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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 12, 2020 8:02:00 GMT -5
That Kull graphic novel allowed Alan Zelenetz to tweak the Atlantean’s origin, making it fit better with the then-current colour comic (volume 3). Among the major changes were the introduction of Baron Bora Ballin as a supporting character, and the (ill-advised) transformation of King Borna from the huge and truculent berserker he had been described as previously to a balding and petty tyrant.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 12, 2020 14:46:59 GMT -5
The main thing I remember about the Meteor film is not remembering it now. The night it aired on TV, it was up against another movie: Battle Beyond the Stars, which was Roger Corman's sci-fi version of "The Magnificent Seven," starring the likes of Richard "John-boy" Walton and George Peppard. Two movies in one slot? Never fear; we had one of those new-fangled VHS tape recorders. We could watch one movie live, and record the other one to watch later! Truly living the Life of Riley. We chose to watch Meteor live and watch Battle Beyond the Stars later. Many times, over and over, for years to come throughout the eighties. That was the right choice. But did it get a Marvel Super Special? Battle Beyond the Stars was one of those films that surprised people. It was yet another Roger Corman quickie, cashing in on Star Wars and we had already had Star Crash, message From Space, The Shape of Things to Come, and Battlestar Galactica and were about to get Buck Rogers. Plus, Marvel was doing The Empire Strikes Back; so, who would go after a Corman film? BBS is far better than it has a right to be; not great, but thoroughly watchable and entertaining, which puts it way ahead of most Star Wars knock-offs. Plus, it was a proving ground for so many people: John Sayles, Gale Ann Hurd, James Cameron and James Murakami. Plus, pretty good music from James Horner. I'm kind of surprised Corman didn't include it in his ill-fated comic book venture, that produced the Death Race 2020 comic.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 12, 2020 14:53:20 GMT -5
I wonder about some of the licenses Marvel did pursue....Sgt Pepper, Annie, Xanadu....not exactly what I would consider a comic book crossover audience. The sci-fi and adventure stuff makes sense and Rock & Rule was an adult animated feature, which made some sense, since they couldn't have Heavy metal (for obvious reasons). I think Sgt Pepper came about because of the KISS and Beatles specials, as they hoped to do a whole series of rock n roll comic magazines, which never panned out. I even get Jaws 2, since Jaws was the big blockbuster. Meteor was scif-, sort of (though mostly just a disaster film in sci-fi drag).
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Post by brutalis on Mar 12, 2020 15:12:58 GMT -5
I wonder about some of the licenses Marvel did pursue....Sgt Pepper, Annie, Xanadu....not exactly what I would consider a comic book crossover audience. The sci-fi and adventure stuff makes sense and Rock & Rule was an adult animated feature, which made some sense, since they couldn't have Heavy metal (for obvious reasons). I think Sgt Pepper came about because of the KISS and Beatles specials, as they hoped to do a whole series of rock n roll comic magazines, which never panned out. I even get Jaws 2, since Jaws was the big blockbuster. Meteor was scif-, sort of (though mostly just a disaster film in sci-fi drag). Is it possible Marvel wasn't seeking all the movie license/tie-in comics and it was coming from Hollywood once the word was out that Marvel was doing them? A guaranteed advertisement of the movies to help if they didn't make big bucks at the box office in hopes anyone seeing or reading the adaptation would be interested enough for seeing the movie? A comic book would be in the "viewers" eyes out on the stand for weeks or months before/during/after a movies release date.
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Post by MDG on Mar 12, 2020 15:45:20 GMT -5
I wonder about some of the licenses Marvel did pursue....Sgt Pepper, Annie, Xanadu....not exactly what I would consider a comic book crossover audience. The sci-fi and adventure stuff makes sense and Rock & Rule was an adult animated feature, which made some sense, since they couldn't have Heavy metal (for obvious reasons). I think Sgt Pepper came about because of the KISS and Beatles specials, as they hoped to do a whole series of rock n roll comic magazines, which never panned out. I even get Jaws 2, since Jaws was the big blockbuster. Meteor was scif-, sort of (though mostly just a disaster film in sci-fi drag). Is it possible Marvel wasn't seeking all the movie license/tie-in comics and it was coming from Hollywood once the word was out that Marvel was doing them? A guaranteed advertisement of the movies to help if they didn't make big bucks at the box office in hopes anyone seeing or reading the adaptation would be interested enough for seeing the movie? A comic book would be in the "viewers" eyes out on the stand for weeks or months before/during/after a movies release date. I think "exposure" was one of the selling points, even though the books were "spoilers" for the movies. Also, I believe this coincided with the time Stan was on the West Coast looking to get studios interested in producing Marvel movies, though it would be another two decades before this started gaining traction.
