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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 15:46:33 GMT -5
Great Reviews -- but my Store don't carry New Avengers when it's came out -- the reason for that the owner of the store did not like Brian Michael Bendis for reasons that I've still today can't remember why he did not like him at all.
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Post by hasan459 on Aug 10, 2018 14:06:00 GMT -5
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Post by sabongero on Aug 27, 2019 12:15:28 GMT -5
Great Reviews -- but my Store don't carry New Avengers when it's came out -- the reason for that the owner of the store did not like Brian Michael Bendis for reasons that I've still today can't remember why he did not like him at all. Thanks. Well Bendis is a polarizing writer, either people loved his work, or they hated it. He's not for everyone.
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Post by sabongero on Aug 27, 2019 12:16:20 GMT -5
New Avengers #6Breakout! Part 6 (of 6) June 2005 Writer: Brian Michael Bendis Penciler: David Finch Inker: Danny Miki Colorist: Frank D'Armata Letterer: Richard Starkings & Albert Dechesne Editor: Tom Brevoort, Stephanie Moore, Molly Lazer, Andy Schmidt Editor-in-Chief: Joe Quesada Previously... During Chaos, the Scarlet Witch suffered a total nervous breakdown after losing control of her reality-altering powers. As a result The Avengers were damaged beyond repair and they disbanded in Avengers Disassembled. This was about several months before. Now... The newly formed New Avengers (Spider-Man, Captain America, Iron Man, Luke Cage and Spider-Woman) tracked down Electro to find out who hired him to carry out the greatest super-villain breakout in history. Their informants lead them to The Savage Land, and the name Karl Lycos/Sauron. After meeting Wolverine, they are captured by Sauron’s associates, the Savage Land mutants. After escaping Sauron’s lair, the New Avengers fought Sauron’s mutants and were interrupted by a S.H.I.E.L.D. battalion who were ordered to take out all witnesses... the New Avengers included! Synopsis: Yelena Belova, the “other” Black Widow who was leading the battalion, fired on the New Avengers but was quickly taken out by Wolverine. When Spider-Woman questioned Yelena, she learned that they worked for the same group of people. They were interrupted by Sauron who absorbed some of Wolverine’s healing ability to survive the bullet to the head. His fire-breath set Yelena alight and she ran off screaming while the New Avengers took him down. They then discovered S.H.I.E.L.D. enslaved the mutants in order to stockpile the substance needed for super-weapons, vibranium, in an illegal mining operation. The New Avengers charged in but the site was suddenly bombed! Iron Man’s shields saved the group from death, but all the evidence was obliterated. On cue, the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier appeared. After listening to some S.H.I.E.L.D. excuses about their solution to the problem, the New Avengers learned (through The Raft’s prison files and the old Avengers computers) that the insider who was stockpiling vibranium is stockpiling powered criminals as well. After a debate with Captain America, Tony Stark invited Wolverine to join the group. In a hospital bed, an unknown voice asked a scarred and bandaged Yelena if she was interested in revenge. She replied... yes. Highlight: The mystery of Yelena Belova! I am not familiar with this particular Black Widow. Comments: I was worried about things being tied-up at the close of this arc. Thankfully, they were not at all. Things that have been resolved (Wolverine’s entry into the group, Sauron’s involvement and the establishment of an incredibly tense relationship with S.H.I.E.L.D.) were completely outweighed by that which has been blown wide open. Bendis left the readers with the anonymous voice(s). Where the group goes from here on, further conflicted with S.H.I.E.L.D. over matters of their investigations and methods, where the vibranuim was going, and who the missing criminals were and what their purpose was, and the biggest head-scratcher of all – Yelena Belova. She appeared from no-where, does not have a well-known history and (and this is the important bit) told Jessica that they worked for the same group of people. Now I originally thought, ‘yeah, S.H.I.E.L.D. Duh!’. But looking back and again at Jessica Drew’s expression and silence, Yelena worked for the same voice that we heard at the end of issue #2 which was talking to Jessica. Now that was brilliant and spiked my interest to a new level. Another highlight is the conversation between Iron Man and Captain America. I am not an Avengers buff, but this seemed the perfect way to explain Wolverine’s invitation and the two came across as the veterans that they are. On the other hand, Bendis's Spider-Man was getting too eccentric, while Luke Cage needed more to say in this issue. His attitude and personality did not really come across in this issue. Also, I love the last two pages – Avenging and Revenging. For me, Finch did not quite pull out all of the stops. His emotion and expression seemed to be getting better, particularly in Jessica Drew. But his Iron Man was a little inconsistent (differing head shape) and the panel with the New Avengers avoiding the S.H.I.E.L.D. bullets seemed a bit out of symmetry, and everyone looked physically impossible in a way. Jessica’s arms and Cap’s arm/shield looked out of symmetry. His explosive sequence is second to none though. The only person I have seen come close to this level of detail and movement is Hitch (on the brilliant The Ultimates limited series). His cover was superb! It really does have everything and everyone on it!
