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Post by nadler on Oct 16, 2018 13:41:46 GMT -5
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Post by rberman on Oct 16, 2018 17:07:50 GMT -5
Whew, I knew I was not crazy. Good detective work! I listened to several podcasts in close proximity a few months back and got their contents mixed up.
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Post by rberman on Oct 17, 2018 7:28:23 GMT -5
Kitty Pryde and Wolverine #6 “Honor” (April 1985)
The Story: Logan and Ogun’s battle carries them away from Kitty. She lends a hand when Shigematsu’s sumo bodyguard shows up to menace Yukio, Mariko, Carmen, and Akiko, then eventually catches up with the main battle. Logan and and Ogun fight in various settings across Tokyo, with Logan finally winning only after embracing his berserker self, which is the opposite of the lesson he learned about winning during his own mini-series. Logan offers Kitty the opportunity to execute Ogun, and after a tense moment, she throws aside the sword, showing that she has ejected Ogun’s spirit from inside her. There’s a suitably cinematic climax in which Kitty must phase while Ogun and Logan battle through her intangible body. Kitty reassures Logan that he’s not really a mindless beast since he held back from killing Ogun before offering him to Kitty. Carmen gets a moment of redemption, telling Japanese police what little he knows of Shigematsu’s criminal empire in hopes that he can avoid prison. Kitty considers his honesty (in the face of jail time) cause for celebration. At an ice cream parlor, Mariko confesses that she considers herself unworthy to marry Logan, and he realizes that he’ll just have to wait for her to change her mind. My Two Cents: Logan and Kitty leave Ogun’s body lying in a pool of blood even though he has a reputation of being immortal. I would have burned it or locked it up or something; now he’s still available for a potential sequel. “Honor” was the title of the last issue of the Wolverine mini as well as of this one. Overall it’s been a decent series. Long on fights perhaps, owing to its expansion from four issues to six. Claremont continues to find ways for Kitty to become older than her years. Wolverine gets some more “man or beast?” story. Plus, ninja! It’s the mid 80s. Gotta have ninja.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Oct 17, 2018 17:11:00 GMT -5
Claremont is among those whose favorite X-Man is Kitty Pryde: “She’s the first one I created. A lot of her character was taken from Louise’s daughter Julie.” (Comics Creators on X-Men, page 79) I thought Byrne created Kitty, naming her after the girlfriend of someone he knew in college.
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Post by rberman on Oct 17, 2018 17:26:20 GMT -5
Claremont is among those whose favorite X-Man is Kitty Pryde: “She’s the first one I created. A lot of her character was taken from Louise’s daughter Julie.” (Comics Creators on X-Men, page 79) I thought Byrne created Kitty, naming her after the girlfriend of someone he knew in college. That is my understanding as well, though both of them were involved in their own ways. I suspect Claremont is saying that when he wrote dialogue for her, he thought of Louise's daughter. As for the "first" part, were there any other X-Men that debuted after Giant Size #1 but before Kitty? Dazzler was more foisted on X-Men than created for them.
