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Post by brutalis on Feb 28, 2020 17:15:57 GMT -5
If I want stronger story in High Fantasy then I will pick up a book where there is room for such details and growth. WoSR was the best eye candy ever at the time and gorgeously illustrated, which is all a kid could want and hope for in a comic book. Brilliant combination of Buscema/Nebres/Leger that had me waiting impatiently for each issue!
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 28, 2020 17:48:02 GMT -5
If I want stronger story in High Fantasy then I will pick up a book where there is room for such details and growth. WoSR was the best eye candy ever at the time and gorgeously illustrated, which is all a kid could want and hope for in a comic book. Brilliant combination of Buscema/Nebres/Leger that had me waiting impatiently for each issue! I'm not debating the eye candy; but, I'm a story guy and if the illustrations aren't in service to a greater story, it might as well be a portfolio (which was put out, by Pacific). To me, this can't hold a candle to Dave Wenzel's adaptation of The Hobbit., where story and art are in harmony for a great adventure.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Feb 28, 2020 19:13:33 GMT -5
Creative Team: Doug moench-Writer, John Buscema-pencils, Rudy Nebres-inks, painted color art by Paul Ledger, various letterers, Rick Marschall-editor. Peter Ledger, innit?
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Post by MDG on Feb 29, 2020 8:38:42 GMT -5
Marvel did a huge marketing push for this series, but either it didn't sell well or the LCSs I frequented at the time way over-ordered. Saw stacks of these for a couple years.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 29, 2020 12:37:25 GMT -5
Creative Team: Doug moench-Writer, John Buscema-pencils, Rudy Nebres-inks, painted color art by Paul Ledger, various letterers, Rick Marschall-editor. Peter Ledger, innit? Yeah; brain-fart.
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Post by berkley on Feb 29, 2020 17:57:23 GMT -5
To this day I still feel a little surprised that Warriors of the Shadow Realm and the whole Weirdworld project in general was so mediocre. I think Moench was one of Marvel's best writers at the time, and he had shown that he could do some interesting things with fantasy in the last story arc of his Ka-Zar run, but for whatever reason Weirdworld just felt totally lifeless and by the numbers. It didn't help that the artwork never really wowed me - I didn't hate it, but it certainly wasn't special enough in my eyes to overcome the every average writing.
Has Moench ever talked about it much or done an in-depth interview on the subject? Sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't give it another chance - with all that talent, Moench, Ploog, etc, can it really be as bad as I remember?
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 29, 2020 22:33:58 GMT -5
To this day I still feel a little surprised that Warriors of the Shadow Realm and the whole Weirdworld project in general was so mediocre. I think Moench was one of Marvel's best writers at the time, and he had shown that he could do some interesting things with fantasy in the last story arc of his Ka-Zar run, but for whatever reason Weirdworld just felt totally lifeless and by the numbers. It didn't help that the artwork never really wowed me - I didn't hate it, but it certainly wasn't special enough in my eyes to overcome the every average writing. Has Moench ever talked about it much or done an in-depth interview on the subject? Sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't give it another chance - with all that talent, Moench, Ploog, etc, can it really be as bad as I remember? I wonder how much was Ploog. The Marvel Premiere story and the later Marvel Fanfare stories were alright and a bit more humorous. Ploog started out drawing the first book; but was way behind and either quit in a disagreement with Shooter or was fired from the book, according to who you believe (Rick Marschall claimed the latter and that Ploog was paid for work done). I wonder how much plotting he was doing, vs what Moench ended up doing for Buscema.
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Post by MDG on Mar 1, 2020 10:57:25 GMT -5
I think originally Marvel wanted to publish Wendy Pini's Elfquest, but they couldn't come to an agreement, so Marvel developed their own version.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 1, 2020 11:26:58 GMT -5
I agree that 1) the art was gorgeous and 2) it was such a LOTR rip-off that it just didn't generate interest. I liked the Ploog Weirdworld stuff more and thought there was potential, but it eventually just felt watered down, even with the Buscema/Severin team on art. There was a feeling (to me) that Ploog was co-creating something and John B was just doing another art job, always excellent but not special.
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Post by berkley on Mar 1, 2020 21:02:21 GMT -5
The thing is, I don't recall liking the Ploog Weirdworld much either, and I love Ploog's style (at least some of the time. But it's been so long, I'd really have to give it a good look again, after all these years.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Mar 2, 2020 14:14:10 GMT -5
Sadly, not here is Mike Ploog. Ploog was originally drawing theis, but was slow and Marvel finally paid him off and turned it over to Buscema. nothing against Buscema, who is at home in fantasy; but, Ploog brought a more unique styling to Weirworld; though, quite frankly, the stories don't do too much for me. They are fairly derivative fantasy, though the humorous touches help. Still, WIzard King or Cheech Wizard it ain't and it definitely isn't Tolkien, no matter what the cover blurb says. My understanding was that Ploog was fired because he was demanding his original art back for the project. I personally loved the original Weirdworld stories. They were light and fluffy but I found them charming. I found none of that charm in this wrap-up of the arc, which disappointed me. I also didn't find the Ploog stories particularly reminiscent of LotR (any more than all fantasy of the era was), but the Buscema stories were so derivative that it killed a lot of my enjoyment of the series. I wonder whether Moench changed the storyline to reflect the new artist?