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Post by sabongero on Aug 29, 2019 18:58:25 GMT -5
New Avengers #7July 2005 Writer: Brian Michael Bendis Penciler: Steve McNiven Inker: Mark Morales Colorist: Morry Hollowell Letterer: Richard Starkings & Albert Dechesne Editor: Tom Brevoort, Stephanie Moore, Molly Lazer, Andy Schmidt Editor-in-Chief: Joe Quesada "The Sentry: Part 1" Previously... The newly formed New Avengers (Spider-Man, Captain America, Iron Man, Luke Cage and Spider-Woman) tracked down Electro to find out who hired him to carry out the greatest super-hero breakout in history. Their informants led them to The Savage Land and the name Karl Lycos/Sauron. After meeting Wolverine, they are captured by Sauron’s associates, the Savage Land mutants. After escaping Sauron’s lair, the New Avengers discover an illegal vibranium mining operation run by a rogue S.H.I.E.L.D. branch, headed by Yelena Belova, the new Black Widow. The S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier then arrived and bombed the entire site. The New Avengers barely escaped with their lives. Back in New York, escaped villains remained at large and the New Avengers have to face the dark underbelly of S.H.I.E.L.D. Synopsis: Iron Man met with Doctor Strange, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, Black Bolt (Monarch of the Inhumans), and Prince Namor to discuss the New Avengers and a bigger problem, The Sentry. Over in Long Island, Dirk Garthwaite (aka The Wrecker, leader of The Wrecking Crew) interrupted a girl sunbathing. Demanding his “stuff” back, the terrified girl led him inside to her father’s collection of super-villain costumes. The Wrecker put his stuff on, grabbed his crowbar and forced the girl to drive him somewhere. They didn't get very far as the driveway was blocked by Wolverine, Luke Cage, Spider-Woman and Spider-Man. They all attacked but were unsuccessful in taking down The Wrecker. The Wrecker managed to throw Cage into a car, catapult Spider-Man miles away with his webbing, and hurled Wolverine away from the scen,e leaving him staring down Spider-Woman who was now completely on her own. Meanwhile, in the Nevada Desert, Iron Man and Captain America approached the cave in which The Sentry huddled. The Sentry feared The Void, who killed his wife. But Iron Man brought The Sentry’s wife forward (very much alive) and Paul Jenkins, the man who created The Sentry, a comic book character. Highlight: The double cliffhanger at the end, and obviously... Steve McNiven's phenomenal art! Comments: Anyone confused by the last couple of pages has fallen under Bendis's trap. When Paul Jenkins showed up I was surprised. I thought there was no explaining this “crossover” (for want of a better word) into the real, comic book writing world in which Paul Jenkins (beloved Spectacular Spider-Man writer) really did create the Sentry character. It was this, and not the fact that his dead wife is back and that we don’t know who The Sentry actually is, and that surprised me. That was the designed effect and Bendis does pull it off with extreme style and form, literally, from no-where! But thinking about it logically, Paul Jenkins is just a character here. His name and his creation of The Sentry character is identical to his real counterpart meant nothing. What is important is that this character, that Bendis has created, called Paul Jenkins, is not real and is bound to the physical rules of the comic book world. Bendis’ Paul Jenkins could be a secret agent, an actor, an evil genius who has created The Sentry using his creative imagination. We just don’t know, but the edge is rounded off when you get over the similarities between fact and fiction. This explanation is not designed to take anything away from the issue. In fact, this is one of the best issues Bendis has produced. The dialogue is sharp, there is not a panel or a page wasted and the continuation of The Raft breakout gives a nice sense of tying the last arc to this one. And at last The New Avengers have some real action for us to sink our teeth into! The Wrecker is someone I am not too familiar with, but Bendis filled us in quickly with the shouting about Thor, the power he gained when he put his costume back on and the way he goes about his business. I found myself sadly laughing at the way Bendis wrote him as a traditional villain in a new world. The comments from Spider-Man, and the fact that the bikini girl has no idea who The Wrecker was, showed this beautifully. In fact, this scene (and a very fast, well-crafted scene it is) is one of the best action sequences I have read/seen in a while. This is partly due to the fact that Steve McNiven produced some of the most detailed, crisp and stunningly lively pencils I have ever seen! I continue to be blown away by the visuals within this issue every time I look at it. From the way he chucked the heroes around to the looming pose of The Wrecker over the stunning Spider-Woman and the simple-yet-perfect depiction of Iron Man to the gorgeous bikini girl and her expressions, everything makes me just felt awed. The cover is the only thing that lets this issue down. At the time, no-one knew who Ronin was, Cage is not there and the blue background is very garish. However, Spider-Woman, so poorly drawn by Finch on the cover of #4, is definitely "banging"! This issue kicks it all off and Bendis has hit his stride. The New Avengers are formed and now fighting! I simply can’t wait for the next one!