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Post by rberman on Oct 17, 2018 20:32:10 GMT -5
Kitty Pryde: Shadow and Flame #1 “Dragon Quest” (August 2005)
The Story: Kitty Pryde is at the X-Men mansion when she receives an anonymous letter from Japan containing a photo of a caged small green dragon and a note to “Come alone. Bring your dragon.” OK! Once in Tokyo, she’s intercepted by Ryoko Oshiba of the Japanese Department of Supernatural Sciences who explains that the green dragon was recently stolen from her government facility by the Path of Destiny, a ninja group splintered from The Hand. Reviewing security cameras, Kitty realizes that the dragon thief is none other than her old nemesis Ogun, presumed dead. After some fruitless internet work turns up no leads, Kitty decides to check out the Tokyo nightlife. She and Lockheed defeat a gang of thugs, but we later see they were just a test so that the Path of Destiny can understand her current capabilities. My Two Cents: This story was released twenty years after the previous Ogun story in the Kitty Pryde and Wolverine limited series, so I don’t begrudge revisiting the setting or the villain. But where can we place this story within X-Men continuity? The back of my TPB says Kitty comes “From the pages of Astonishing X-Men!” August 2005 saw publication of Astonishing X-Men issue #12, the end of Joss Whedon’s second story arc (“Dangerous”), with the third arc (“Torn”) not beginning in issue #13 until April 2006. So this was an ideal time to squeeze in this Kitty solo story. Her romance with Peter Rasputin was heating up, so it would have made more sense to talk with him than Cyclops at the beginning of this “I must go alone” tale, but at least there’s not a continuity problem. The green female dragon in the photo is called "Greenie" throughout this series but elsewhere is named "Puff." She came back from Battleworld with the X-Men at the end of the original Secret Wars and was briefly monstrous-size in X-Men #181's tribute to Godzilla movies. Somehow she's back to Lockheed-size now. Who should draw a story about Kitty Pryde and dragons? What about the original “girl with dragons” artist expert, Paul Smith? Yes! (he also did the "girl with dragon" series Leave it to Chance.) Smith has done surprisingly little work for his stature in the field, a situation he admits is due to a poor work ethic and shortsightedness. He gave a surprisingly candid interview to Wizard Magazine in October 1995:
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Post by chaykinstevens on Oct 18, 2018 16:50:25 GMT -5
I thought Byrne created Kitty, naming her after the girlfriend of someone he knew in college. That is my understanding as well, though both of them were involved in their own ways. I suspect Claremont is saying that when he wrote dialogue for her, he thought of Louise's daughter. As for the "first" part, were there any other X-Men that debuted after Giant Size #1 but before Kitty? Dazzler was more foisted on X-Men than created for them. Probably not, although Phoenix was later retconned to have been distinct from Jean Grey. Dazzler appeared after Kitty.
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Post by rberman on Oct 18, 2018 18:37:18 GMT -5
Kitty Pryde: Shadow and Flame #2 “Daughter of the Dragon” (September 2005)
The Story: The Path of Destiny lures Kitty to the top observation level of tourist attraction Tokyo Tower, where she and Lockheed best a cadre of ninja. Some fall to their deaths. Some flee. One is chatty and then bites a cyanide pill. It’s all out of character for an organization allegedly associated with master assassins The Hand, and government agent Ryoko Oshiba is withholding information still, secretly hoping to use Kitty to gain something Ogun has called “Kurokaze.” Kitty returns to her apartment to find Lockheed drugged and a demon-masked figure crouching in the window box. Ogun? My Two Cents: The first half of this issue is a silent balletic ninja fight clearly homaging Frank Miller’s Daredevil and Wolverine work twenty years prior. The second half is very talky but straightforward. The Japanese scientists call Kitty “Daughter of the Demon,” referring to how she was trained by Ogun in her mini-series. They also believe she killed Ogun, but really it was Wolverine who did it, and really he is an immortal who can’t be killed anyway. But I wonder why this issue wasn’t called “Daughter of the Demon.” Obviously “Daughter of the Dragon” nods to the duo of Colleen Wing and Misty Knight. Kitty does have a dragon, but she’s the mother in that relationship, not the daughter. We talked about the artist Paul Smith yesterday. What about the writer, Akira Yoshida? Hiring a Japanese native to tell this Tokyo story sounds like a smart idea. Unfortunately, “Akira Yoshida” was just a pseudonym used by C.B. Cebulski. He faked a whole backstory for his pseudonym and even gave a fake interview with Comic Book Resources when this series was being published. He was also violating then-Marvel policy against editors also being writers. So Cebulski’s elevation to Marvel Editor-in-Chief in 2017 was met with mixed reactions. I actually thought it was a weird coincidence for a comic book writer to be named after two famous comic book characters (Yoshida being the surname of Wolverine’s girlfriend Mariko). My instinct was right! Too bad; getting Japanese writers for Marvel Comics (especially for a Japanese story) sounds like a good idea.