I know that when DC did toy tie-in books, like He-Man and Super Powers, the costs were essentially subsidized by the company--I wonder if this was the case with adaptations as well.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 12, 2020 16:48:18 GMT -5
Well, adaptations were traditionally seen as marketing for a film or tv show. However, they weren't usually great money makers for comic book publishers, which is why DC poo-pooed them for some years, aside from the stuff like Sgt Bilko, Bob Hope and Jerry Lewis. They did a few, like Captain Action and Welcome Back Kotter and Isis.
Marvel had been more open to that as a way to sell more product, though, apart from Conan, didn't have much success with it until Star Wars and that was due more to the frenzy for Star Wars than the comics themselves. The comics helped tide people over until Empire came out, as we only had Splinter of the Mind's Eye and the Holiday Special, apart from the comic strip. Once Empire came out, Star Wars was no longer the great cash cow it had been for Marvel. part of that was due to the restrictions put on them because of storylines in the films and limits imposed by Lucas and part because there were other Star Wars avenues, with toys, books, games and official fanzines to feed the appetite. The comics were still good and did well; but, sales post Em[ire were lower than post Star Wars and declined even further after Jedi. Really, the whole Star Wars thing was declining, post Jedi, as everyone had their fix and Lucas didn't seem interested in doing the prequels or sequels that he had talked about, after his divorce. Sure, we got the spin-offs for tv (Droids and Ewoks and the Ewok movies); but, things were pretty much dead, until the Zahn books and Dark Horse published Dark Empire and Lucas started authorizing more expanded universe books, based on sales of Zahn's work (which is still the acme of those works, in my opinion). Then, we started getting 20th Anniversary fever, with the Special Editions and then the announcement that Lucas was going to do the prequels.
Western had been the king of the tie-in, going back to the days with Dell and continuing on their own, as Gold Key. However, few of those projects made big money and fewer over a long period Disney and Warner Bros. cartoon licenses brought them the most money of any of them. They had the advantage, though, of making more money off other tie-in merch, since they were also producing things like puzzles and games, through their Whitman division. For them, comics were just more product and a way to keep the presses rolling. When they got a license, it was to produce a line of merchandise, with comics just being one component of that line.
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Post by berkley on Mar 12, 2020 16:54:46 GMT -5
I think that under Stan lee's direction, Marvel always had some pretensions to reaching out to a broader pop culture audience beyond just die-hard comics fans who weren't interested much else. Not sure when Stan's reign ended but I imagine some of his influence was still being felt in the early to mid 80s, if only as an afterglow of his era.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 12, 2020 17:48:27 GMT -5
I think that under Stan lee's direction, Marvel always had some pretensions to reaching out to a broader pop culture audience beyond just die-hard comics fans who weren't interested much else. Not sure when Stan's reign ended but I imagine some of his influence was still being felt in the early to mid 80s, if only as an afterglow of his era. Stan's direct influence mostly ended when Roy took over the comics, though, as publisher, he did say no to some things. Once he went out to Hollywood, by the mid-70s, he had little or no involvement in the comics at all. He was busy trying to sell Marvel to Hollywood. He was notorious from not keeping up with their product and being surprised by changes in supporting casts and plots. By the Shooter era, he was pretty much in his own little world and it sounds like he did more schmoozing than administering projects for Marvel media spin-offs. That and the Spider-Man comic strip (apart from whatever ghosting of the writing was happening there). Marvel was pursuing more mainstream things from the mid-70s onward, which led to things like buying Depatie-Freleng to become Marvel Animation, to produce Marvel cartoons. That also coincides when they ramped up licensed comics, with Logan's Run and Star Wars, Man From Atlantis, Star Trek (once the Gold Key license had expired), and the toy stuff (Micronauts, Shogun Warriors and Rom, plus later things like Sectaurs). They continued through the 80s and early 90s; but pulled back, after a while. Bevis and Butthead is probably one of the last things they licensed, though I am probably forgetting something (and I'm not counting literary stuff).
