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 13:22:13 GMT -5
IMO the Golden Age was 1938-1948. Then Atomic Age 1948-1956. The Silver Age in 1956-1969. Then the Bronze age 1970-1985. Beyond 1986 I have no idea...modern, copper, etc.
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Post by brutalis on Jun 1, 2018 14:14:42 GMT -5
Bronze age is when you first discover comic books. Silver Age is when in reading comics you begin to truly search out particular series/writers/artists. Modern Age is when you can afford to purchase any current issues you wish and are reading any and every comic book you wish to or want to read. Golden Age is when you can afford and spend on seeking out back issues and omnibus and TPB's that are costly/expensive and you don't care because you MUST and/or WANT to have them no matter the cost! The Senility Age is when you can't remember having bought the same damn issue 27 times before and you just paid for another one. Also this is when you can read a story today, forget it this afternoon and read it again tomorrow. Every issue is a new issue!
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 1, 2018 16:34:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure how useful the "Ages" demarcations are for actual study of comics. In practice they tend to focus almost solely on superhero comics and with the possible exception of the earliest comics on DC and Marvel. This is where I'm at, too. The terms are useful shorthand in a general discussion but meaningless when you get into the details. As a comics historian who has delved deep into the comics of the 1940s, I can tell you straight up that very few Golden Age comics are golden (or even any damn good). I'd be perfectly happy if fandom stopped using them altogether.
Cei-U! My advice to rberman? Fugedaboudit!
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Post by rberman on Jun 1, 2018 16:59:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure how useful the "Ages" demarcations are for actual study of comics. In practice they tend to focus almost solely on superhero comics and with the possible exception of the earliest comics on DC and Marvel. This is where I'm at, too. The terms are useful shorthand in a general discussion but meaningless when you get into the details. As a comics historian who has delved deep into the comics of the 1940s, I can tell you straight up that very few Golden Age comics are golden (or even any damn good). I'd be perfectly happy if fandom stopped using them altogether.
Cei-U! My advice to rberman? Fugedaboudit!
Or...turning the opening post in a different direction... when was/is the true "Golden Age of Comic Books"?
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 1, 2018 21:35:50 GMT -5
...turning the opening post in a different direction... when was/is the true "Golden Age of Comic Books"? For me it was 14.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 21:58:12 GMT -5
This stuff talking about the ages of Comic Book Eras -- isn't that important to me anymore and I'm at the point of my life consider the starting point and the ending point of these eras is irrelevant and sometimes meaningless to bring up and what md62 posted earlier in this thread is what I've used to go by for that information. I've never, ever heard the Atomic Age at all ... and after the Bronze Age is over ... I've started to not paying attention to it and simply cared less about it in retrospect and that's how I've sliced it.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 1, 2018 23:35:05 GMT -5
This is where I'm at, too. The terms are useful shorthand in a general discussion but meaningless when you get into the details. As a comics historian who has delved deep into the comics of the 1940s, I can tell you straight up that very few Golden Age comics are golden (or even any damn good). I'd be perfectly happy if fandom stopped using them altogether.
Cei-U! My advice to rberman? Fugedaboudit!
Or...turning the opening post in a different direction... when was/is the true "Golden Age of Comic Books"? My view would be whatever era carries the most meaning for you, whether it is a greater love of the stories, or more material that appeared, or whatever meant the most to you. For me, That would be from around 1978/79 to about 1998. That was when I was earning my own money and able to read and collect comics in greater breadth and quantity. For sheer love of the material, it would be from about 1985 to 1996. That was my peak period for new material and experimentation with indie comics. I always read anything I could get my hands on; but, was mostly reading adventure material, by the 80s. Once I got to college and had regular access to a decent comic shop, I started to explore all kinds of comics. It happened to coincide with the independent boom and with the DC Renaissance, where they built on the success of New Teen Titans and Legion of Superheroes, Crisis and Dark Knight and Swamp Thing. They really built and built, creating a new image and a new vitality. Marvel, for me, at the time, was more staying the course. 1986 was a real watershed year for everyone, with indie comics starting up left and right (many in response to the TMNT), DC really catching fire, and Marvel in strong overall position. There was such a wealth of really good material out there and not just superheroes.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jun 2, 2018 3:50:36 GMT -5
Well, some of you came close to the *real* Golden Age, but it was in fact from somewhere in mid-1975 to 1984 or thereabouts, with 1979 through 1982 as the peak years... Otherwise, I think Cei-U! answered the original question perfectly, i.e. the Golden, Silver, Bronze etc. terms are a useful shorthand and nothing else, because 1) they're pretty much only used by fans of super-hero comics, and 2) and even in that subset, there's no agreement on the actual demarcations between the supposed ages.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 2, 2018 9:55:50 GMT -5
This is where I'm at, too. The terms are useful shorthand in a general discussion but meaningless when you get into the details. As a comics historian who has delved deep into the comics of the 1940s, I can tell you straight up that very few Golden Age comics are golden (or even any damn good). I'd be perfectly happy if fandom stopped using them altogether.
Cei-U! My advice to rberman? Fugedaboudit!
Or...turning the opening post in a different direction... when was/is the true "Golden Age of Comic Books"? Right now. With classic comics from every era being collected in both affordable and deluxe editions, comic book characters dominating pop culture, and a rich, thriving, diverse indy scene, there has never been a better time to be a comics fan.
Cei-U! I summon the four-color utopia!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 2, 2018 10:31:11 GMT -5
Or...turning the opening post in a different direction... when was/is the true "Golden Age of Comic Books"? Right now. With classic comics from every era being collected in both affordable and deluxe editions, comic book characters dominating pop culture, and a rich, thriving, diverse indy scene, there has never been a better time to be a comics fan.
Cei-U! I summon the four-color utopia!
I'd be hard pressed not to agree with this. There has very clearly never been a better time to be a comic strip fan. Classic comic books are available in a variety of formats at great prices. With books as diverse and high quality as Southern Bastards, Snagglepuss, Black Hammer, Incognegro, I Hate Fairyland and The Fade Out (to name a few) there's more variety than there has ever been. Add to that the sheer volume of books and magazines on comics history that are available (I'm reading a scholarly biography of George Herriman for goodness sake) and the fact that some (crazy) people are complaining that there are too many superhero movies, and right now is about as good as I could imagine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 12:20:36 GMT -5
The golden age of comics for any fan is the period before their unrealistic expectations and selective memory have clouded their perceptions of reality and they became bitter and jaded about new material as opposed to the stuff from "back in the day" when they first discovered comics. It the era where their perception of the positives outweighs the reality of that time so the negatives are ignored, and before their negative perceptions (based on their unrealistic bias-fueled perception) dominate any potential positives of the material then being produced.
A lot depends on whether they are a neophile or a neophobe. Some look on anything new with dread and prefer the old (neophobe) and it is their golden age, but there are a fair number (not usually to be found on a board focused on classics) who cannot abide the old and gravitate towards what is new and different (neophile).
For those who have passed the tipping point where they have become jaded (i.e. their golden age had ended), the time frame of what is "good" i.e. the golden age, and what is "bad" i.e. the post-golden age when they see comics as having changed to something they don't like in its current and later forms, varies depending on when they first discovered comics. It' entirely subjective based on each individual's tastes, perceptions, experience and bias.
As for me, I lean towards agreeing with Slam and Cei-U, there's no better time than now to be a comic fan in terms of the availability of content and the variety of material being produced, but also in the ease of access in hunting down older material if that is your inclination with the proliferation of cons, online sellers, digital sales, trades, etc.
-M
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