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Post by rberman on Oct 20, 2018 9:04:48 GMT -5
Kitty Pryde: Shadow and Flame #3 “Cat and Mouse” (October 2005)
The Story: The ninja wearing Ogun’s demon mask challenges Kitty to a duel, with the prize being an antidote to the poison afflicting Lockheed. Lots of fighting ensues, and Kitty realizes that her opponent is neither Ogun nor male. (She calls the ninja Faux-gun, which is clever.) Faux-gun leads Kitty on a long chase through the streets, into the subway, to an abandoned station where she reveals herself as Nao, another former pupil of Ogun. She has a bunch of ninja henchmen hanging out there… and they want Kitty to be their leader! My Two Cents: Another issue mainly consisting of combat; in this respect it’s more like the original Wolverine mini-series than anything else. The plot twist at the end was a good one, but the Path of Destiny have shown themselves to be quite ruthless (as well as somewhat incompetent), so it’s hard to imagine Kitty being too tempted by their offer in the long run. At one point in the battle with the demon-headed ninja, Kitty phases through a hotel bed containing a man and woman in pajamas. This seems odd for a story taking place in the middle of the day. Kitty’s X-buckle is also a flashlight, which is a nice utilitarian touch I don’t recall seeing elsewhere. She's wearing the Casssaday version of her classic costume, from Whedon's Astonishing X-Men.
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Post by rberman on Oct 21, 2018 13:14:58 GMT -5
Kitty Pryde: Shadow and Flame #4 “The Five Swords of Secrets” (November 2005)
The Story: Nao shows off the Path’s treasure, a katana named Kurokaze (the Black Wind). Kitty agrees to steal a second super-sword, Ginrei (“The Silver Spirit”) from Silver Samurai to win the freedom of Lockheed and the other dragon. Silver Samurai (Kenuchio Harada) catches Kitty in the act of theft and is surprisingly mellow about the whole thing compared to his murderous appearances in the 80s. He agrees to an honor duel with Kitty, with the victor getting his sword. Kitty loses on swordplay skills but wins with phasing powers, dodging Kenuchio’s killing blow with a phase, and then snatching his heart from his chest. She apologizes to his corpse and claims the sword. But back in Tokyo, we learn that Nao plans to betray Kitty to increase the Path’s stature. My Two Cents: Did that really happen? Kitty murdered him so that she could claim his sword? One certainly hopes that some big-league trickery is in play here to justify all this very un-Kittylike behavior. Again a wordless fight sequence makes up a huge part of this issue. Nao says that “The Path of Destiny’s sole agenda is to regain the place of power and respect we once enjoyed in the secret shadows of Japan.” Oh, is that all? Just to have power in the shadows? Yeah, that sounds really tempting to Kitty! The “five swords of secrets” do not exist outside of Marvel Comics. In fact, they do not exist outside of this Marvel mini-series, and we only hear of two of them. Too bad. I thought maybe “Yashida” (Cebulski) was going for a Saberhagenesque mythology of swords with specialty powers. Indeed, the Wolverine series that began in 1988 started with a story about Logan and Silver Samurai and two magic swords, one being a “black blade” which seemed modeled on Michael Moorcock’s Stormbringer and the like.
