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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 25, 2018 11:13:13 GMT -5
Why not, they have members with no powers at all. Aquaman certainly deserves his place at the table more than Green Arrow, who doesn't even have Batman's intellect going for him. His only disadvantage is his "one-hour-out-of-water" weakness, which should've been eliminated decades ago as unnecessary.
Cei-U! I summon the membership roster!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 13:11:37 GMT -5
I'm very disappointed in Filmation approach in AquamanThe team is made up of Superman, Atom, Hawkman, Green Lantern, and Flash. Although Aquaman is a prominent part of the Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure and even appears in the Justice League of America theme song, he never appears in any of the three episodes listed below. Well, this is not a problem with "Filmation's approach to Aquaman", as the JLA segments were the middle act of the characters half of The Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure (CBS, 1967-68). He was only in the JLA title sequence, but viewers were not at a loss, since those three JLA segments were not very significant to the presentation of the character. The main Aquaman series (that beccbear67 refers to) is the real Filmation treatment of the character, where he was the strong, oft-mentioned "King of the Seven Seas", and until the so-called "Timmverse" version appearing in the 90s Superman - the Animated Series, Filmation's was the best adapted representation of the character....yes, that's skipping over the nightmare that was a part of the Super Friends from 1973-86. I understand what you are staying ... what bothers me is when you said this (in red) a lot. Seriously, I have a hard time buying it; and what you said is not very significant irks me. Please understand that and the title of the Cartoon -- The Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure -- they are giving Superman the Royal Treatment and not to Aquaman and for me the viewer back then it's bothers me a lot and the JLA team back then was Hawkman, Atom, Flash, Green Lantern, and Superman. They all receive equal air time and not one second except in the Introduction that Aquaman ever mentioned here. It's still bothers me and to me it is a very big deal that he wasn't included at all. Please understand that.
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Post by tarkintino on Nov 25, 2018 19:09:52 GMT -5
I understand what you are staying ... what bothers me is when you said this (in red) a lot. Seriously, I have a hard time buying it; and what you said is not very significant irks me. Please understand that and the title of the Cartoon -- The Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure -- they are giving Superman the Royal Treatment and not to Aquaman and for me the viewer back then it's bothers me a lot and the JLA team back then was Hawkman, Atom, Flash, Green Lantern, and Superman. They all receive equal air time and not one second except in the Introduction that Aquaman ever mentioned here Aquaman was given the "royal treatment" with his own half hour, along with the guest spots. Whether it was budgetary constraints or the fact that Aquaman was already the star of his half of the hour which prevented Filmation from adding him to the JLA, the point remains that he did have his own series at a time when the guest stars--Flash, Green Lantern, Atom, Hawkman, the Teen Titans and the JLA--did not. It meant Aquaman was popular or respected enough to be the second half of the hour, and in the fall of 1968, as The Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure transitioned into The Batman/Superman Hour, Aquaman was granted his own half-hour series on CBS, instead of produced episodes just sold to syndication. He would not see that kind of individual attention until the WB Justice League cartoon in this century, so I would say as an adapted superhero, Aquaman of the 1960s was treated like an "A-List" character.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 20:42:59 GMT -5
I understand what you are staying ... what bothers me is when you said this (in red) a lot. Seriously, I have a hard time buying it; and what you said is not very significant irks me. Please understand that and the title of the Cartoon -- The Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure -- they are giving Superman the Royal Treatment and not to Aquaman and for me the viewer back then it's bothers me a lot and the JLA team back then was Hawkman, Atom, Flash, Green Lantern, and Superman. They all receive equal air time and not one second except in the Introduction that Aquaman ever mentioned here Aquaman was given the "royal treatment" with his own half hour, along with the guest spots. Whether it was budgetary constraints or the fact that Aquaman was already the star of his half of the hour which prevented Filmation from adding him to the JLA, the point remains that he did have his own series at a time when the guest stars--Flash, Green Lantern, Atom, Hawkman, the Teen Titans and the JLA--did not. It meant Aquaman was popular or respected enough to be the second half of the hour, and in the fall of 1968, as The Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure transitioned into The Batman/Superman Hour, Aquaman was granted his own half-hour series on CBS, instead of produced episodes just sold to syndication. He would not see that kind of individual attention until the WB Justice League cartoon in this century, so I would say as an adapted superhero, Aquaman of the 1960s was treated like an "A-List" character. I understand what you are saying here. Lets me explain to you ... please answer this question; Superman is in all the three JLA Cartoons with every member getting equal air time and all that -- Why Aquaman is not included here?
It's still bothers me ...