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 18, 2020 15:57:42 GMT -5
Now, the story that millions of Star Trek fans were waiting for, and rationalized until Wrath of Khan gave them what they really wanted! Marvel Super Special #15, Star Trek The Motion PictureSucks to be the supporting cast! Bet Paramount wishes they hadn't made Stephen Collins central to so much imagery, in hindsight. Is it just me or does that thing start out looking and sounding like Logan's Run (Renew! Renew!) and up sounding like an ad for the new ELO album? Creative Team: Marv Wolfman-writer/editor (Suck on that, Shooter!), Dave Cockrum-pencils, Klaus Janson-inks, John Costanza-letters, Marie Severin-colors Jim Shooter & Rick Marschall-superfluous, Gene Roddenberry-taking credit for everything. Synopsis: Space, the Final Frontier. These.....are...the voyages...oftheStarshipEnterprise..................It's 5-year mission, was cut short by two years and I was forced to do bad....cameos....on other sci-fi series and ....low....budget....movies. My agent....won't....returnmycalls. Spock.....was on some...spy...show; I..COULDNT...GET...A....LOUSY.....COP SHOW!!! Okay, enough of that. Stardate: 1979.12.7....within the Klingon Empire.....about tea time.... Geez, someone took a hammer to the Klingons; their foreheads are all lumpy! On Vulcan, Spock has taken that whole Ballad of Bilbo Baggins thing too far and looks like some damn, dirty space-hippie.... He's about to achieve kolinahr; so, he's got that going for him. However, he stops the lady who talks funny from putting some big honking ugly 70s necklace on him and looks up at the sky.n She takes his thoughts....something about going In Search of...something. Earth, former United States, ex-California, city of San Francisco. The gentrification of the city, by Starfleet has continued unabated. Admiral James T Kirk rides the 23rd Century BART, and arrives at Starfleet HQ, where he runs into Commander Sonak, the dude that replaced Spock, but didn't, but is now, except not. Kirk tells him to report to him on the Enterprise, which surprises Sonak. Kirk and Scotty meet up and take a shuttle joyride to the Enterprise, since the transporters aren't working (the bulb is burnt out and they are waiting on a Red Shirt to return from K-Mart). Kirk tells Scotty that there is a ...thing...out there, 3 days from Earth (which means about where the Moon is, really) and the Enterprise is the closest ship (wait, a drydocked ship is the only ship in Earth orbit or within the solar system? Don't they have a solar Coast Guard or something?) Kirk reports aboard and tells the bridge crew that he is Al Haig and the veterans are happy and the rookies complain. Uhura tells a newbie to suck it up and go put on a red shirt. Kirk meets up with Captain Willard Decker (son of the guy that drove the Constellation into the Planet Eater thingie) and tells him it sucks to be him. He will be kept on to advise and rub it into his nose. Just then, someone tries to beam aboard and Scotty starts yelling about the console short circuiting and Kirk runs up to the transport room in time to comfort Janice Rand about the goo that materialized in the transporter, that used to be Cdr Sonak and a female crewmember. he tells Janice to see him in his quarters, later, and bring the hip boots. Kirk briefs everyone and they get a signal from a space station and the guy who was supposed to take over from Leonard Nimoy, in Phase II; but, he's human here and he and everyone are de-rezzed by the Master Control Program. Everyone on the Enterprise goes off to change their shorts. A little later, Lt Ilia, a sexy bald chick reports aboard and seems to know Decker, who didn't call her after he left. Awkward! She say's something about an oath of celibacy and Kirk turns his attention elsewhere. Later, some bearded old grouch beams aboard and starts grousing about scrambled molecules and says he's a doctor, not a collection of discombobulated particles, broken down and transmitted over a carrier wave; then, reassembled into its original biological matrix. The ship leaves drydock and Cockrum finally gets some room to show off... They go into Warp Speed and then the defecation hits the oscillator and someone turns on the slow-mo feature and takes a hit of acid. They get dumped in a wormhole, nearly collide with a rock (nice driving, Sulu!) and Decker shows up Kirk and flips him off when his back is turned. Later, Spock turns up in his own little luxury shuttle and business is about to pick up for the Geek World. He immediately fixes everything while he takes his coat off and then blows off Nurse Chapel (well, Dr Chappel or Mrs Great Bird, if you prefer). Spock is even more aloof to everyone, since he got decent parts and reviews, while they were stuck doing Fantasy Island and the cartoon. The Enterprise runs into a space cloud, because nothing is more exciting on the Big Screen than floating dust particles! Chekov gets zapped and Ilia eases his pain, though his shorts feel kind of tight. Spock sends it a message, at 78 rpm, since it wasn't hearing things at 33 1/3. It stops zapping people and Spock says he senses pure logic, no emotion and nearly orgasms. What follows is a lot of screen time of floating through clouds and Steve Ditko drawings... Another energy probe comes aboard and Ilia gets dith-in-tegrated and there is no Eager Young Space Cadet with an Acme Re-Integrator handy. The Enterprise is pulled inside some Ditko structure and Scotty canna handle it. An intruder alarm goes off and they fine the sexy chick back, but talking in a robotic voice. A Stepford Alien! She walks around in a skimpy skirt, because objectification is still alive in Roddenberry's future Utopia, which is why Marina Sirtis got a skirt and everyone else got trousers. Decker shows her around. She says V-Ger wants to meet the Creator. Spock sneaks off to go joyriding in a spacesuit and nearly gets brain-fried. kirk has to rescue him because it's in Shatner's contract. Spock wakes up and tells them V-Ger is a living machine, with no emotions and emotions are "in" this year. V-Ger starts getting uppity and Kirk threatens to blow up his ship if he doesn't get to meet V-Ger up close, to bring him the Creator. V-Ger brings them to Laputa, or some other floating island and sends out a bunch of building blocks and the crew have to climb down, only to find that V-Ger is a Voyager space probe, following its original programming to report back to Earth; but on a cliched scale (since the tv series did this plt a couple of times). They go to activate a relay and V-Ger melts it so that the Creator must talk to him, in person. decker tells Kirk to bugger off and stays with zombie Ilia to have space sex and meld in a menage-a trois with V-Ger. The Enterprise heads "Out there; thataway." Thoughts: Um.................. It's.............okaaaayyyy........ What, you didn't like it?no. no; it's good; just....not what I was expecting.... That was the basic conversation after the movie. Well, for anyone who was honest. A lot of people were trying to say it was better than Star Wars and 2001 and the tv series and whatever. A lot more were afraid to say boo, as it was new Star Trek and they wanted more. It had moments and it had a lot of "been there, done that" and a lot of stuff that didn't make much sense. Originally, Paramount was planning to launch a new Star Trek series, to anchor their new 4th Network. After negotiations that paid Shatner more money but couln't come up with enough for Nimoy, they were launching a new series, with some new characters, including a young pure Vulcan science officer, named Xon (played by David Gautreaux) and a bald alien, Ilia, played by Persis Khambatta (former Miss India). The tv network and series was squashed and they went into development of a movie, especially after Star Wars had every studio sci-fi happy. The end result was an old Star Trek story, that was dusted off to be redone for a new tv series, got another coat of paint for a movie. Then, they hired an Oscar-winning director, who had done a classic sci-fi film (one of the few really good ones), with Robert Wise and proceeded to make what I always called Star Trek, the Motionless Picture. There is a lot to like in the new film; but, the plot is nothing new to old fans (who made up a massive percentage of the audience), who had been watching re-runs for about a decade and analyzing every detail in fanzines and conventions, until they are being mocked by Shatner on SNL. The new characters had potential; but, it mostly goes unrealized. Paramount seemed squeamish about the Deltans sexual magnetism, so it is left to the oath of celibacy reference and a few drooling leers from Chekov and Sulu (Uhura seems a bit curious, too). Marvel wasn't going there, either and it was left to Starlog and the novelization to explain things. Despite terrific effects by Douglas Trumbull and his team, the film just kind of drifts along. The actors are all fine and the newbies are right there with the vets (better, in some cases). It just really lacked an exciting story to capture the attention of theater viewers. The V-Ger stuff starts cool and trippy; but quickly wears out its welcome. I've always kind of thought it wanted to be Kubrick; but Cassic Trek still had a lot of pulp sci-fi elements that balanced out the cerebral stuff, to give it some variety. It also had a sense of humor. This is serious as can be, conceptual in nature, and rather under-developed in structure. That's the film, for me. The comic? Pretty much the same experience, except greatly condensed. It always felt rather long, to me, since nothing much happens, for long stretches. It is definitely a writer's project, as Wolman packs t with dialogue and Cockrum ends up with a lot of panels of talking heads. He was a fan and had homaged Trek in both the LSH and X-Men (right down to a Shi'ar Kirk) ....but, the script (film or comic) didn't really play to his strengths or loves (though he did exercise his inner Ditko). The end result is a good adaptation that captures the film, warts and all. It doesn't really feel like a Marvel Comic, as Star Wars and Logan's Run did. It is one time where I agree with Shooter that a writer-editor is a bad idea (actually, I agree with that in a great many circumstances, though not universally). Prior to the film, Western/Gold Key had the Star Trek license and it had been a good one for them. Reruns of Trek fueled a love for Star Trek merch and the comics were relatively big sellers, since they provided new adventures). They were further aided by the Filmation cartoon, which gave us some stuff the original series couldn't do, because of budgets, though at the expense of lots of stock footage, repeated musical cues, and some bland voice acting from some of the cast (though Doohan, Nichols and Barrett all got to do other roles). With this adaptation, marvel acquired the Star Trek license and followed with a comic series, that lasted 18 issues. Marvel was hamstrung with the edict that they could only use characters and material from the film and not the classic series, which killed enthusiasm for it almost immediately (I assume because various writers would be entitled to royalties and such, and probably people like Gene Coon and DC Fontana). DC ended up with the license and started up after the vastly more popular Wrath of Khan and got much better cooperation from Paramount (unless your name was Peter David) and got to do classic Trek comics (in the movie time frames) and Next Gen stuff. It's one of the few properties where DC showed up Marvel. The special came in a couple of formats. I had the mass market paperback book version, which really didn't help the art (but, I saw it, rather than the magazine format, in stores). A few things are a bit confusing, as Marv didn't make use of alien languages, as in the series. Everything is in English, without even the little bracketts signifying a foreign language. This same problem turns up in the Blade Runner adaptation, though to greater confusion, as I will cover, later. On the whole, the special does what was intended: it captures the flavor and visuals of the film, in an age before widespread home video access (Star Wars and emerging technologies were rapidly changing that). In the old days, the only things you had to relive a viewing experience were novelizations and tie-in series, comic adaptations, and maybe film prints. Next time, Marvel does a bit more of an exciting job on a film that surpassed STTMP; at least, in terms of exciting visuals. Meanwhile, these photos on the inside cover kind of sum up the film experience, for me.... Star Trek! See them staring! And watching! The magazine is rounded out with an essay about the rise of Trek fandom, an interview with Jesco Van Puttkamer, science advisor on Trek (basically, a Trek and sci-fi fan with legit NASA creds, who worked on the Apollo Program) and a glossary, with entries like Ross, Chief: A female member of the USS Enterprise.