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Post by sabongero on Sept 18, 2019 9:00:51 GMT -5
New Avengers #8August 2005 Writer: Brian Michael Bendis Penciler: Steve McNiven Inker: Mark Morales Colorist: Morry Hollowell Letterer: Richard Starkings & Albert Dechesne Editor: Tom Brevoort, Aubrey Sitterson, Molly Lazer, Andy Schmidt Editor-in-Chief: Joe Quesada "The Sentry: Part 2" Previously: Tony Stark met with Charles Xavier, Reed Richards, Dr. Strange, Black Bolt, and Prince Namor to discuss the forming of the New Avengers and the problem surrounding The Sentry. Meanwhile, Spider-Woman, Spider-Man, Wolverine and Luke Cage traveled to Long Island to bring in The Wrecker (an escapee from Breakout). They get their butts handed to them and eventually Spider-Woman was the only one standing between The Wrecker and freedom. In the Nevada Desert, Iron Man and Captain America traveled to a S.H.I.E.L.D. controlled area, where they found The Sentry in a cave. They introduced him to his believed-dead wife and comic book creator Paul Jenkins, the man who created the character, The Sentry. This character was the only proof on Earth that a being known as The Sentry even existed. Synopsis: In Nevada, The Sentry (Robert Reynolds) read the comic book about The Sentry. Captain America told him that he knew he was real but they were here to help him connect the dots between their reality and his existence. One week ago, on the S.H.I.E.L.D. Hellicarrier (taking place after issue #6), Tony Stark talked to Wolverine about joining the New Avengers and how it might help him to redeem himself after the recent events of "Enemy of the State" (on issues of Wolverine #25-#30). In the end Tony Stark made Wolverine an offer. Back in Long Island, Spider-Woman told The Wrecker that she just wanted to help him. Back in Nevada, The Sentry freaked out and vanished in a flash of blinding light. Elsewhere, he woke up, made toast and watched television. In Long Island, Spider-Woman distracted The Wrecker long enough for the team to re-group and succeed in beating and packaging him up for a S.H.I.E.L.D. crew. Spider-Woman explained that she produced a pheromone that made things attracted to her, that was why The Wrecker was listening to her. This explanation was all the three male Avengers needed to quell their guilt. They were then all called to Connecticut where The Fantastic Four, The New Avengers, The Astonishing X-Men, Dr. Strange, The Thunderbolts, and the S.H.I.E.L.D. Hellicarrier all confronted Mr Reynolds. From behind them, The Void arrived. Highlight: The Spider-Woman revelation: "You release a pheromone?! I mean, I love my wife." Comments: I'm slightly confused and it was appealing. I have no idea who The Sentry or Robert Reynolds was. Bendis sometimes let me down in his Ultimate Spider-Man series with the mini non-developments in an arc that lasted 7 issues but could last in much less. Here the clues actually left me wanting more. But that’s all they are, clues. I really couldn't explain any of it, nor do I want to even attempt It was nice to see a couple of flashbacks. I felt robbed when the conversation on the S.H.I.E.L.D. Hellicarrier in issue #6 was not completed and am glad to see the kind of inspirational speeches and teamwork, that a group like the Avengers should have been built upon, appeared once again. The mention of the events in Wolverine (one of the most blistering stories ever weaved by Mark Millar and John Romita Jr) brilliantly tied the Marvel universe together while it creatied a rather interesting relationship between Tony Stark and Wolverine. It was almost as if Stark was mentoring Wolverine the way Captain America seemed to mentor everyone else. I have never seen Stark as a figure of authority, and if he was going to talk down to Wolverine, one of the most battled scarred and wonderfully emotional characters Marvel owned, then I never will. I just hope Brian Micahel Bendis does not place Wolverine in the “immature group” along with Spider-Man, as Straczynski has done in Amazing Spider-Man during his run at the same time. Steve McNiven once again delivered fantastic art. The excellence achieved last issue was there but there were not as many sparks. The closing double page was astounding, but other than that there were no panels that really caught the page alight as many did the previous issue. Still, he was one of the most consistent and beautiful illustrators out there and I cannot really complain about the pages he produced. The cover is an improvement. Finch’s Iron Man finally looked like he has a neck and a realistic shaped head.