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Post by rberman on Nov 25, 2018 20:47:27 GMT -5
Aquaman was given the "royal treatment" with his own half hour, along with the guest spots. Whether it was budgetary constraints or the fact that Aquaman was already the star of his half of the hour which prevented Filmation from adding him to the JLA, the point remains that he did have his own series at a time when the guest stars--Flash, Green Lantern, Atom, Hawkman, the Teen Titans and the JLA--did not. It meant Aquaman was popular or respected enough to be the second half of the hour, and in the fall of 1968, as The Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure transitioned into The Batman/Superman Hour, Aquaman was granted his own half-hour series on CBS, instead of produced episodes just sold to syndication. He would not see that kind of individual attention until the WB Justice League cartoon in this century, so I would say as an adapted superhero, Aquaman of the 1960s was treated like an "A-List" character. I understand what you are saying here. Lets me explain to you ... please answer this question; Superman is in all the three JLA Cartoons with every member getting equal air time and all that -- Why Aquaman is not included here?
It's still bothers me ... Probably because the cartoon writers thought only of Aquaman's power to talk to fish rather than strength etc., so they had trouble thinking of scenarios in which his fish-talking power would be useful, so they avoided using him much.
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Post by tarkintino on Nov 25, 2018 22:46:04 GMT -5
Lets me explain to you ... please answer this question; Superman is in all the three JLA Cartoons with every member getting equal air time and all that -- Why Aquaman is not included here?
It's still bothers me ... Superman was Filmation's first adapted character, and at the time, the most popular. From the book Lou Scheimer: Creating the Filmation Generation: "As for the impact the show had on us, simply put, it made us. And it made CBS a big winner! The New Adventures of Superman premiered on September 10, 1966, at 11:00 a.m. We were up against The New Casper Cartoon Show on ABC and Cool McCool on NBC. We slaughtered them, There was nobody even close to our ratings for Superman."
So, Superman being the runaway success instantly made him the anchor of the joined series to follow, hence his appearances in the JLA cartoon. But again, there were only three JLA shorts. That's not much better than a cameo to promote the guest stars, so one can imagine Filmation still believed they needed an anchor as popular as Superman to guarantee audiences would not skip the guest segments. Aquaman, though successful by having his own series, was not the jewel in DC's animated crown to serve that purpose.
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Post by brutalis on Nov 26, 2018 7:48:03 GMT -5
KING OF THE FREAKING SEVEN SEAS and over 70'% of Earth is ocean! Nuff Said. And nobody asks if that alien putz from Krypton deserves a seat or if Batman only bought his spot?
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 27, 2018 14:01:41 GMT -5
Absolutely he's worthy of the league. About 75% of the earth is covered with ocean, and that's his domain. He's certainly more powerful than several other Justice League members. He hasn't always been written well, of course, as it's tough to make him as useful in a land adventure, though even then he should have super strength, at a minimum. The one hour time limit for him to be out of water was incredibly stupid and limiting, though. It didn't even make sense. It was exactly one hour, regardless if he's in the desert or in a humid environment.
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 27, 2018 14:06:10 GMT -5
I'm very disappointed in Filmation approach in AquamanThe team is made up of Superman, Atom, Hawkman, Green Lantern, and Flash. Although Aquaman is a prominent part of the Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure and even appears in the Justice League of America theme song, he never appears in any of the three episodes listed below. Between Two Armies Target Earth Bad Day on Black MountainI was thinking about this for some time here and I felt that the Superman Aquaman Hour of Adventure should had Aquaman in these adventures listed below -- one of them should had been Bad Day on Black Mountain, and possibly Between Two Armies, and not Target Earth because of the invasion angle. I'm a bit sad that they showcases Aquaman in the JLA Intro Clip and not in the Cartoons. To me, that is being disrespectful to that character alone -- Aquaman. When, Super Friends and JLA Animated Series ... came around Aquaman got more and more respected and to me, you need a superhero that patrols 71% of the Earth's Surface and that's why he did not get the respect in the Filmation Series. Back then, he was a nobody and it's took a long time for him to gain respect and that's something worth noting for. I just find him an asset a character that's has an unique ability to swim underwater and communicate the oceans denizens. I've never seen those Filmation episodes, unfortunately, though I've seen a couple of Teen Titans episodes with Aqualad. As far as Aquaman in the Super Friends, I thought they did a very good job with him in season 1, but not as good subsequent seasons. At that point, they sadly seemed to reduce him to "the guy who talks to fish" to paraphrase some comedian.