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Post by rberman on Oct 22, 2018 9:30:28 GMT -5
Kitty Pryde: Shadow and Flame #5 “Conclusion” (December 2005)
The Story: Nao prepares her team of ninjas to accost Kitty upon her return with the sword Ginrei. Then we discover that Kitty has already infiltrated the squad and is disguised as one of the ninjas. Then we discover that "Kitty" is actually Agent Ryoko Oshiba disguised as Kitty with Lockheed’s illusion collar, while the real Kitty frees the two dragons. Then in bursts Silver Samurai, very not-dead, at the vanguard of a squad of baton-wielding agents. Batons make for a better ninja fight scene than guns, so away we go into a massive melee, the upshot of which is that the good guys win, but Nao slips away during a fire which she probably survives. Kenuchio gets Ginrei back; Oshiba gets the other sword Kurokaze, and the two dragons are apparently cured of the poison which was driving the plot of the last two issues, though this detail is never mentioned. Kitty leaves Lockheed to frolic with the other dragon (whom she has been calling “Greenie”) and returns to America. My Two Cents: Another big fight scene with some nice individual panels. The healing of the dragons is a big plot hole, but at least Kitty’s apparent murder of Kenuchio last issue was resolved satisfactorily, just a ruse to hide his assistance with her plan. Are there any X-Men villains from the 80s who are still evil today? The end of the series shows Kitty on a plane flying over the Atlantic, with Lockheed chugging along beside it under his own steam. Can Lockheed really fly as high or quickly as an intercontinental jet liner with his tiny wings? Can he really fly across the Pacific Ocean? I doubt it on both counts. Overall, Shadow and Flame is a slight story, clearly told, with a small cast of characters and a plot which mainly serves to provide space between the multi-page wordless fight scenes which are the whole point of this extended Frank Miller homage.
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Post by rberman on Oct 22, 2018 9:38:34 GMT -5
X-Men Unlimited #36 “This One’s For You!” (July 2002)
The Story: College student Kitty Pryde reflects on all her dead friends: Doug Ramsey, Peter and Illyana Rasputin, Pete Wisdom, Magneto, and all who died in Genosha, including her father, whose death she watches repeatedly on closed circuit video footage. On the way from home from her side job as a bartender, she rescues a family of bigots from an apartment fire. (Comic books seem to have a lot of apartment fires, usually when a hero is walking by.) The next day, she gets sent to the dean’s office after punching a student promoting the “Purity” anti-mutant group. Academic probation and mandatory psychological counseling are meted out. My Two Cents: The X-Men Unlimited series allowed a different writer/artist team to spotlight a different solo X-man one-shot story every month, which was quite a good idea. This one by Chris Claremont serves as prologue for his Mekanix limited series, showing what Kitty Pryde is up to as a student at the University of Chicago. Regarding the issue's title, repeated as its last line of dialogue, I’m not entirely certain what “one” she means when she tells the image of her dead father, “This one’s for you.” Herself maybe? I wish the University of Chicago school of engineering really was named after Heinlein, but this is just Claremont’s fancy. Too bad! It is something of a shock to see Kitty sexing herself up as a skanky Coyote Ugly-style bartender in a leather belly vest, tight pants, an arm tattoo, and four piercings in each ear. Would she go through a tart phase while grieving for her father? Maybe. Would a super-genius resort to sexing herself up to earn more tips as a bartender? Ehh… more likely she’d get a work-study job on campus. Apparently one of her professors is expecting her to repair a particle accelerator, a job which falls far outside of the expectations on a typical undergraduate. She will later describe herself as her teacher’s “gearhead.” If there's at least some plausibility to her appearance in the interior art, the cover is another matter. I don’t know who that buxom pouting girl is on the cover, but it’s not Kitty Pryde, the most famously flat-chested, non-Lolita young female character in comic books. Who is Joe Chiodo, and why did he inflict this image upon us? Kitty has a Pokémon folder and a “Toy Story 2” folder. Kitty says that she got a “special dispensation” to live off-campus. Does she need one? Does the University of Chicago normally require its students to live on-campus? My alma mater (Rice University) required all freshmen to live on campus so they could get to know each other, but not upperclassmen. Between Kitty’s classwork and her bartending job, she won’t have much time to make friends.
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Post by badwolf on Oct 22, 2018 13:43:40 GMT -5
Joe Chiodo used to be a great artist (IMO) but at some point he developed this weird pin-up style that I find really unappealing and as far as I know never went back. I agree that that cover is really inappropriate (in that it doesn't represent Kitty at all.)