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Post by sabongero on Sept 30, 2019 17:16:44 GMT -5
New Avengers #9September 2005 Writer: Brian Michael Bendis Penciler: Steve McNiven Inker: Mark Morales Colorist: Morry Hollowell Letterer: Richard Starkings & Albert Dechesne Editor: Tom Brevoort, Aubrey Sitterson, Molly Lazer, Andy Schmidt Editor-in-Chief: Joe Quesada "The Sentry: Part 3" Previously: While half of the New Avengers apprehended The Wrecker in Long Island, Captain America and Iron Man attempted to solve the problem of The Sentry. It was obvious this man existed, but the only proof of his existence lie in comic books. When they tried to understand his powers, he transformed into his alter ego, Robert Reynolds and disappeared. Once the Avengers were assembled once again, they joined forces with S.H.I.E.L.D., The Fantastic Four, The Astonishing X-Men and The Inhumans in order to approach The Sentry once again. As they did, the Void arrived. Synopsis: Yesterday: At the meeting with Iron Man, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier and others (in issue #7), Reed had no idea about sending Matt Murdock to see The Sentry at The Raft (in issue #1). Someone had been tampering with his mind. Now: As The Void attacked, Reed Richards and Emma Frost tried to calm Bob Reynolds down. They isolated him from the attack and told him to stop the attack. Bob does not see how he can do this. In his mind he was just an ordinary guy. Reed played him a message. With Bob Reynolds listening to a message from himself, we started to understand that The Sentry was an identity that is kept hidden from himself and others. The truth about The Sentry and his powers, only came to Bob during flashes of clarity. He knew he was The Void as well as The Sentry, and the only explanation he came up with was that the power the Sentry had was so uncontrollable that he punished himself with the construction of The Void. Once the message ended, Bob told Emma to do whatever she must do. They both entered his mind and uncovered something they weren’t supposed to see. It was a repressed memory. It showed Jason Wyngarde (Mastermind) standing over Bob with another mystery man. Wyngarde made Bob unable to remember who The Sentry was and believed that if he used his powers, the world will be attacked by the Devil. The mystery man announced that he had finally defeated The Sentry. Bob (knowing who the other man was) saw this and freaked out, leaving his own mind to become one with The Void… Comments: Even with the amount of information and answers given in this issue, I still have a feeling that this issue could have been so much more. This feeling doesn’t boil down to one thing, it arose from the minor roles the New Avengers actually played. And Emma Frost was one of the central characters. Also, the fact that the majority of the issue took part in Bob's mind and felt incredibly claustrophobic and the confusion surrounding the “comic book” premise that The Sentry continued to be tied to. These are things that can be ignored but somehow they take away from the explanation of the whole thing. And what an explanation it was! Over the last two issues I have been incredibly impressed with the way Bendis had planted clue after clue and teaser after teaser. I might have been confused but I was enjoying waiting to see how these things would unravel. After reading this issue, I am confused as to how Bendis has managed to get away with producing very little conviction, convincing, and emotion at any point. As an explanation it was not as inspired as I first hoped it would. it did contain yet another mystery person/voice that held the final key to the plot (see issue #3 and issue #6 for other examples!) but the bit that is salvageable, and by this I mean the message, Bendis didn't do the explanation any justice. As a turning point in the story arc, the speech was good, but it could have been so much better, more desperate, and more confused. The emotion in this issue came from Steve McNiven. It was he who did a fantastic job on showing Bob go deeper and deeper into despair and internal torment as well as bringing the talking head panels (of which this issue was almost too full of) to an interesting life. In terms of detail and composition, McNiven is brilliant (check out his fantastic Captain America run with Ed Brubaker). However, I didn’t feel he made the most of the closing page though. The image of The Void/The Devil was too light in shadows. I know it was not in McNiven’s style to use more ink than necessary, but here I felt it was necessary and took the visual edge off the threat. Overall it was an okay issue. I think the full potential of the plot had not been reached yet, and that mainly had to do with Bendis’ writing style which came across as somewhat flat and less inspiring than the previous issues.