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 3, 2020 0:01:04 GMT -5
Sadly, not here is Mike Ploog. Ploog was originally drawing theis, but was slow and Marvel finally paid him off and turned it over to Buscema. nothing against Buscema, who is at home in fantasy; but, Ploog brought a more unique styling to Weirworld; though, quite frankly, the stories don't do too much for me. They are fairly derivative fantasy, though the humorous touches help. Still, WIzard King or Cheech Wizard it ain't and it definitely isn't Tolkien, no matter what the cover blurb says. My understanding was that Ploog was fired because he was demanding his original art back for the project. I personally loved the original Weirdworld stories. They were light and fluffy but I found them charming. I found none of that charm in this wrap-up of the arc, which disappointed me. I also didn't find the Ploog stories particularly reminiscent of LotR (any more than all fantasy of the era was), but the Buscema stories were so derivative that it killed a lot of my enjoyment of the series. I wonder whether Moench changed the storyline to reflect the new artist? That's why I say I wonder how much of the other stories is down to Ploog, beyond the art. I kind of suspect he had a big part in the conception, characterization and the humor, because those elements are there in the later Marvel Fanfare stories.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 11, 2020 17:26:58 GMT -5
Okay, I had to dig for my Super Special digital archives for this one... Marvel Super Special #14, MeteorCover is credited to Earl Norem; but was actually painted by Peter Ledger, based on the pencils by some guy called Frank Miller. Creative Team: Ralph Macchio-writer, Pat Morita-pencils, William Zabka inks, Martin Kove-letters, Elizabeth Shue-colors, John Avildsen-editor GOTTCHA! Ralph Macchio-writer (the Marvel guy), Gene Colan-pencils, Tom Palmer-inks & colors, John Costanza-letters, Rick Marschall-editor. Marvel adapts the "major" motion picture, Meteor, starring Sean Connery, Natalie Wood, Brian Kieth, Karl Malden, and Martin Landau (among many others)... Synopsis: In Hong Kong, a Japanese amateur astronomer discovers what he believes is a comet, but which observer's at Mt Palomar Observatory discover is something entirely different. they dispatch the Coast Guard to interrupt Dr Paul Brady from the middle of an America's Cup race, off Newport, RI. Bradley walked out of NASA after he found a project of his was being used for military applications. He is taken by jet to Los Angeles, until they are re-routed to new York. There, a briefing reveals that the comet is on a collision course with an asteroid belt and will likely dislodge a large meteor from its orbit and toward the Earth. Dr Bradley was the developer of a orbital weapons platform, named Hercules, designed to intercept and destroy potentially dangerous meteors before they can impact the Earth. He left NASA after finding it was being used to target sites in the USSR. In New York, he meets Dr Alexi Dubov, of the USSR, who is there to offer any assistance from the Soviet Union, as the threat of a meteor strike also affects the territory of the USSR. He is accompanied by Tatiana Donskaya, interpreter and astrophysicist. A collision is confirmed with the asteroid belt and several fragments are en route to Earth, including a smaller one that impacts in Mongolia. bradley proposes launching Project Orpheus, to use the missile on Hercules to intercept further meteors. There is much debate and stonewalling by the Joint Chiefs, until another meteor crashes in the Austrian Alps, setting off a devastating avalanche. The US President goes on the air to reveal the existence of Hercules and the intent to use it to intercept the meteors. The existence of a Russian platform, Peter the Great, is confirmed and cooperation is negotiated. A new fragment impacts the Pacific and unleashes a tsunami on Japan. Another fragment, 3 miles in diameter is tracked on collision course and is targeted by Hercules and Peter. A smaller fragment was missed in tracking and now discovered on collision course with new York City. two missiles are fired from Hercules but fail to impact and the fragment hits, destroying the World Trade Center, with further fragments colliding the surrounding area, including the Empire State Building and Rockefeller Plaza. The underground Orpheus command center is affected, knocking out control of Hercules. Bradley and Donskaya are able to target the missiles and fire, destroying the meteor; but they then have to find a way out of the partially buried complex. they do so and see another day, but the devastation is massive. Thoughts: Sorry about the lack of images; but, there isn't much out there... Essentially, Meteor was one of the last hurrahs for the Disaster Movie genre. The meteor is merely a mcguffin for scenes of massive earthquakes, tidal waves, avalanches and other natural disasters that arise from the impact. The missile subplot is there to highlight Cold War tensions and a way to save the Earth. There is a romantic subplot, as Dr Bradley falls for Tatiana and vice versa (and Sean had already had Natalie's sister, Lana, in Diamonds Are Forever). Brian Kieth played the Russian Dubov, who gives the orders to realign Peter the Great in support of Hercules, while Henry Fonda (again) plays the US President. The film was a commercial and critical flop and the effects were pretty much low to average, which was hardly good enough in the age of Star Wars. The basic plot isn't bad, as I watched the film when it was broadcast on network tv. The science is pretty bad (a comet in our solar system doesn't just appear out of the blue and a 3 mile in diameter asteroid would be visible long before it