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Post by rberman on Oct 23, 2018 8:19:21 GMT -5
Mekanix #1 “Targets” (December 2002)
The Story: After a night of bartending, Kitty Pryde has her first psychotherapy session as part of the terms of her academic probation after assaulting a mutant-hating student. She sits in the office of Dr. Maureen Lyszinski for a full hour without saying a word. But a photo of the Lyszinski family gets her thinking about her own dead father, and she cries all the way home. Xi’an Coy Manh shows up at Kitty’s bartending job that night, and the two reminisce. They talk at a table, and Xi’an twirls Kitty’s hair absently. Back at Xi’an’s apartment, they tuck in Xian’s siblings and then drink and chat for a while on a chilly patio. Elsewhere in Chicago, a telepathic/telekinetic mutant named Shola Inkosi is haunted by memories of his mental (but not physical) presence at the Genosha extinction event which killed his family. Still elsewhere, Jeff, Alice, and Tom, three university students and members of the anti-mutant group Purity, plan distribution of their species-ist fliers. Jeff is particularly sore about having been punched by Kitty back in X-Men Unlimited #36. They have a scheme to expose mutants on-campus: when a physics class flips on their new particle accelerator, something goes terribly wrong… My Two Cents: Unlike Kitty, Xian’s younger siblings do not appear to have aged much since their introduction in the early 80s. We see their Catholic devotion, praying with Xi’an at bedtime. Kitty regrets that the Xavier School is “isn’t really an option” for Xi’an’s siblings if they are mutants. Why not? Over in Grant Morrison’s concurrent run on New X-Men, the school is full of students. Claremont is known for building off of the ideas of other Marvel writers, and his interplay with Grant Morrison is an example. Morrison wrote the destruction of Genosha but didn’t really show us any effect it had other than returning Emma Frost to the X-Men and apparently killing Magneto. (Then later, Morrison killed Magneto for realsies.) In interviews, Claremont seemed both inspired and exasperated by Morrison's knack for dropping plot bombs and then not sticking around to explore the ruins. Claremont, more than any writer alive (or dead), has an instinct for knowing how events would affect each member of the X-Men cast. Even a new member like Shola Inkosi, whose Genoshan citizenship makes him a target for revocation of his student visa, on grounds that Genosha is a rogue state, until the incineration of Genosha causes the U.S. State Department to send him a form letter extending his visa indefinitely. This is just good world-building. All twelve members of Professor Benes’ physics undergraduate class have names and headshots on the Purity website, and one of the twelve makes them all T-shirts as a joke. Surely this would qualify as harassment and generate an official university response. These are the “targets” mentioned in this issue’s title, and Kitty is one of them.
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Post by rberman on Oct 24, 2018 8:10:33 GMT -5
Mekanix #2 “Runaway” (January 2003)
The Story: The sabotaged physics experiment is running amuck, causing way more damage than the mutant-hating saboteurs intended. Kitty shoos her classmates and professor out of the room then dives into the heart of the machine to shut it down. Xi’an and Tom (one of the Purity saboteurs) find Kitty in a maintenance tunnel with a couple of trapped students. Shola, the telekinetic from Genosha, cuts an escape route to them, but Tom resents being rescued by a mutant and finding out that Kitty is one too. At her second counseling session, Kitty confesses guilt over not preventing her parents’ divorce. Then it’s off to a tense police interrogation concerning the explosion in the lab. When asked which of them are mutants, Kitty and her eleven co-workers have a Spartacus moment, all claiming to be mutants. My Two Cents: It’s a straightforward issue. Kitty is disappointed that working together to save victims didn’t buy her any esprit de corps with Tom the mutie-hater. The police don’t buy Kitty’s story about sabotage, at least sabotage by from someone outside the physics group. Kitty spends much of the issue running around in her underwear after her clothes are burned off by the experiment. The title “Runaway” refers to the experiment, but it could also refer to Shola Inkosi, fleeing the scene after helping. And Kitty is running away emotionally herself.
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