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Post by UKMikey on Jan 5, 2020 6:44:25 GMT -5
I definitely appreciated the death of Carnage, the suckiest Marvel character of all time. I don't think I've read anything with Carnage in it since, which has made Marvel as a whole vastly better. I'm not a big fan of Carnage either. His main weakness as a character for me is that he's totally unsympathetic and there's nothing for the average reader to even understand about him, let alone sympathise with. But I do recommend reading Gerry Conway's 2016-2017 run with Mike Perkins. A few issues in I realised that instead of concentrating on Cletus Kasady, Conway made the smart decision to focus on the group hunting the character. The effect was very similar to Tomb Of Dracula and I was gratified to find out in the afterword that that's exactly how it was pitched to the writer and artist. I've never been much of a fan of Gerry Conway's classic work (while recognising the contribution he has made to classic comics lore) but for me this is one of the best things he's ever done. The latest crossover Absolute Carnage is absolute garbage for me however. While I completely agree with the Hickman=Hackman criticism I feel the rot didn't set in until after his Fantastic Four/Future Foundation arc was complete. Apologies for the off-topic post. New Avengers sure had a great first arc but it degenerated rapidly into endless Bendisisms and communal tv watching scenes.
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Post by sabongero on Feb 12, 2020 17:35:48 GMT -5
New Avengers #10October 2005 Writer: Brian Michael Bendis Penciler: Steve McNiven Inker: Mark Morales, John Dell Colorist: Morry Hollowell, Laura Martin Letterer: Richard Starkings & Albert Dechesne Editor: Tom Brevoort, Aubrey Sitterson, Molly Lazer, Andy Schmidt Editor-in-Chief: Joe Quesada The Sentry Part 4 (of 4) Previously: After Emma Frost entered Robert Reynolds’ mind in order to solve the complex problem of the existence of The Sentry, she found out that a mystery man and Jason Wyngarde (aka Mastermind) have tampered with Robert’s mind in order for him to make himself and everyone around him forget who he truly was. As Emma tried to unlock this process, Bob retreated further into his own consciousness and became The Void who attacked the group of assembled heroes. Synopsis: In the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier, Paul Jenkins and Lindy Reynolds discussed the events in Nevada. Suddenly Lindy slumped over and her subconscious was transported into her husband's. This was courtesy of Emma Frost, who needed to use a loving memory from Lindy in order to tempt Bob back to his own mind. She found a memory of the night the two of them fell in love and drew Bob back to her. At the same time, the creature that the heroes were fighting, The Void, became still. Emma questioned Bob about the unknown man from his repressed memory, he was the Crazed General. Emma told Bob that, because of her history with the Hellfire Club and Mastermind, that she was able to undo his work. The comic books, written through Paul Jenkins, were a diary of The Sentry’s battle to undo Mastermind’s psychic virus, but they were not enough. Emma took Bob to the real world and he was invited to become an Avenger, once the unlocking took place. He accepted, Emma focused on him and he transformed into The Sentry. The group travelled back to Stark Tower, which had a new extension, The Sentry Tower where Bob entered to rediscover the life that he had lost. Later, Tony Stark had another meeting with Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, Black Bolt, Namor, and Doctor Strange. He told them that the New Avengers took full responsibility for the Sentry and that there was nothing to discuss about S.H.I.E.L.D. Comments: Steve McNiven's art is the definite highlight of this issue. After a somewhat disappointing previous issue, there was no real change. It was nice to know who was responsible for The Sentry’s condition, but the fact that it was given away in an un-built-up panel of a cheesy man in a costume was just plain deplorable. The only thing of note that happened was that The Sentry joined the team, as if no one knew that was coming! Bendis tried to make Bob’s transformation glorified and emotional, but again kind of failed most accounts. The explanation was so unclear and the words so sparse towards the end that I don’t know where he had gone, what he was doing there or what difference it would make to his quite interesting paranoid schizophrenic character when he came out. Where Bendis over complicated things was in the main bulk of Emma’s talking, he missed out on the simplest concept of making sense in order to conclude with a quick (because the panels are so small) see-you-in-a-bit-I-am-going-to-be-a-changed-man-and-then-help-you-save-the-world ending. Steve McNiven, whose art does not suffer in having multiple inkers working on it, as many artists work does, was again the saving grace, as I said was the highlight of this issue. The little details like Sue Storm’s bleeding nose, the expressions on the faces of young Lindy and Bob and the little busy shots of heroes picking themselves up were brilliant. The whole page shot of The Sentry reborn, not so, but I think this was because of (again Mr. McNiven) the lack of a lot bold black shadows. A lot can be achieved with black (see any Frank Miller work) and this pose missed out somehow because it was so clean. With Finch back on art duties next issue, hopefully Ronin will be a far less complicated character for Bendis and ourselves to sink our teeth into. The Sentry could have been great. As it stood, the men writing the man in yellow and blue have a lot of work ahead of them to make him last and count.