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Post by String on Nov 30, 2018 11:43:49 GMT -5
Well despite Namor being portrayed as a loner anti-hero he sure has been on a lot of teams. All-Winners Squad. The Invaders. The Defenders. The Avengers. X-Men. So IMO Aquaman has been portrayed as more friendly than Namor so he definitely should be on the JLA. All-Winners Squad and Invaders, I can see, the whole world was engulfed by war including Atlantis. I don't count the Defenders since they're always labeled as a 'non-team' (which is why I never consider Silver Surfer as being part of any team). Yes, Namor has been part of the Avengers and the X-Men but never to the extent that Arthur has always been associated with the JLA (unless Namor had some hand in the founding of either team of which I am not aware) A fair point that the size of Arthur's kingdom and his own prodigious abilities allow him a right to a seat at the table but for me, only in a tangential way. If a global threat ensues, then yes I can see his participation, same with any threats to or from the undersea which would call for his involvement but if the League heads to Apokolips to fight Darkseid, then no. The situation(s) should call for his involvement and relieve the pressure writers may feel in finding some way, any way to include him just because of his prior associations and history.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 14:22:10 GMT -5
Some posters here have talked about the oceans being 70% of the globe. That's a good reason, in itself, to include him in the JLA.
He is a heavy hitter. If I were assembling a JL incarnation, he'd be on there. Yes, in a way, he is a "specialist". But don't we need specialists in super teams? Or anywhere?
Imagine you were setting up a hospital that you wanted to be the best. You'd want a heart surgeon, emergency doctor, neurosurgeon, etc. Now, some may, to use the neurosurgeon as an example, say something like, "But he only operates on brains!" That is true, but that's a skill you want on your team. Obviously, it means you can't put the neurosurgeon to work on someone's heart problem. Or on someone's veins/arteries. But he can certainly do some stellar work on someone's brain!
And it's not just about being a specialist, either. That neurosurgeon, to continue the example, will have other skills. Away from neurosurgery, he will no doubt help if someone collapses in the streets. He'll know CPR. He'll be able to treat someone until a paramedic arrives. During such a scenario, the "He can only operate on brains!" crowd will realise that he's an asset in many scenarios.
So, yes, Aquaman is a specialist. He's more of a specialist than a generalist, I guess. But he, like any good JLA member, is multi-faceted. And as a heavy hitter, I believe he belongs in the JLA.
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Post by chadwilliam on Dec 1, 2018 0:38:44 GMT -5
Though I think Aquaman was great, that whole "he commands the oceans and the oceans take up 70% of the world" never convinced me of anything. Is there really that much crime in the ocean? It's like saying "Flash might look after Central City, but Desert Man is in charge of all the world's deserts!"
He's from Atlantis, can breathe underwater, can communicate with sea life, and could throw a shark at you - that's good enough for me. That "70% of the world is water" thing just sounds desperate to me as if the person saying it says it while thinking "please don't examine that statement too closely, please don't examine that statement too closely, please don't..."
Besides, as Jerry Seinfeld put it, why does there need to be anyone on the team besides Superman? What can the others do that he can't? So if Aquaman is surplus to requirements, then so is everyone else on the team not named Superman.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 1, 2018 4:07:10 GMT -5
Though I think Aquaman was great, that whole "he commands the oceans and the oceans take up 70% of the world" never convinced me of anything. Is there really that much crime in the ocean? I think it's a facet of superhero universes that there is a lot more random crime in general. Certainly early Silver Age Aquaman - before he regularly dealt with Atlantis and his stories became more political and fantasy based - never had trouble finding smugglers for Topo to shoot with a bow and arrow and dastardly supervillains like the Human Flying Fish. I kind of see what you're saying, though - There's not much going on in the middle of the Atlantic. Buuut I really liked how the Wolfman/Perez Titans were all specialists in their own areas of expertise (technology, sci-fi, horror/magic, comedy, detective etc.) and they all provided unique story hooks. Aquaman does the same thing for the JLA, and I like that a lot. If you don't want 70% of the world's surface how about "human civilization tends to cluster around oceans, lakes, and rivers. It's good to have a guy who's specialty is oceans, lakes, and rivers!"
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Post by tarkintino on Dec 1, 2018 5:46:58 GMT -5
I kind of see what you're saying, though - There's not much going on in the middle of the Atlantic. Buuut I really liked how the Wolfman/Perez Titans were all specialists in their own areas of expertise (technology, sci-fi, horror/magic, comedy, detective etc.) and they all provided unique story hooks. Aquaman does the same thing for the JLA, and I like that a lot. If you don't want 70% of the world's surface how about "human civilization tends to cluster around oceans, lakes, and rivers. It's good to have a guy who's specialty is oceans, lakes, and rivers!" very strong point about specialists in the Wolfman/Perez Titans. That certainly applies to Aquaman and the Justice League.
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Post by zaku on Dec 1, 2018 7:19:26 GMT -5
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