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Post by brutalis on Mar 18, 2020 16:36:11 GMT -5
YES! Finally a Star Trek comic book that I could actually find on the spinner rack. And while the Movie adaptation is as you say, just kind of okay and does the job of capturing the essence of the movie, it only went downhill the more I read it. Everything from Cockrum in here feels "off" in many ways. Decent enough effort in having the characters look appropriate and yet they don't quite feel proper. It may be from watching Trek so much and visually seeing the cast daily in repeats for years it may be that their motions and movements and personal quirk are so ingrained into memory recognition that the comic just doesn't supply that. Also it doesn't help that there is little to no action which limited what was there for Cockrum to draw. And Dave's Enterprise is just not as elegant and gorgeous as the movie Enterprise is up on the big screen. Don't even get me started on the monthly. DC did a superior job in every way for me.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 18, 2020 17:25:43 GMT -5
Marvel Graphic novel #48, A Sailor's Story, Book Two: Winds, Dreams and DragonsI reviewed the complete A Sailor's Story in my Make War No More! thread, upon the passing of Sam Glanzman. I wil mostly just give a summary here and some thoughts about this specific volume and events depicted in it. Creative Team: Sam Glanzman-writer & illustrator (and subject), Phil Felix-letters, Don Daley-editor. Coloring is not credited; but, is assumed to be Glanzman, since he is credited as writer and illustrator. Dedicated to Joe Kubert, who launched Sam's USS Stevens stories, at DC, of whom Sam say, "Consider yourself an honorary 'plank owner'." A "plank owner" is a member of the crew assigned when a naval vessel is commissioned, in a term that dated to sailing days, when wooden ships were built out of planks of wood. To be a plank owner is a great honor in the Navy, as it means you sailed the ship from "birth." Synopsis: The book covers from 1944 to the end of the war, as Sam serves on board the USS Stevens (DD-479). Sam begins with a depiction of the horrors of the kamikaze attacks... He continues with a depiction of the psychological toll on the crew, as they sail in harms way, fight enemy attacks, and live with both day to day fear and boredom. he next acquaints us with the"island hopping" campaigns, as the US Marines and Army carry out amphibious landings on strategic islands, while cutting off others to starve. The toll is heavy, often for rather small real estate... Japan had conquered territory to gain strategic raw materials for its war machine and industrial economy, plus to create an outer defensive ring, to keep the enemy away from the shores of the Japanese home islands. Now, the Allies were taking back those islands, to create their own bases, from which to attack the next base, and the next, inching their way towards Japan. The USS Stevens takes part in the landings at Kwajalein Atoll, then moves on to convoy duty near the Solomon Islands. Sam takes us through shipboard life, when the battle isn't raging, though enemy contact is never too far away. We see what happens, when Mail Call goes South... He shares a story of how they improvised hot plates, to make the necessary endless supply of coffee, to keep a crew going. A chief electrician is promoted to warrant officer and suddenly decides they are a fire hazard and confiscates them. That is, until the captain finds out it has interrupted his favorite coffee, made in the Sick Bay... Sam shows us the rescue of civilians, within the Marshalls, the landings at Hollandia, and Sam's promotion to Fireman First Class (Fireman is a rating, meaning a job specialty. In this case, someone who works in the fireroom, maintaining the boilers, which produce the steam to power the ship's engine turbines. His rank is Petty Officer 1st Class, meaning a more senior non-commissioned officer; one step below a Chief Petty Officer. Rate and rank are combined, Fireman First Class). The ship takes part in the Marianas landings, though they get less-than-glorifying targets. This was the sight of the infmaous "Marianas Turkey Shoot," where Japanese aircraft were destroyed in vast numbers by American pilots and anti-aircraft gunners. by this point in the war, the US had vastly superior aircraft, more seasoned pilots, and greater numbers to throw at the Japanese, who had been losing experienced pilots in greater and greater numbers. The veterans of Pearl harbor and the Japanese invasion of the South Pacific were mostly gone, leaving inexperienced younger pilots, in aging plane designs. The vaunted Zero had been surpassed by the Corsair and Hellcat, while also outgunned by the Lightning. Lest we think of this as some glorious crusade, Sam reminds us of the human cost of war... Sam shows us the Battle of Leyte Gulf, which brought an end to the Japanese