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Post by earl on Feb 12, 2020 20:30:11 GMT -5
I think you missed out on the fun by not covering the Avengers Dissembled before starting New Avengers. That is got to be pretty close to one of the biggest 'smash the toys' story lines. It is like the end of the Avengers and they lost. I think if you look at the whole cycle, it kind of plays out but Bendis got so stretched out his writing got totally lazy.
There is a whole lot of momentum in the early run and in the build up to the Skrull story, but then it got really sloppy.
I did like his Dark Avengers storyline, which is really a sequel to Warren Ellis' Thunderbolts - both of which were pretty good reads.
I pretty much read up to the first big Hickman miniseries and dumped out most of my Marvel collection from that era and traded them out. Really, I don't care much about most Marvel comics after about 1987-88 anyway with some exceptions.
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Post by sabongero on Feb 13, 2020 12:26:04 GMT -5
I think you missed out on the fun by not covering the Avengers Dissembled before starting New Avengers. That is got to be pretty close to one of the biggest 'smash the toys' story lines. It is like the end of the Avengers and they lost. I think if you look at the whole cycle, it kind of plays out but Bendis got so stretched out his writing got totally lazy. There is a whole lot of momentum in the early run and in the build up to the Skrull story, but then it got really sloppy. I did like his Dark Avengers storyline, which is really a sequel to Warren Ellis' Thunderbolts - both of which were pretty good reads. I pretty much read up to the first big Hickman miniseries and dumped out most of my Marvel collection from that era and traded them out. Really, I don't care much about most Marvel comics after about 1987-88 anyway with some exceptions. Thanks for the info Earl. I'll look it up.
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Post by earl on Feb 13, 2020 21:20:45 GMT -5
It would have been so much better if they had it that Loki was the one that made the Scarlet Witch go mad and power her up.
That would have been taking it full circle in that Loki accidentally came to create the Avengers, but he rightly destroyed them.
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Post by sabongero on Feb 14, 2020 13:38:57 GMT -5
It would have been so much better if they had it that Loki was the one that made the Scarlet Witch go mad and power her up.
That would have been taking it full circle in that Loki accidentally came to create the Avengers, but he rightly destroyed them.
What drover her mad ?
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Post by earl on Feb 15, 2020 7:07:48 GMT -5
It would have been so much better if they had it that Loki was the one that made the Scarlet Witch go mad and power her up.
That would have been taking it full circle in that Loki accidentally came to create the Avengers, but he rightly destroyed them.
What drover her mad ?
I take it that the stress and strain of the power up that had happened in an earlier story line with the loss of her kids from that earlier Vision story line led Dr. Doom to use her as a weapon against the Avengers, but also drove her over the edge and in her breakdown led to the events of "House of M".
Considering it is an apocalyptic Avengers tale, it just seemed that it would have been better symmetry to have Loki as the one pulling the strings as he was the reason the Avengers formed in the first place.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 15, 2020 16:30:30 GMT -5
IIRC, They also implied that Tony Stark's chaos computer thingy in Force Works messed her up, too. I could totally have seen then Retconning Loki into being responsible for the kids... it does seem kinda pathetic a 4th rate villain like Master Pandemonium is indirectly responsible.
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