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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 11:56:59 GMT -5
Absolutely fine! I'll give each post in the original thread a proper read and add some thoughts if any come to mind!
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Post by shaxper on Mar 21, 2019 12:06:20 GMT -5
When did the modern age start? Seems like it might be the longest age since it started around 1990. Maybe someone should refer to 1990-2000 as the speculator age. Mostly agreed. The early signs of the speculator age were in place as early as 1986, when Man of Steel #1 got the world's first variant cover, but I consider 1994 a more clear turning point for the industry, as this is when MANY comic fans abandoned the market in response to excessive hype and over-saturation. From 1995 onward, the industry is in a constant state of panic, attempting to recapture sales while experts wring their hands and cry that the medium is on its way out. So my personal breakdown goes as follows: Golden Age: 1938-1945 The early success of the superhero genre Atom Age: 1946-1955 The end of the war marks a serious decline in interest in superheroes, and other genres rise in popularity. Silver Age: 1956-1969The return of the superhero, first at DC, and then the Marvel renaissance Bronze Age: 1970-1984Superheroes go deeper, take on more daring topics, and explore more extensive continuity and sweeping story arcs. Copper Age: 1985-1994The rise of the direct market changes EVERYTHING. Both Crisis on Infinite Earths and Secret Wars forever change DC and Marvel, both for better and worse. Modern Age: 1995 to currentThe comic industry suffers a slow and lingering half-death. Comics cease to be a mainstream medium, servicing a smaller niche clientele. One could argue this era should begin with 1997 and the death of Hero World, I suppose.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 21, 2019 12:34:28 GMT -5
All posts from the "various comic ages" thread have been merged into this existing one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 12:54:19 GMT -5
Well, I've learnt something new. Can honestly say I had never come across "Atomic Age" or "Copper Age" as designations previously.
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Post by beccabear67 on Mar 21, 2019 13:04:25 GMT -5
There was also a name for before the first comic books... those card paper covered strip reprint collections ,and also the first comic book sized/four color/newsprint/mostly strip reprint collections like Famous Funnies and New Fun.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 21, 2019 13:19:31 GMT -5
There was also a name for before the first comic books... those card paper covered strip reprint collections ,and also the first comic book sized/four color/newsprint/mostly strip reprint collections like Famous Funnies and New Fun. Are you referring to the Platinum Age?
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Post by Duragizer on Mar 21, 2019 14:26:45 GMT -5
- Platinum Age (1897-1938)
- Golden Age (1938-1945)
- Atom Age (1945-1956)
- Silver Age (1956-1971)
- Bronze Age (1971-1986)
- Copper Age (1986-1991)
- Dark Age (1991-2000)
- Modern Age (2000-present)
Basically how I break it up (my inner pedant thinks the Atom Age should be renamed the Electrum Age, though).
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Post by shaxper on Mar 21, 2019 14:38:11 GMT -5
- Platinum Age (1897-1938)
- Golden Age (1938-1945)
- Atom Age (1945-1956)
- Silver Age (1956-1971)
- Bronze Age (1971-1986)
- Copper Age (1986-1991)
- Dark Age (1991-2000)
- Modern Age (2000-present)
I generally agree. Just curious about the Dark Age -- both the name and the years you chose.
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Post by MDG on Mar 21, 2019 14:39:19 GMT -5
I think we're at the cusp of another break--it's kind've already happened--where DC and Marvel are "character companies" that tangentially publish comics, and "comics" is happening other places.
Maybe it can be called the "'bout frikkin' time age."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 14:55:34 GMT -5
I've stopped using Ages and simply refer to it as comics from the 30s, comics from the 40s, comics from the 90s etc. if I want to reference a certain era. There are very few common threads to the traditional eras outside of time/publishing era if you move outside of the genre of American super-hero comics, so why not directly refer to the time period you are trying to reference instead of vague terms where people quibble over the beginning and end of because they try to take characteristics of super-hero comics from that time and apply them to other genres and it just doesn't work.
What is a Golden Age comic? Is there common characteristics between what was being published in Detective Comics and Dell's Four Color (and others that can define the parameters of what a Golden Age book is, or is it just books from the 30s and 40s? If the latter, why use Golden Age at all and just call them comics form the 30s and 40s and save a lot of confusion and useless debate?
-M
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 14:57:30 GMT -5
I am gonna try and do that!
As I stated in my post, I can't help but think of Olympic medals/metal investment. I probably have more chance of coming across a successful gold investor than a bronze investor. And an Olympic gold medallist is more successful than a silver medallist. Silver Age of Comics and Bronze Age of Comics implies, perhaps subconsciously, that comics from those eras are inferior to Golden Age comics.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 15:05:22 GMT -5
I am gonna try and do that! As I stated in my post, I can't help but think of Olympic medals/metal investment. I probably have more chance of coming across a successful gold investor than a bronze investor. And an Olympic gold medallist is more successful than a silver medallist. Silver Age of Comics and Bronze Age of Comics implies, perhaps subconsciously, that comics from those eras are inferior to Golden Age comics. I think the rationale behind the original use came from the ages of man in Greek thought (I want to say it was Hesiod but it's been so long since I have worked with classical stuff my memories have clouded) and it always seemed to me a weak attempt at legitimizing comics and validating those who collected them by fancying it up with those classical allusions. I remember reading my first Overstreet and the article that tried to define the eras and thinking it sounded like a lot of pretentious twaddle to try to justify you liked old comic books and thought they held some monetary value. -M
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Post by Duragizer on Mar 21, 2019 15:16:43 GMT -5
- Platinum Age (1897-1938)
- Golden Age (1938-1945)
- Atom Age (1945-1956)
- Silver Age (1956-1971)
- Bronze Age (1971-1986)
- Copper Age (1986-1991)
- Dark Age (1991-2000)
- Modern Age (2000-present)
I generally agree. Just curious about the Dark Age -- both the name and the years you chose. Basically the less-than-creatively-robust time when artists like Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld became popular, Image arrived on the scene, gimmicky storylines like Knightfall, Death of Superman, Emerald Twilight, the Clone Saga, et al. were released, and the speculator boom happened. It probably ended sooner than 2000, but the line dividing the Dark and Modern Ages is so hazy that I just use the beginning of the noughties as the demarcation point.
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Post by Duragizer on Mar 21, 2019 15:18:26 GMT -5
I think we're at the cusp of another break--it's kind've already happened--where DC and Marvel are "character companies" that tangentially publish comics, and "comics" is happening other places. Maybe it can be called the "'bout frikkin' time age." I nominate "the Postmodern Age".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 15:22:09 GMT -5
Atom and Copper Ages are new to me ... and face it members and guests ... I feel that the Atom Age should be more part of the Golden Age of Comics. Platinum is okay, but the Golden Age got the Superheroes up and running and the Silver Age is the revival of it. I consider both Golden and Silver Ages are the most important ages in Comic Books Histories.
I refuse to read any book in the Dark and Modern Era of Comics because they have no value to me personally except DC's Hawkman, The Terrifics, and Hanna Barbera Comics featuring the Herculoids and Space Ghost. I'm a fan of Dynamite Entertainment Comics and I read about half of their titles on an infrequent basis. I don't read Marvel Comics anymore after 1991.
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