Imperial Navy, in their last battleship-to-battleship, carrier-to-carrier battle. This was not Coral Sea, where the Japanese lost one carrier in exchange for sinking the USS Lexington and damaging the Yorktown, or even Midway, where there was a relative parity, though Japan lost all four of its carriers, with the USS losing the Yorktown. The US was able to build more carriers, destroyers, landing ships, planes and weapons. Sam shows us the effects of the typhoon that hit the fleet, after the battle, then a bit of humor, as we see gag cartoons of "liberty" and what happens when the "head" (toilet) is unavailable due to sanitation inspection... Never to windward side! Humor gives way, again, to reality, as the ship gets liberty in Manila, only recently liberated. The sight is not pretty. Things hadn't changed much in later years. In my midshipman days, we heard stories of Olongapo, the city outside the US Naval Base, at Subic Bay. One of my colleagues, while on summer cruise, made a port visit to Subic and was propositioned by a kid, who was acting as a pimp for his own mother. This was 1985/86; not 1945. The things people will do to survive. Sam takes us to Okinawa, where kamikaze attacks are constant, as Okinawa is in striking range of Japan. Fighting was intense, with the Japanese making the Marines pay for every inch of ground it gained. The kamikazes crippled and destroyed ships with their suicide attacks. Finally, the war ends and Sam tells us the fate of the USS Stevens, and the scars the men of the "tin cans" carried home with them... Thoughts: War comics usually came in two species: gung ho tales of American (or British, as their comics had much of the same thing) heroes who single-handedly destroy enemy attacks and save the women and children (which was the majority of them, sadly) and the more thoughtful, honest ones, that tell the human cost of war. The former tend to be done by people who didn't live it; the latter has been done by both those who were there and those that felt they needed to be true to those who were there. Sam Glanzman was there. His war comics were always filled with honest stories of war, whether semi-autobiographical (even A Sailor's Story has embellished elements) or complete fiction. Sam was the artist of Dell's outstanding Combat war comic, with both historical depictions and fictional stories. he and Will Franz created The Lonely War of Willy Schultz, a fictional soldier accused of murder, who has to hide out in the German Army. It showed the hell of war from both sides, and that soldiers on both sides weren't that different. For Joe Kubert, he did his semi-autobiographical USS Stevens stories and the fictional Haunted Tank. At Marvel, he gave us his graphic memoir and contributed historical stories of the early US Marines, for Semper Fi. Apart from a disrupted Robin Hood tale (Thief of Sherwood) this was Sam's crowning achievement (along with the first Book). For my money, A Sailor's Story is the last word in war comics and the pinnacle of the genre. The graphic novel format gave him the mechanism to tell his memories, to an audience that only knew from history books and movies (and maybe stories from fathers or grandfathers, or teachers). I was a midshipman when the first book came out. It was one of the first real glances at the Navy I had seen (apart from An Officer and a Gentleman, which is pretty honest and accurate). I devoured it. Book 2 came out when I was a serving officer, stationed in Charleston, SC. It was equally engrossing, if more melancholy. Quite frankly, this mostly marks the end of the positive aspects of the marvel Graphic Novel line, though there are a few really good ones still to come. Most will be further Marvel product, with one creator-owned work (Doug Wildey's Rio), some licensed stuff (another Roger Rabbit), some Conan and a lot of forgettable stories about Wolverine (except one) and the punisher. Welcome to the 90s!
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Post by MWGallaher on Mar 18, 2020 17:59:25 GMT -5
I do like Klaus Janson, but there are few inkers less suited for Dave Cockrum, who started off assisting Murphy Anderson, and whose pencils rightly called for a very clean and elegant finish in the Anderson vein.
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Post by berkley on Mar 18, 2020 18:26:32 GMT -5
I do like Klaus Janson, but there are few inkers less suited for Dave Cockrum, who started off assisting Murphy Anderson, and whose pencils rightly called for a very clean and elegant finish in the Anderson vein. I imagine that you're probably right that it's a question of styles and how they match up. For example, I always thought Janson made some workmanlike pencillers (e.g. Buckler on Deathlok, Sal Buscema on the Defenders) look better than they otherwise would have done, but made some great but very individual pencillers (e.g. Gene Colan on HtD) look much worse than their best.