is). This is early asteroid doomsday stuff, before Deep Impact and Armageddon (though When Worlds Collide is the granddaddy of these things) and apocalyptic types have given lip service to such hysteria. Potentially, meteors could impact the Earth in large enough size to create mass devastation; but, the movies always place them at a size that would be discovered and tracked long before they appear in the films. The adaptation is serviceable, but pares things way down. it doesn't really have the room to do much with the disaster scenes, so Gene Colan goes for the big image, in each instance, keeping the New York stuff for the real visual impact. The scary thing is that the devastation depicted is not much different than the 9/11 events, as the meteor impacts one of the two WTC towers and it collapses. Then, we see similar with other NYC landmarks, with the Empire State Building and Rockefeller Center. The acting in the film was decent, on par with other disaster films, with Natalie Wood getting to exercise her Russian. She was born Natalia Nikolaevna Zakharenko, the child of two first generation Russian immigrants (refugees from the Bolshevik uprising). Natalie grew up in San Francisco, speaking English and Russian fluently, though with her American accent. Connery was busy trying to build a career outside of Bond, with mixed results, apart from the well received middle 70s films The Man Who Would Be King (one of his best performances, in my opinion), The Wind and the Lion, and Robin and Marion. He struggled through the later 70s and early 80s, apart from his small role in Time Bandits, until landing better roles in the later 80s and 90s. Brian Kieth was a fine actor; but, was far better as Teddy roosevelt, in The Wind and the Lion, than trying to play a Russian, here. Really, the characters are mostly there to give a POV for reacting to the disasters. Gene Colan does his usual excellent job with the material, which isn't much upon which to hang your hat. Macchio has to adapt the script and does what he can; but I have read better attempts at such things. The visuals are really the only notable part of this, which puts it ahead of the movie. The poor performance at the box office did this no favors. The collector prices on this are at the lower end of the MSS range, though there are some with even lower prices, from more successful films (Mile High lists the Start Trek TMP issue as lower than this). These days, it has some demand due to the similarities of the imagery with 9/11. On the whole, it is well-crafted, average stuff.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 11, 2020 17:53:42 GMT -5
Marvel Graphic novel #47, Kull: the Vale of ShadowBefore anyone says anything, that's a scabbard that you see and nothing more. Creative Team: Alan Zelenetz-writer, Tony DeZuniga-art, Michael Heisler-letters, Tom Vincent colors, Craig Anderson-editor. Cover painting by oug Beekman (Oh, loved his tv show, Beekman's World!) Synopsis: Valusia has been at war and Kull got a boo-boo and appears to be dying (Okay, so it's a big boo-boo). We get a bedtime story about Kull's youth, when his whaling boat is attacked by Picts and the crew killed. he survives and sneaks aboard the Pictish ship and Fs-up the crew... By this axe I kick your a#$! Meanwhile, Kull is tormented by a green, topless, horny chick (literally, as she has horns), as we get another story. This time, Kull is a gladiator and is sent into the arena, where he goes all Mas Oyama on a bull, then has to kill a friend. Kull kicks his hinder but refuses to kill him. Crossbolts are fired at him, but miss and his freedom is bought by an admirer. more green naked chick psychedelics, then another story. Here, we see how Kull won the crown of Valusia, which involves a lot of stabbing. Kull engages in Death sex and we get a story about him entering a tapestry and changing the story. More death sex and Kull proves good enough that Death (the naked green horny chick) lets him live for some future nookie. Thoughts: Eh, it's okay, nothing special. Dezuniga is at home; but, this feels like a mini-series cobbled together to do as a graphic novel, so that they can have the naked stuff. Marvel's Conan and Howard stuff was quickly waning and the lack of an Arnold Conan sequel kind of killed interest in things, for a while (which is how we end up with Kevin Sorbo as Kull). There is nothing great here. It would have been fine as an issue of Savage Sword; but is hardly earthshattering as a graphic novel. Marvel really was just churning out product. Like I say, Dezuniga is in his element and he gets to do more than he used to be allowed, allegedly for a more "mature" audience, which is highly debatable. The episodic structure doesn't add much to things and it seems like they are trying to copy story ebats from the first Conan film, as much as tell or adapt a Kull story. Thank Kirby that the next one is Sam Glanzman!
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Post by rberman on Mar 11, 2020 18:19:31 GMT -5
The main thing I remember about the Meteor film is not remembering it now. The night it aired on TV, it was up against another movie: Battle Beyond the Stars, which was Roger Corman's sci-fi version of "The Magnificent Seven," starring the likes of Richard "John-boy Walton" Thomas and George Peppard. Two movies in one slot? Never fear; we had one of those new-fangled VHS tape recorders. We could watch one movie live, and record the other one to watch later! Truly living the Life of Riley. We chose to watch Meteor live and watch Battle Beyond the Stars later. Many times, over and over, for years to come throughout the eighties. That was the right choice. But did it get a Marvel Super Special?
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