OTOH, I do recall liking a Colan/Janson art job on one of Marv Wolfman's Daredevil issues but that was some time before their Howard work so it might have been a matter of Janson's style having changed in the meantime.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 26, 2020 21:28:14 GMT -5
Marvel Super Special #16Is that a cover or what? Creative Team: Archie Goodwin-writer/Editor, god among men; Al Williamson and Carlos Garzon-art, Rick Veitch (year, as in Rorin' Rick)-letters, Glynis Wein-colors Based on some film, with script by Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan, with George Lucas kibbitzing and retroactively claiming he had this all mapped out. Synopsis: Archie pares the title crawl down to the essence of things... Luke Skywalker is out riding his snow kangaroo, freezing his Death Stars off, when he spots a meteor land. he radios new old buddy Han Solo that he is going to check it out. He then gets smooshed by a refugee from a Rankin_Bass special. A sinister looking droid (way more than in the movie) rises out of the creator and goes to find Dr Zin's spider robot, to get an autograph. Han Solo arrives back at base, where Chewie is doing all of the work and getting substandard wages. he bellows at Han to get his hairless butt up there and give him a hand. He goes and reports in, then banters with Leia, who says she would rather kiss a wookie and Chewie's day looks like it might improve. They just miss seeing a yeti bust through a wall... Luke is just hangin' around, noting to do but frown, rainy days and ice planets always get him down. He TKs his lightsaber and cuts himself loose from the ice gravity boots and then cuts himself a slice of yeti. he then stumbles off into a snowstorm. Threepio bitches at Artoo, since he is Drama Queen of the Galaxy. He tells Han that Luke hasn't reported in. Han harangues a real soldier, who says I don't take orders from you, Mr Disposable Cup. Han goes hunting for Luke, who is playing in the snow and sees Ben Kenobi, with a new hair piece. Ben says he must go to the Dagobah System. Well, sounds better than the Nutrisystem. Han finds Luke, just as his snow kangaroo dies and uses Luke's saber to clean it out and stuff Luke into it, while he builds a pup tent. He then says something about them smelling bad on the outside, though Han hasn't changed his clothes in 3 years. Artoo uses a mini-radar and finds nothing and Leia locks them out of the house. The next morning, the rebels locate them, with a snow speeder, flown by Edwina Monsoon's gay ex-husband (that's for you Ab-Fab fans). They bring Luke home and give him a bath and then Artoo spots a yeti and the Rebels shoot him and his litter-mates. The rebels spot a signal and send out a team to investigate. The spider robot is IDed as an Imperial Probe Droid and Han blasts it. the Rebels change their shorts. Meanwhile, up in space, the baddest dude in the Galaxy is about to make an entrance... It's total brown trouser time on Hoth and the rebels search for a heated latrine. Threepio and Artoo taunt some caged wampas, then go find the others. Luke's post-Corvette face is revealed and then he and Leia suck face, since they aren't siblings or anything. Han shows up and Leia says something about him collecting foam footballs and then kisses Luke aain. The Imperial fleet moves out of hyperspace and finds an energy shield around their target ad Vader administers a reverse Heimlich to Admiral Ozzel. Captain Piet is now in charge, by gum. 'Bout time a Yorkshireman got command! Leia briefs Rebel pilots and tells them they are cannon fodder so that the headquarters unit can get the steaks and beer loaded on a transport and di-di mau back further into the rear echelon. She flips Han the bird and heads off. The Rebels fire a big stun gun and send off a transport, loaded with Leia's haircare and braiding products. Luke joins the other pilots in snow speeders to go joyriding. He tells his red Shirt to strap in. Julian"No relation to Crispin" Glover leads the universe's worst combat vehicle design towards the shield generator, at a slow ponderous walk, rather than sending TIE fighters in to strafe it from the air. The Rebels fire their .50 cals at them and then run like little girls. the snow speeders ignore the obvious target and fire at the armored hides, until Luke tells them what to do. Wasn't he a farm boy last week? Luke's incredible flying skills get his tailgunner killed. Han corrals Leia and tells her to beat feet, as Luek tels Wedge to use a big tripline on the Walkers. They then blast the downed walker, that is suddenly not armored and blows up. Julian Glover destroys the generator, then considers adopting an American accent for his next role. Marvel interrupts us to advertise Bizarre Adventures and some chick in a snow bikini. Luke crashes his speeder. He gets his lightsaber and a harpoon gun and slices open the belly of a walker and destroys it with one little hand grenade. Han gets Leia on the Falcon and they take off before dart Vader can get there. Han plays chicken with Star Destroyers, while Luke tries to read a map to find Dagobah, while balancing a Big Gulp and a donut. Artoo complains because he wouldn't stop at a Stuckeys and get a pecan log roll. Han leads TIE fighters into an asteroid field and Adm Piett reports to Darth "I need some Bactine" Vader... Han finds a cave to hide in, while Luke lands in Louisiana and meets up with Grover. Han molests Leia and she likes it (pre-MeToo) and then they discover they are hiding inside a big mouth and it aint Martha Rae. Vader Face Times with Clive Revel and Luke figures out that grover is actually the Jedi master, Yoda. Yoda throws bars for Luke to slice up... then makes him go on long runs through the jungle ("Runnin' through the jungle with my M-16; I'm a mean nerfherder, I'm from Tatooine!") They then mess around with mushrooms.... Yoda pulls Luke's ship out of the bayou and makes some etouffee. Darth Vader briefs some bounty hunters and Boba Fett shows who is the second baddest man in the galaxy, without actually doing anything. You know, he never really does much in his two appearances. Han goes on a chicken run and the Falcon disappears from their view, because he latched onto the hull, which has no sensors to detect the change in mass or CCTV cameras to search for hull damage, or anyone on the other side hear a big clang as it latches on. The Imps dump their garbage (thing of space ecology, man!) and te Falcon floats off with it, followed by Elephant Head-1. Han goes to Bespin to find an old buddy. At Bespin, Han comes in to land on the floating prison above the Imperial homeworld of Alderaan....wait, that was the earlier draft of Star wars. Flash Gordon lands on the floating city of the Hawkmen.....the Falcon lands on Cloud City. Billy Dee Williams greets him and tosses him some malt liquor. Threepio lags behind and gets blasted (see what happens when you dawdle, kids?) Luke fights Vader in a tree cave, but its himself, 'cause he could become like Vader. Han and Leia go to diner and are seated next to the guy with asthma. Luke has a bad dream and leaves Yoda. Han gets waterboarded. Billy dee tells the bald guy from those two Avengers episodes and Flash gordon that the deal keeps getting worse. Han tells of Billy Dee, then Vader turns him into a popsicle. Leia tells Han she loves him and he acts all cool. Chewie howls. Luke lands, gets herded to the freezing room and throws down with Darth Vader. Billy Dee doublecrosses the Imps and nearly gets choked out by Chewie. They head for the Falcon. Luke and Vader have a Tosche Station Death Match and Luke loses a hand. Maury Povich turns up and says Vader is Luke's father. Luke jumps and ends up on a weather vane. Boba Fett flies off with Han, Leia and Billy Dee take the Falcon, rescue Luke and escape Vader. Luke sees Rudy Wells and gets a bionic hand and Billy Dee borrows a change of clothes from han's locker and he and Chewie head off to spend three years trying to catch up with Han. Marvel craps itself because the best character is taken off the table. Marvel makes a lot of posters of this image... Thoughts: Fantastic adaptation of the movie, with some bonuses that show the value of a comic adaptation for movies that delete lots of scenes. The adaptation was based on the screenplay and includes many of the deleted scenes and subplots, including the wamp ice creatures getting inside the Rebel base, them getting loose and kicking stormtrooper butt, some more of Luke's training, and Luke getting his bacta bath. Archie Goodwin is the best Star Wars writer, of all time. No qualifying; he just is. He understood what to do with the property and wrote far better adventures than anyone at Lucasfilm, Marvel or any of the prose hired guns. Archie knows this kind of stuff inside out and he made the Star Wars comics hits, both at Marvel and in newspapers. He fleshed out characters, gave them cool new villains and gave us better characters (Valance) than Lucas. He also knows how to do an adaptation, as he had done one of the best ever, the Alien adaptation, for Heavy Metal (with old partner Walt Simonson). This time, Marvel is able to use the likenesses and Williamson and Garzon (Garzon did a lot of the heavy lifting on their Star Wars collaborations) make them look like the actors, which really helps this come alive. They provide the visual excitement of the battles and the chases, capture the emotions of the quiet moments and add little extra touches. They do get Yoda a bit wrong in scale, probably based on conceptual designs, as he looks more like those drawings that the Muppet. I had the paperback book version of this, though later scored the Treasury Edition, which is the best way to view the art. This film is where George Lucas created a saga. Star Wars was always a standalone film, with no real story to continue. Vader surviving was a last minute decision. The writing of the script for Empire changed everything. Leigh Brackett, author of dozens of planetary romance novels, the scripts for The Maltese Falcon and Rio Bravo, wrote the first draft. It features Luke's father and Darth Vader as separate characters. The father appears to Luke on dagobah. Lucas didn't like the first draft; but, despite his claims, the bulk of the plot is there. Brackett was suffering from cancer and was pretty much dying and did the one draft. Lucas brought on Lawrence Kasdan, who had done the Raiders script. Together, they worked on the second draft and tried to sort out some narrative problems. they hit upon the idea to combine Luke's father with Vader and shift some of the father's Dagobah stuff to Ben Kenobi and they were off to the races. That was the point where Darth Vader became the center of the saga, after just being conceived as a henchman in Star Wars. Eeything stems from that one decision, then Lucas spent the next 40 years trying to retrofit that into Star Wars. Remember kids, Han didn't shoot first; he shot only!
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Post by rberman on Mar 26, 2020 22:19:50 GMT -5
The scene with the wampa hand inside the rebel base is the relic of a subplot that didn't make the final edit, with wampas attacking the rebel base during the freezing night while Luke is captive in the cave. The only relic of this in the final cut is a scene with Han and Leia arguing in a hallway which has blaster holes in the walls and a mess of overturned crates in the background.
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